Oh critical, I was talking about spammers. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. It's much harder and dangerous to play with a Sindel spammer than a Noob Saibot's. I actually find Noob Saibot an extremely hard character to master to his full capabilities. I have played with amazing Noob Saibots players that really gave me a fight and they knew combos and his fantastic corner combos all along.
To be fair in a thread discussing balance. You should be only focusing on high caliber players. You NEVER MAKE PATCHES/FIXES at the noob level. Because things that need "Fixing" at noob level are capable of being overcome through practice. So that shouldn't have been brought up anyway if that was the case.
The thing is, with Nightwolf, Noob Saibot became a much easier match-up for me, since again, Noob Saibot doesn't even have that much of a good air combat and you can jump over most of his oil clones and most Nightwolf's enhanced moves can easily overcome Noob Saibot's zoning
I can't deny that perhaps Nightwolf has increased your success only you know that. But to say he doesn't have good air combat?
-Anti air Shadow up knee
-Anti air teleport
Teleport:
-Can combo off his jump punch(When both people collide in mid air at the same time)
-Can combo off of jump kick(Same as punch)
Univerals:
Nuetral jump punch
Nuetral Jump kick
Forward/Back kick/punch
Uppercut(upnkee is better, but uppercut is still an option)
Even his SHADOW CHARGE can anti air. you just have to not be predictable. It can't hit them at full peak. but it can hit them on rise/fall. Can't tell you how many times I can catch people's feet with the shadow's head, and knocked them out of the sky.
He may not have a jumping Projectile like kitana/sindel. But his clone has such a huge hitbox.... If he had a tool similar to kitana's fans.... well My good sir Noob would be OP.
(enhanced shoulder kills Noob Saibot everytime, it doesn't matter how many clones he sends at you)
It does matter... you said enhanced... you won't have enhanced every second of the game if you are burning them for EVERY single shadow. Infact most people have a ENHANCED move that gets them through noob's zoning. It's your get out of zone free card that you get a few times a match. But Noob saibot can call you out on this and make you waste meter. What if I threw a clone. You blocked... decided i'll now enhanced shoulder charge his next shadow... but come to find out I uppercut you out of it. And don't say you can't. Because I uppercut nightwolfs out of their enhanced shoulder charge all the time.
I know I said noob's EX charge can beat nightwolf's reflect(Which does work.. it just doesn't send it back at noob. the shadow runs into the background) So you might say... well you can only do that a few times too.
It's not so much the EX charge that will help noob. It's the fear you experience as nightwolf to not take that free damage. So when you see noob with a bar.... you will be a little weary of his enhanced clone. And because of this... noob will be able to use more normals through conditioning.
plus I can easily punish a failed teleport with a near meterless 30% combo. Nightwolf destroys Noob Saibot in close combat. Sindel however I find very hard to get close and catch that little stupid *****. But this is from a Nightwolf player point of view of course, I am not at all criticizing Noob Saibot's potential, I am just talking about what I have been finding online...
Everyone destroys Noob in close combat.
Exactly Sindel has a decent upclose game, which is why Noob is the better Zoner if he's having somewhat equal success if not better than sindel is. Using a specific character is unfair anyways to show "Who's the best zoner"
As I said. I play Jade. I can walk through all of sindels projectiles Enhanced or not. I cannot walk through all of noobs when he has EX available. Because of this Noob can Zone me STILL to some degree. Sindel might as well brush up on her up close game while fighting my jade.
See how I used 1 character to prove you wrong? you have to discuss the entire cast if you want to do this.
