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Critical, you're confusing the utility of multi-tasking with the utility of video games, as if video games are the only way people can improve their multitasking skills. You're good at your job because you work hard, not because you play video games. Might they help you keep your multitasking skills sharp? Sure.

This is what I hate about making statements that are somewhat unpopular. If I say, "Video games aren't particularly productive to society as a whole" or something to that effect, invariably someone will think that means "OMG VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD! NOBODY SHOULD PLAY THEM" or at the very least, act like I'm putting their hobby under attack. I'm not.
 
Critical, you're confusing the utility of multi-tasking with the utility of video games, as if video games are the only way people can improve their multitasking skills. You're good at your job because you work hard, not because you play video games. Might they help you keep your multitasking skills sharp? Sure.

This is what I hate about making statements that are somewhat unpopular. If I say, "Video games aren't particularly productive to society as a whole" or something to that effect, invariably someone will think that means "OMG VIDEO GAMES ARE BAD! NOBODY SHOULD PLAY THEM" or at the very least, act like I'm putting their hobby under attack. I'm not.

no but it's a tool that does improve it. Because to be competitive I "MUST" do it. I don't "MUST" multitask in real life.

I didn't play competitively to improve my multitasking abilities. But it happened.

just as you said with sports.

your confusing excersize with sports, if i'm confusing multitasking with competitive video games.

You can excersize w/o sports right?

Just like I can multitask without video games.

But they both are tools to make enhancing it, more effective.

it just so happens that playing sports helps health.

it just so happens that playing competitively helps me multitask.
 
no but it's a tool that does improve it. Because to be competitive I "MUST" do it. I don't "MUST" multitask in real life.

I didn't play competitively to improve my multitasking abilities. But it happened.

just as you said with sports.

your confusing excersize with sports, if i'm confusing multitasking with competitive video games.

You can excersize w/o sports right?

Just like I can multitask without video games.

But they both are tools to make enhancing it, more effective.

it just so happens that playing sports helps health.

it just so happens that playing competitively helps me multitask.

This does nothing for the point at hand.

You're fixed on this sports thing, dude. I'm not solely comparing video games to sports. I think there's an entire, long list of things that are more worth doing with your life than competitive gaming hence why I think having an attitude about it is absolutely weak. You denounced that attitude in your OP. I'm agreeing with you. I'm just telling you why I do. Is there something hard to understand about that? Or are you mad because I've said your hobby is fairly irrelevant to the world at large? Rather than acknowledging that 'Gee, I guess there are plenty of more important things I could be doing', you're getting defensive and saying 'Well, it helps me with ___." I'm not saying you shouldn't be playing in the first place.

This is exactly what I mean about people taking what I'm saying out of context.
 
This does nothing for the point at hand.

You're fixed on this sports thing, dude. I'm not solely comparing video games to sports. I think there's an entire, long list of things that are more worth doing with your life than competitive gaming hence why I think having an attitude about it is absolutely weak. You denounced that attitude in your OP. I'm agreeing with you. I'm just telling you why I do. Is there something hard to understand about that? Or are you mad because I've said your hobby is fairly irrelevant to the world at large? Rather than acknowledging that 'Gee, I guess there are plenty of more important things I could be doing', you're getting defensive and saying 'Well, it helps me with ___." I'm not saying you shouldn't be playing in the first place.

This is exactly what I mean about people taking what I'm saying out of context.

lol I was just making a point about the sports thing lol. And I'm not mad don't know where you're getting this from. as I even compliment your points in my posts...?

Because I didn't agree with it. I'm not stuck on sports. That was the only thing I disagreed with was about it being better than video games.

both sports and video games = entertainment for players/viewers. People can earn money off of it. people sponsor both. Both have positive effects and negative effects.

I just didn't see how they are THAT much different for sports to be > games.

I'm not arguing that video games are a 100% useful tool in life like I said earlier in my post about the bragging. Brag to me when you help society. not because you play video games good. Those multitasking goods serve no purpose if you don't put them to good use outside of gaming.

I'm only pointing out that one part about sports because that was the ONLY thing I disagreed with. They are on the same level in my opinion. And I've done both competitive gaming and I played football all of high school and middle school. and I understand how they work and the business behind them.
 
I was concerned that you might be mad, not saying necessarily that you are. Just making sure.

I guess that you will have to come to terms with that in my book, I don't equate video games with sports. I don't think they should be, because they aren't the same. People have bad attitudes in sports too, and I think that's a shame, because even compared to sports, there are more important things they could be doing, so their bragging means shit to me. To use the example of football, it's like that pro player who always talks trash, brags about his record, and how much his yearly salary is, when he hasn't done a single thing for planet Earth and has lived off of peoples' fascination with football, including having a school give him a scholarship.

So, in my opinion, there's a heirarchy. None of us should have an attitude over something really; it's rude and crass. But if you're going to have an attitude over something, it shouldn't be competitive gaming, sports, or anything equally pointless. But then again, the people who aren't doing something pointless--like playing in the sandbox, riding in the back of an ambulance saving lives, doing scientific research, building things we need--usually don't have that attitude. So I wonder if it's a defense mechanism for when people realize that they're useless ****s and feel like they need to compensate.
 
You can make WAY more money in professional sports than professional gaming for one thing. Colleges offer scholarships for sports and benefits as well. Sports will also keep you healthier than playing video games, and in sports you have to be multi-tasking constantly(Thinking about where to dribble, dribbling, keeping your eyes on the court, keeping the clock in your mind, memorizing plays etc.). In a social aspect let's face it, you are more likely to pick up a girl saying "I play in the NFL" than "I play in e-sports"(Not saying competitive gamers cant have a girlfriend, just that saying you play games professionally wont impress too many women). Not to me ntion most competitive gamers have normal jobs. Being a professional athlete is a full time job, while gaming is not(unless you are sponsored or something, but that is about as rare as being a pro sports player).

The only bonus to video games is you dont usually get injured playing them.

Edit: If we are talking about how they help society, neither playing video games nor being an athlete actually helps society(other than providing entertainment).

I love competitive gaming as much as the next person, but sports will always be a better route than competitive gaming, for all those reasons above or simply because you will always make more money playing professional sports.
 
I was concerned that you might be mad, not saying necessarily that you are. Just making sure.

I guess that you will have to come to terms with that in my book, I don't equate video games with sports. I don't think they should be, because they aren't the same. People have bad attitudes in sports too, and I think that's a shame, because even compared to sports, there are more important things they could be doing, so their bragging means shit to me. To use the example of football, it's like that pro player who always talks trash, brags about his record, and how much his yearly salary is, when he hasn't done a single thing for planet Earth and has lived off of peoples' fascination with football, including having a school give him a scholarship.

So, in my opinion, there's a heirarchy. None of us should have an attitude over something really; it's rude and crass. But if you're going to have an attitude over something, it shouldn't be competitive gaming, sports, or anything equally pointless. But then again, the people who aren't doing something pointless--like playing in the sandbox, riding in the back of an ambulance saving lives, doing scientific research, building things we need--usually don't have that attitude. So I wonder if it's a defense mechanism for when people realize that they're useless ****s and feel like they need to compensate.

oh wow I feel like I was arguing for no reason lol.

I thought you were telling me Sports were > Video games in essence of being productive to society (Why I was confused about the indy cars/health examples). But this post shows your views a lot easier for me to understand apparently.

AS you clearly just stated you also agree that sports holds about as much value to society as video games do. I wasn't trying to compare video games to Sports. I was comparing video games usefulness to life, compared to sports usefulness to life. I felt they were somewhat equal is all. Near useless in helping society.
You can make WAY more money in professional sports than professional gaming for one thing. Colleges offer scholarships for sports and benefits as well. Sports will also keep you healthier than playing video games, and in sports you have to be multi-tasking constantly(Thinking about where to dribble, dribbling, keeping your eyes on the court, keeping the clock in your mind, memorizing plays etc.). In a social aspect let's face it, you are more likely to pick up a girl saying "I play in the NFL" than "I play in e-sports"(Not saying competitive gamers cant have a girlfriend, just that saying you play games professionally wont impress too many women). Not to me ntion most competitive gamers have normal jobs. Being a professional athlete is a full time job, while gaming is not(unless you are sponsored or something, but that is about as rare as being a pro sports player).

The only bonus to video games is you dont usually get injured playing them.

Edit: If we are talking about how they help society, neither playing video games nor being an athlete actually helps society(other than providing entertainment).

I love competitive gaming as much as the next person, but sports will always be a better route than competitive gaming, for all those reasons above or simply because you will always make more money playing professional sports.

That's a bit unfair as sports have been around since greek times and if not even further back. video games are something that is only like 30 years old. It's growing rather fast for something that's only 30 years old vs something that has been around for thousands of years.

Who's to say e-sports wont eventually rake in more money?

You are not multitasking in basketball the same way you multitask your brain in say Starcraft.

Sports is more physical. hand eye coordination. peripherals, muscle contractions in relevance to depth perception.

I bet you a pro basketball player will never multitask as good as SC2 pro, or think ahead as much as a chess pro.

running while, rubbing my tummy, while talking, while listening to music while that's considered multitasking. That's all different motors of your physical body.

I was talking about how My brain can literally think about 5 different things happening at once and keep track of all of them.

More in relation to solving a math problem(in your head), while debating outloud with your roomate, while reading a book. (This is much more difficult, than running while dribbling and keeping a good sense on where your teamates are.)



Anyways guys this is derailing the thread lets get back to the issue at hand.

I'm guilty of watching fighting game drama as well as SC2 drama. but I don't necessarily like it. but it did draw my attention.

Naniwa is a Pro SC2 player recently banned for not playing out his match on live television. He wanted to forfeit they told him he can't so he did worker rush.

and now he's banned from the GSL.
 
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(Fomula 1 is not Indy! Aggghh! :laugh: /headexplodes That's like saying the real olympics are the Special Olympics)

Yeah, see what I mean? I think sports have some benefits in general that video games do not, but I think they fall under the same category as not being worth bragging about like people do. There are plenty of other things people could be doing that are more useful. Even my own hobbies, for the most part, aren't that useful. I just see them as having more value to me personally because I feel like for the most part, video games--while entertaining and fun--do not add to my life as much as those other hobbies.
 
Not to me ntion most competitive gamers have normal jobs. Being a professional athlete is a full time job, while gaming is not(unless you are sponsored or something, but that is about as rare as being a pro sports player)


I love competitive gaming as much as the next person, but sports will always be a better route than competitive gaming, for all those reasons above or simply because you will always make more money playing professional sports.

From a purely monetary standpoint, that depends on the sport in question as well. With the exception of those who make it to the top, pro boxers often have a job on the side since they don't make the enough from their fight money alone. Unless you are cream of the crop, most fight simply out of enjoyment than a feasible means of earning income. Pro athletes for football and basketball, on the other hand, make a make a lot more money on averaage and have lot of more support from organizations to focus entirely on their respective sport.
 
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(Fomula 1 is not Indy! Aggghh! :laugh: /headexplodes That's like saying the real olympics are the Special Olympics)

Yeah, see what I mean? I think sports have some benefits in general that video games do not, but I think they fall under the same category as not being worth bragging about like people do. There are plenty of other things people could be doing that are more useful. Even my own hobbies, for the most part, aren't that useful. I just see them as having more value to me personally because I feel like for the most part, video games--while entertaining and fun--do not add to my life as much as those other hobbies.

Yeah I understand. (My bad on formula 1 and Indy lol. I'm not much into racing)

VIdeo games are my form of watching television/playing sports.(although i use to play sports)

I actually do try to learn. That's why I take general education so I'm a well rounded citizen. I know a little bit about everything. I do like to write/play piano(learning I still suck)/ Do the best I can in pretty much anything I do actually. Even in building human relationships with those around me. Because even if I'm good to a negative bastard, or a mean person. Me continuing to show good to them might change them.

My cynical self also actually does some good to society. As I'm not afraid to call out selfish behavior and if people realize their own selfishness(which you know alot of people are good and want to be good they just don't always realize when they're being selfish) Will sometimes make them less selfish.

My brother use to be extremely selfish and angry all the time. I'm pretty confident I molded him into a stand up nice guy. I'm confident I raised my own brother moreso than my parents.







So for MK9 examples: I wish Flagg would chime in on this as well.

Do you think the American vs EU stuff helps EU's growth in MK9? Them wanting to show us up? or do you think Zoidberg/Flagg or anyone. That it drives them away?
 
Yeah I understand. (My bad on formula 1 and Indy lol. I'm not much into racing)

VIdeo games are my form of watching television/playing sports.(although i use to play sports)

I actually do try to learn. That's why I take general education so I'm a well rounded citizen. I know a little bit about everything. I do like to write/play piano(learning I still suck)/ Do the best I can in pretty much anything I do actually. Even in building human relationships with those around me. Because even if I'm good to a negative bastard, or a mean person. Me continuing to show good to them might change them.

My cynical self also actually does some good to society. As I'm not afraid to call out selfish behavior and if people realize their own selfishness(which you know alot of people are good and want to be good they just don't always realize when they're being selfish) Will sometimes make them less selfish.

My brother use to be extremely selfish and angry all the time. I'm pretty confident I molded him into a stand up nice guy. I'm confident I raised my own brother moreso than my parents.







So for MK9 examples: I wish Flagg would chime in on this as well.

Do you think the American vs EU stuff helps EU's growth in MK9? Them wanting to show us up? or do you think Zoidberg/Flagg or anyone. That it drives them away?

I wish i could play americans online, sucks region lock on ps3. I enjoy the banter with Americans on MKAK when i can get a game, unless they are children using homophobic slurs. I dont think it helps having EU vs USA. I recall reading something that T.Brady said about EU players been evil or to that effect lo,
 
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