[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

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But... Bi-Han did have blue eyes as human Sub-Zero in MK9... and Kuai did have white eyes before in the old timeline.

I am really not getting the white eyes argument :/ even though I do think Bi-Han is the primary costume in X.
 
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Because he's a Cryomancer. Kung Lao is just a human and Kitana is just an Edenian princess. If you mean "why did his eyes change from MK9 to MKX," maybe it represents his growing skill at manipulating the element of ice - same, I imagine, as in the original timeline. Bi Han was older and a more adept Cryomancer in MK9, hence he had the white eyes and Kuai did not.

Last I checked, Bi-Han was a Cryomancer too.
This Sub-Zero seems to have the same eyes as MK9 Noob Saibot.
In fact, since you want to get technical about the outlines of the pupils, Bi-Han also had white pupil outlines in MK9.

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Last I checked, Bi-Han was a Cryomancer too.
This Sub-Zero seems to have the same eyes as MK9 Noob Saibot.
In fact, since you want to get technical about the outlines of the pupils, Bi-Han also had white pupil outlines in MK9.

I don't know why you bring up Bi Han, I didn't once say or suggest that "MKX Sub-Zero's eyes look different from Bi Han's eyes and therefore this couldn't possibly be Bi Han." You asked me why Kuai Liang's eyes might be white when Kitana and Kung Lao's aren't. I explained that it may be because he is a Cryomancer, and that adept Cryomancers, like Bi Han and like MKDA Kuai, and now like Kuai 25 years in the future, have white eyes.

I was just answering your question.
 
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Sub-Zero's alternate is exactly what I wanted. I'm very pleased, especially with the new beard too. I do hope the alternate is Kuai, it would be criminal if it wasn't.
 
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Bi Han most likely dies again. the statue in the lin kuei temple is bi han. Same out fit as subz main costume so probably a tribute to him.
 
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Who was it at said that this sub zero is Shang Tsung? We bearded sub zero does kinda look like Shang Tsung...
 
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Why is everyone arguing about the eyes?
Sub-Zero from Issue 1 had blue pupils and after Kano scared him his eyes turned out white... So simple.
 
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Remember that D'vorah had BLUE eyes (pupil and s#!t) with the first artist.

And Kotal Kahn have purple feathers in the comics.

So I don't think these details are always that important. The game is the rule.
 
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Sub-zero's "unbreakable" variation has an ice version of Kuai Liang's mask. I reeeeaaaallllyyyyy hope this isn't Kuai Liang. I hate to say this but it's looking more and more like Kuai Liang :( what a bummer. He's f-f-ukcing boring
 
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IMO Kuai Liang has proven to be the ultimate legendary Sub-Zero.

No one EVER reached the legendary level he had.

He mastered all his skills, discovered his inheritance, acquired the Dragon Medallion, the Cryomancer Armour, became Grandmaster, competed in Armageddon battle...

IMO, the scar Sub-Zero is Kuai Liang. If the Sub-Zero we have seen so far is the same with the scar, IMO, then Kuai Liang is MKX's Sub-Zero.

Though I have always thought it was Bi-Han, I really believe the scar one/trailer is Kuai Liang. He even speaks like him.

It's possible that the outfit (without the scar) we have seen so far is Bi-Han or Kuai Liang during/after the Netherrealm War. But the "murderer" and "Shirai Ryu dog" does not fit well with Kuai Liang, they fit the elder.

Inside my mind, the one of the trailer is Kuai Liang, but I need more clear information about the one we have seen so far, for the reasons I stated, because I still think he is Bi-Han.
 
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I think it's Kuai Liang now simply because of his demeanor in the Story Trailer. Reminds me of how he was in MK9. Hostile, yet helpful.
 
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I don't understand why some people say the Sub-Zero from the story mode trailer was Bi Han. It is clearly Kuai Liang, why do you deny it? The scar was introduced in MK3 to make the younger Sub-Zero recognizable. There is no reason to give Bi Han Kuai's scar and his MK3 outfit. Even if it really was Bi Han, why would we (I also love Bi Han) want him to be like Kuai Liang?

Because of some intros I still believe both brothers will be playable as Sub-Zero.
 
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Bi Han most likely dies again. the statue in the lin kuei temple is bi han. Same out fit as subz main costume so probably a tribute to him.

The statue in the beginning of the trailer has the same scar over his right eye as Sub-Zero in the trailer.
So, if you are saying that the statue is of Bi-Han, then the Sub-Zero shown is also Bi-Han, because they both have the same exact scar on the same eye.



Why is everyone arguing about the eyes?
Sub-Zero from Issue 1 had blue pupils and after Kano scared him his eyes turned out white... So simple.

No.
His eyes glowed red, because he was possessed by the demon, it was even shown in the latest comic issue that his eyes were glowing red.
The eyes are being debated because Kaui-Liang never had pupil-less eyes in the old timeline, only very light blue eyes, but he always had pupils even when he mastered Cryomancy.


It's possible that the outfit (without the scar) we have seen so far is Bi-Han or Kuai Liang during/after the Netherrealm War. But the "murderer" and "Shirai Ryu dog" does not fit well with Kuai Liang, they fit the elder.

Inside my mind, the one of the trailer is Kuai Liang, but I need more clear information about the one we have seen so far, for the reasons I stated, because I still think he is Bi-Han.

These are the exact reasons why I still think it's Bi-Han.
The majority of the intro lines, along with the more recent ones versus Ermac fit Bi-Han even better.


I don't understand why some people say the Sub-Zero from the story mode trailer was Bi Han. It is clearly Kuai Liang, why do you deny it?

Because opinions?
It's not clear that it's either brother at this point because both NRS and Kittlesen are being vague about it, not even calling MKX Sub-Zero by his real name.

The scar was introduced in MK3 to make the younger Sub-Zero recognizable. There is no reason to give Bi Han Kuai's scar and his MK3 outfit. Even if it really was Bi Han, why would we (I also love Bi Han) want him to be like Kuai Liang?

I REALLY don't understand this argument, at all.
Kuai-Liang has stolen more from Bi-Han in the old timeline and in this new MK9 timeline than Bi-Han ever did.
People just choose to ignore that because of double-standards.
In the old timeline Kuai took his brother's identity "Sub-Zero," took his brother's costume, took his bother's special moves and took his brother's finishing moves.
In MK9, Kuai once again took his brother's name, copied his brother's costume, took his special moves and fatality, was written as getting killed off as Sub-Zero (which is a specific Bi-Han thing) and is now being suggested by you and others to be brought back from the dead with white eyes (also a Bi-Han specific thing).
Let's also not forget that Smoke and Kuai switched roles, and Kuai became cyber in MK9.

Let's not all get hypocritical, now, and just say that Bi-Han can't have the scar or that uniform this time around in MKX and be the one to honor his brother, because the opposite is true.
Bi-Han's identity and characteristics have also been given to Kuai-Liang in the past.
 
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The eyes are being debated because Kaui-Liang never had pupil-less eyes in the old timeline, only very light blue eyes, but he always had pupils even when he mastered Cryomancy.

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I really don't see a pupil there.
 
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I really don't see a pupil there.

Good job on finding the smallest possible picture to support your argument.
Here, let me get you a bigger picture...............


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As can be seen here his sclera is gray and he does have pupil outlines.
 
Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Well, I don't think that Sub-Zero's eye features will decide which of the brothers is this one.

Specially because, if you look closely on MKX's Sub-Zero, you can still see his pupil outlines.
 
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Well, I don't think that Sub-Zero's eye features will decide which of the brothers is this one.

Specially because, if you look closely on MKX's Sub-Zero, you can still see his pupil outlines.


Why would Scorpion call that one a murderer, though?
Why would he say to Ermac that his soul isn't corrupted, but freed?
"Shirai Ryu" dog is also a Bi-Han specific thing.

I'm not saying that the 1 in the trailer can't be Kuai.
I'm just stating that it can also be Bi-Han.
It can be either brother.
NetherRealm Studios has been very vague about which bother it has been, with hints at both.
I've said before that I'd be fine with either brother or even a new person being Sub-Zero in MKX, but I want a proper explanation for such things.
I just don't like when people imply that it can't be Bi-Han at all, because it very well could.
 
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