MK11's new hero (protagonist)?

Commander said:
Cassie hasn't been given that chance, though.
Cassie has literally debuted in only 1 game, whereas Liu Kang got that notoriety over the course of the last 7 MK-canon games in the old timeline.
That's not really a fair comparison.
You can't expect these heroes to really shine if no one gives them a chance.
Quan Chi and Kenshi got the chance over the years to be proven to the fans, and it wasn't until MK9 that I cared for either of them.
Shinnok felt like a non-threatening clown in MK4 - Armageddon, and it wasn't until MKX when he was released from the amulet and became Corrpted Shinnok (essentially Satan) that I was actually like "Wow. EarthRealm is f***ed if this dude isn't stopped."
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Based on games debuted, she has the same count as Shujinko and Taven, and look at their reception.
Unfortunately, most people judge on first impressions and don't give a hoot about character growth over time. So, it's up to the developer to implant a very strong impression the first time around.

The other unfortunate part of this is like you said earlier: nostalgia. No matter what the franchise is, it is usually a hurdle to top the original piece. People tend to get stuck in the past and don't like change. This can be almost impossible to battle when said people are stuck in their ways.
 
kori_ryuu said:
Based on games debuted, she has the same count as Shujinko and Taven, and look at their reception.
Unfortunately, most people judge on first impressions and don't give a hoot about character growth over time. So, it's up to the developer to implant a very strong impression the first time around.

The other unfortunate part of this is like you said earlier: nostalgia. No matter what the franchise is, it is usually a hurdle to top the original piece. People tend to get stuck in the past and don't like change. This can be almost impossible to battle when said people are stuck in their ways.
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If people didn't give a hoot for character development over time, Quan Chi would have been gone LONG ago.
The fact is that Midway gave Quan Chi a good story to follow with the whole Deadly Alliance thing.
Also comparing Shujinko to Cassie isn't fair since Shujinko was in 2 games and Cassie was only in 1.
Shujinko also got a shitty rep with a portion of the fanbase for being the unoriginal character which has everyone else's moves.
MK4 Jarek was also disliked for being the MK4 Kano clone with a new coat of paint.
That's not the case with Cassie as (apart from the Nut Kraker) she has her own moves.

Sure, but look at how many people love Quan Chi and Kenshi now because people gave them a chance back in the old days.
 
The problem with a lot of Mortal Kombat fans is that they are stuck in the past and just care about the classic characters. You have some here actually.

I think it's an absolute waste on their part that they made such interesting characters during the 3D era and all except Kenshi, Fujin, and Sareena are basically trash. Those that want the returnees to come back couldn't care less about the 3D era characters. But those who are fans of them, such as myself, would like to see them but know they'll most likely won't have that chance.

I was blown away to see Frost's cameo in Scorpion's chapter, I really was. I honestly had no clue she was going to be in this game, even with that random picture that was floating about before the game's release. And I'm certain that many people too thought her cameo was cool. She also had a spot in the comic as a villain for a bit, and the amount of conversations that were brought up after her appearance, people were starting to like her again.

But will she get her chance to come back? Most likely not, because a lot of fans are too fixated on the Trilogy characters and as I said, couldn't care less what the 3D era characters' fates are like.

I'm not an employee of a video game company... yet... but if I had things my way, you shouldn't make more characters to a series that can't work that well with the ones they've got already.
 
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Commander said:
If people didn't give a hoot for character development over time, Quan Chi would have been gone LONG ago.
The fact is that Midway gave Quan Chi a good story to follow with the whole Deadly Alliance thing.
Also comparing Shujinko to Cassie isn't fair since Shujinko was in 2 games and Cassie was only in 1.
Shujinko also got a shitty rep with a portion of the fanbase for being the unoriginal character which has everyone else's moves.
MK4 Jarek was also disliked for being the MK4 Kano clone with a new coat of paint.
That's not the case with Cassie as (apart from the Nut Kraker) she has her own moves.

Sure, but look at how many people love Quan Chi and Kenshi now because people gave them a chance back in the old days.
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I was referring to Shujinko's original debut. After just one game, he was not liked, and for very valid reasons.

You mentioned that it isn't fair to compare Cassie to Liu because the amount of games both were in. I'm saying, whether it's fair or not, that's what happens (as was the case for both Shujinko and Taven in their first appearance). First impressions are a big deal and definitely have a say in how people perceive a character.

And first impressions are hard to change. That's what I meant by people "not giving a hoot". It can take a very long time to change a person's initial impressions. That's just how it is.
 
Commander said:
Because of this, essentially......



He may have had a big part in the old timeline, but this is an alternate timeline, and in this timline he's pointless.
MKX further proved that point by how easily NRS decided to dispose of him in story mode.
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He trained Liu Kang in the new timeline as well (it even says so in Liu Kang's MK9 bio. Liu Kang also beat Goro, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn in the new timeline, as was also the case in the old timeline. Bo Rai Cho was therefore involved in those victories. That's not minor at all.

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Tarkatan Trash said:
He trained Liu Kang in the new timeline as well (it even says so in Liu Kang's MK9 bio. Liu Kang also beat Goro, Shang Tsung, and Shao Kahn in the new timeline, as was also the case in the old timeline. Bo Rai Cho was therefore involved in those victories. That's not minor at all.
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Liu Kang was also killed in MK9 by Raiden and became Quan Chi and Shinnok's puppet b**** in MKX, but nice to see that you were only cherry-picking the good stuff and decided to leave that out.
Bo Rai Cho also was eliminated by Quan Chi's forces, right before also capturing Raiden, but of course let's all forget about that, even though it just happened in MKX.
The way that NRS treated Bo Rai Cho in MKX goes to show you exactly what NRS thinks of Bo Rai Cho; that he's disposable.
 
Commander said:
Liu Kang was also killed in MK9 by Raiden and became Quan Chi and Shinnok's puppet b**** in MKX, but nice to see that you were only cherry-picking the good stuff and decided to leave that out.
Bo Rai Cho also was eliminated by Quan Chi's forces, right before also capturing Raiden, but of course let's all forget about that, even though it just happened in MKX.
The way that NRS treated Bo Rai Cho in MKX goes to show you exactly what NRS thinks of Bo Rai Cho; that he's disposable.
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If he was disposable, then why was he still referenced in a prestigious manner by NRS in Liu Kang's own bio in the first place?

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Tarkatan Trash said:
If he was disposable, then why was he still referenced in a prestigious manner by NRS in Liu Kang's own bio in the first place?
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Why is it then that Liu Kang's MKX bio has no mention of Bo Rai Cho, if he wasn't disposable?

Why would NRS kill off Bo Rai Cho so quickly after JUST appearing as a cameo (like Hsu Hao was killed as a cameo character in the comics), if he wasn't disposable?


Oh, look at that.
You're right.
Bo Rai Cho was in MKX's story mode for a whole 2 minutes and 43 seconds before getting killed off.
Yup, NRS must think the world of Bo Rai Cho and love him.
/sarcasm :reddy:

 
Did you actually see him take his dying breath? Tseng of the Turks had far more obvious evidence of being killed off, and even he managed to cheat death (which American audiences were in fact unaware of due to a translation error that gave his fate much more finality than it really had).

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People kept claiming that they still saw Liu Kang breathing at the end of 2011 (me included). Yet look where he ended.
 
Usually when a character gets attacked in a vicious way and makes no other appearances after that in a story, it usually means they're dead.
Even Shinnok said that he will die after the amount of torture that was inflicted.


Bo Rai' Cho isn't the kind of character who's capable of shocking a fan base by returning to the series after have a fate be left unknown/known to the audience.
 
Kitty_55 said:
Usually when a character gets attacked in a vicious way and makes no other appearances after that in a story, it usually means they're dead.
Even Shinnok said that he will die after the amount of torture that was inflicted.


Bo Rai' Cho isn't the kind of character who's capable of shocking a fan base by returning to the series after have a fate be left unknown/known to the audience.
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And did any of that torture Shinnok promised to inflict upon Bo Rai Cho ever come to fruition?

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Bo isn't dead. Characters don't die like that in an MK story.

You either get this
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This
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Or at the very least, this
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There is no ambiguity when it comes to death. Shinnok says "When he dies" not "He's already dead.Kenshiro". Not to mention Raiden retorts with "You know not his power, his soul cannot be subjugated"
 
And as with MK9, we can also just as equally assume that Bo Rai Cho is dead.
If we choose to assume that he's dead, then we can, just like people assumed that Kang was dead in MK9.
 
Commander said:
And as with MK9, we can also just as equally assume that Bo Rai Cho is dead.
If we choose to assume that he's dead, then we can, just like people assumed that Kang was dead in MK9.
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No shit, I never disputed your ability to deny it.
 
Those who assumed Liu Kang was dead after MK9 were obviously proven right, but there have been cases where such an assumption was proven wrong. For instance, we discovered in Deception that Li Mei was rescued at the last minute by Bo Rai Cho.

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BBBLP said:
No shit, I never disputed your ability to deny it.
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It's not denial if we end up being right, though.
That's the point.
I have as much right to think that he's dead as you think he's alive, and both assumptions at the moment are correct.
 
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