[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

[sub-one]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Look at the mk9 sub zero vignette. Bi Han is bald and Kuai Liang has hair.

This thread is turning into SRK Charlie Nash SF5 thread. Everyone think Gill or Urien are in sf5 because of the gem on Charlie's forehead, etc?

I don't tink so bub. it says in the vignette that tundra masters ice "after" Bi han is killed. so in the pic of the two young brothers the one using ice powers would be the older Bi-han because the younger Kuai liang hasnt learned them yet. so um yup

 

[jdnice11]

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

I believe the Sub Zero we're seeing is Kuai Liang but i think might be a New Cyromancer in the mist!

 

[white_ninja]

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Hmmmm I just though of something. Jax has cybernetic arms and is back from the dead, which means that if this Sub-zero was Kuai Liang, then he would still be cyber, right? Now, Bi-han has NO body as it was burned to ashes by Scorpion and his alter-ego Noob was kicked into the Soulnado he was most likely ripped apart, based on the color that the Soulnado turned (the color of NOOB's BLOOD). So this is where my theory gets interesting. Ready?:

The Sub-zero we've seen in the comics and in the story reveal trailer IS the NEW SUB-ZERO! It makes perfect sense! That's how they set up speculation and the "wtf" factor. This New "Beard-zero" is, infakt, another kharakter all together! Him getting the scar and being the new leader of the Lin Kuei is all part of the smoke screen! I REPEAT, THE SUB-ZERO IN THE TRAILER AND COMIC (yes! the one who got the scar!) IS THE NEW SUB-ZERO!

*When he says "I tire of maintaining our innocence" he means "the Lin Kuei"

* When Quanchi says "I still have your brother's/ brothers' soul" He is referring to BOTH Sub-zeros that died in MK9(possibly)

*After re-watching the video with the ice armor between rounds it does resemble Shao Kahn's! This means one thing, he's not in fact Shao Kahn, He is another Cryomancer from Outworld! His Main costume is from before he got the scar.

* This Sub-zero fights for the the honor of the LIN KUEI solely.

Sorry dude, but it's not a new Sub-Zero. Every damn thing he said (in game, in comic or in trailers) was connected to the brothers. Especially the dialog with Kano in the last comic where he said that he was dead once and never again.

There is no doubt that the MKX Sub-Zero is one of the brothers. Some things look more like Bi Han, some things look more like Kuai Liang. I am not speculating anymore. It will be nice to play the story mode without knowing everything what is going to happen.

 

[sub-one]

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Sorry dude, but it's not a new Sub-Zero. Every damn thing he said (in game, in comic or in trailers) was connected to the brothers. Especially the dialog with Kano in the last comic where he said that he was dead once and never again.

There is no doubt that the MKX Sub-Zero is one of the brothers. Some things look more like Bi Han, some things look more like Kuai Liang. I am not speculating anymore. It will be nice to play the story mode without knowing everything what is going to happen.

Sorry dude! thats exactly why it IS a New sub-zero, because people like yourself with limited comprehension will believe it's one of the brothers even though it clearly can't be. Thanx again

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

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Sorry dude! thats exactly why it IS a New sub-zero, because people like yourself with limited comprehension will believe it's one of the brothers even though it clearly can't be. Thanx again

And exactly what evidence do you have to back that up to credibly refute mounting evidence to the contrary (such as "I have your brother's soul", "I was dead once", and "My soul is cleansed", or words to that effect)? Have you even been reading the komic or watching the streams?

You know damn well it can be Bi-Han by virtue of the Soulnado Theory, because the exact same thing happened to Scorpion in the original timeline! You know damn well it can be Kuai Liang because we already have dead heroes from MK9 coming back! So how can you STILL believe that it's a new Sub-Zero even in the face of evidence to the contrary right in front of you?

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[Commander]

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Sorry dude, but it's not a new Sub-Zero. Every damn thing he said (in game, in comic or in trailers) was connected to the brothers. Especially the dialog with Kano in the last comic where he said that he was dead once and never again.

There is no doubt that the MKX Sub-Zero is one of the brothers. Some things look more like Bi Han, some things look more like Kuai Liang. I am not speculating anymore. It will be nice to play the story mode without knowing everything what is going to happen.

Agreed with this.
I seriously doubt it's a new one in MKX, but if both get killed again in MKX (which Boon loves to do), then it may be a new one for MK11.
There are too many intro lines in MKX, though, that point at the brothers.

 

[sub-one]

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You all cant be that foolish can you? it is a diversionary tactic used to make you think it is one or the other. This is a new sub-zero. Even his voice is different. it's not bi han or kuai, they are both dead. Han torn apart by soulnado hence the blue color not Kuai because he would still be cyber. it is a new sub-zero. that is all

 

[Commander]

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Even his voice is different. it's not bi han or kuai, they are both dead. Han torn apart by soulnado hence the blue color not Kuai because he would still be cyber. it is a new sub-zero. that is all

That's called sound manipulation and adding effects.
I do it for a living.
The voice actor is 1 person, thus far.
When you put a mask on your face it sounds completely different and muffled compared to when you don't speak with a mask on.
It's basic sound principles.
As for the Soulnado, Scorpion survived it in the old timeline, soooooooooo why exactly can't Bi-Han also survive it in MKX?
Both were resurrected under Quan Chi's sorcery.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

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You all cant be that foolish can you? it is a diversionary tactic used to make you think it is one or the other. This is a new sub-zero. Even his voice is different. it's not bi han or kuai, they are both dead. Han torn apart by soulnado hence the blue color not Kuai because he would still be cyber. it is a new sub-zero. that is all

BOTH versions of Sub-Zero had Daniel Pesina (MK1 Bi-Han and MK2 Kuai Liang) and John Turk (MK3 Kuai Liang and MK Mythologies Bi-Han), so exactly what does a "different voice actor" have to do with anything, especially since both versions have had the same actor in the past?

And for the record, Cyrax was rehumanized in the original timeline. If Cyrax can be rehumanized, why can't Kuai Liang? Scorpion was purified by the Elder Gods after being thrown in the Soulnado, so if Scorpion can be purified in that fashion, then why can't Bi-Han?

You're are wrong, not because I said so, but because I saw you be wrong!

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[sub-one]

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BOTH versions of Sub-Zero had Daniel Pesina (MK1 Bi-Han and MK2 Kuai Liang) and John Turk (MK3 Kuai Liang and MK Mythologies Bi-Han), so exactly what does a "different voice actor" have to do with anything, especially since both versions have had the same actor in the past?

And for the record, Cyrax was rehumanized in the original timeline. If Cyrax can be rehumanized, why can't Bi-Han? Scorpion was purified by the Elder Gods after being thrown in the Soulnado, so if Scorpion can be purified in that fashion, then why can't Bi-Han?

You're are wrong, not because I said so, but because I saw you be wrong!

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I assume when you talk about cyrax being "rehumanized' you mean the "robot body" with "human head" in MKDA. Irrelevant since he was not "rehumanized" as you put it, his mask was removed, like robo cop.

dealing with the other crap I have NOOOO Idea what the ell you're talking about because it was incohesive, incoherent and frankly incompetent. I was talking about the voice actor doing Sub-zero's voice in MKX as opposed to the actors who played Han and Liang in MK9. This is a completely different voice actor, completely different, doesn't sound anything like either sub-zero from MK9. Its like comparing Optimus Primal from Beast wars to Optimus prime in Transformers G1, Primal was definitely not voiced by Peter Cullen, the difference is that clear.

Raiden and Scorpion have the same voice actors, so does Milleena. Tell me o dumbass of dumbasses, why would they make it a point to recast a NEW actor for Sub-zero if he is one of the "dead' brothers?

 

[Noob-Zer013]

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it could be as simple as them just using a different voice actor for the same character(s). It happens.

 

[sub-one]

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That's called sound manipulation and adding effects.
I do it for a living.
The voice actor is 1 person, thus far.
When you put a mask on your face it sounds completely different and muffled compared to when you don't speak with a mask on.
It's basic sound principles.
As for the Soulnado, Scorpion survived it in the old timeline, soooooooooo why exactly can't Bi-Han also survive it in MKX?
Both were resurrected under Quan Chi's sorcery.

well then surely you can hear the difference in THREE different voice actors. there were 2 in MK9 and now there is a THIRD in MKX.

If raiden has the same voice actor, scorpion and milleena, kitana and Quanchi as well and most likely sonya, kenshi and johnny cage will too then why did they cast a new voice actor for Sub-zero? because this IS the new subzero that took up the mantle after hearing that the other two were killed.

Why wouldn't they let Noob survive the soulnado? Because he's not scorpion, nuff said! Scorpion was almost torn apart when the elder gods saved him, Noob was ripped apart and is blood tainted the color of the soulnado. he was killed. Jax still has cybernetic arms even though he was killed by sindel and brought back to life, but all of a sudden Kuai has a body again after he was just a skeleton and organs in a metal shell? Yeah, nope not buying that. Beard-zero is the new sub-zero.

He's meant to be a mysterious assassin that none of the rest of earthrealm fighters or anyone else really knows anything about him, why wouldn't they all think he was a dead man walking? The costume and scar gimmick is PERFECT for not only deceiving the other characters but the gamers who automatically associate this look with Kuai Liang. trust me its a NEW subzero. All the dialogue so far is also meant to maintain that mystique.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

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well then surely you can hear the difference in THREE different voice actors. there were 2 in MK9 and now there is a THIRD in MKX.

If raiden has the same voice actor, scorpion and milleena, kitana and Quanchi as well and most likely sonya, kenshi and johnny cage will too then why did they cast a new voice actor for Sub-zero? because this IS the new subzero that took up the mantle after hearing that the other two were killed.

Why wouldn't they let Noob survive the soulnado? Because he's not scorpion, nuff said! Scorpion was almost torn apart when the elder gods saved him, Noob was ripped apart and is blood tainted the color of the soulnado. he was killed. Jax still has cybernetic arms even though he was killed by sindel and brought back to life, but all of a sudden Kuai has a body again after he was just a skeleton and organs in a metal shell? Yeah, nope not buying that. Beard-zero is the new sub-zero.

He's meant to be a mysterious assassin that none of the rest of earthrealm fighters or anyone else really knows anything about him, why wouldn't they all think he was a dead man walking? The costume and scar gimmick is PERFECT for not only deceiving the other characters but the gamers who automatically associate this look with Kuai Liang. trust me its a NEW subzero. All the dialogue so far is also meant to maintain that mystique.

The reason Jax keeps his cyber arms is because most fans like him with his cyber arms. The same principal applies to Kuai or any other character. Most fans hated cyber Sub-Zero, so if bearded-Zero is Kuai, its because NRS heard the fans. There may or may not be an explanation to it lore-wise but its irrelevant.

 

[Commander]

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trust me its a NEW subzero. All the dialogue so far is also meant to maintain that mystique.

Grasping at straws much?
This last sentence makes it hard for me to believe the rest of your reply.
The intro dialogues are specific to the brothers.
Those lines aren't things that would be said to just any person dressed like Sub-Zero.

The reason Jax keeps his cyber arms is because most fans like him with his cyber arms. The same principal applies to Kuai or any other character. Most fans hated cyber Sub-Zero, so if bearded-Zero is Kuai, its because NRS heard the fans. There may or may not be an explanation to it lore-wise but its irrelevant.

As much as it would suck not to have a proper explanation, if this was the case and it did end up being Kuai and wasn't ever stated why, it actually makes more sense.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

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Grasping at straws much?
This last sentence makes it hard for me to believe the rest of your reply.
The intro dialogues are specific to the brothers.
Those lines aren't things that would be said to just any person dressed like Sub-Zero.




As much as it would suck not to have a proper explanation, if this was the case and it did end up being Kuai and wasn't ever stated why, it actually makes more sense.

I'll give thanks when I can,
I wouldn't mind an explanation (to avoid ocd) but having Kuai human is great enough that I'd be happy without one.

 

[sub-one]

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Grasping at straws much?
This last sentence makes it hard for me to believe the rest of your reply.
The intro dialogues are specific to the brothers.
Those lines aren't things that would be said to just any person dressed like Sub-Zero.




As much as it would suck not to have a proper explanation, if this was the case and it did end up being Kuai and wasn't ever stated why, it actually makes more sense.

*Sighs* you're completely missing the point purposefully to validate your theory of Bi-han's inclusion, which would be obvious to anyone familiar with MK in the past 13 years except for one glaring flaw; Scorpion is the poster boy of MK, they wouldn't let him meet his end in such a manner but they WOULD allow Noob to meet his end like that because they see Sub-zero as expendable and replaceable .

Its painfully obvious to me what NRS is doing with Sub-zero. I don't need to "grasp at straws" because their tactic this time is transparent and paper thin. It all comes down to a process of elimination and maybe even a little common sense.

Those are PRECISELY the things that would be uttered by a new sub-zero because while they "seem" specific, they are vague enough to be about other parties or instances all together! Remember, NO names are mentioned, hence the "speculation" most are doing. Don't assume it's the "ice-climber bros." just because you want it to be your favorite incarnation of that character. When that character hasn't been that character in a loooooong time. like 2 years long.

I can remember the first bio of Sub-zero for MK9 was nothing more that that piece of character art where his eyes are whited out and he has two long ties coming from the back of his head like, Sub-zero does in MKX ( even though they were never included on his MK( character model) followed by the statements "sub-zero has returned from the dead blah blah blah". this was prior to us knowing even a stitch of the direction MK9 was heading timeline and story wise and causing people to speculate that it was Bi-Han then, when in fact it was Just a vague reference to Sub-zero's MK2 story.

Trust me, it's all a promotional gag being used to beef up interest in the identity of this NEW Sub-zero, when the truth is right in front of your face. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Commander]

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[MENTION=6431]sub-one[/MENTION]

You're forgetting though, that Ed Boon always wants to have Scorpion killing Sub-Zero in some fashion or another, for promotional material, and the best Sub-Zero to do that with (unfortunately) would be 1 of the brothers.

You ARE grasping at straws, because as much as I say "I think it's 1 of the brothers," you are just as equally saying "no, it's not" with even less evidence to back up your reasoning.

All of the quotes are specific to the brothers, and even more so specific to the events of MK9.
MKX Sub-Zero even said that he was dead once before and that he wasn't going to die again, to Kano, which is specific to 1 of the 2 brothers since both died in the previous game.
1 of the Red Dragon goons in the comics even recognizes Sub-Zero as previously working with Quan Chi, which also hints at the brothers.

Trust me, it's all promotional stuff to get people who played MK9 wondering "Which brother is this?"
There is much more evidence in favor of 1 (or BOTH) of the brothers being in this again than a new Sub-Zero, but if you choose to ignore that evidence I can't make you believe anything.
You continue to believe what you want and I will do likewise, and we'll see who's right when MKX comes out.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

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*Sighs* you're completely missing the point purposefully to validate your theory of Bi-han's inclusion, which would be obvious to anyone familiar with MK in the past 13 years except for one glaring flaw; Scorpion is the poster boy of MK, they wouldn't let him meet his end in such a manner but they WOULD allow Noob to meet his end like that because they see Sub-zero as expendable and replaceable .

Its painfully obvious to me what NRS is doing with Sub-zero. I don't need to "grasp at straws" because their tactic this time is transparent and paper thin. It all comes down to a process of elimination and maybe even a little common sense.

Those are PRECISELY the things that would be uttered by a new sub-zero because while they "seem" specific, they are vague enough to be about other parties or instances all together! Remember, NO names are mentioned, hence the "speculation" most are doing. Don't assume it's the "ice-climber bros." just because you want it to be your favorite incarnation of that character. When that character hasn't been that character in a loooooong time. like 2 years long.

I can remember the first bio of Sub-zero for MK9 was nothing more that that piece of character art where his eyes are whited out and he has two long ties coming from the back of his head like, Sub-zero does in MKX ( even though they were never included on his MK( character model) followed by the statements "sub-zero has returned from the dead blah blah blah". this was prior to us knowing even a stitch of the direction MK9 was heading timeline and story wise and causing people to speculate that it was Bi-Han then, when in fact it was Just a vague reference to Sub-zero's MK2 story.

Trust me, it's all a promotional gag being used to beef up interest in the identity of this NEW Sub-zero, when the truth is right in front of your face. It makes perfect sense.

If you are SOOOOOO confident that this Sub-Zero is a completely new Sub-Zero and not one of tbe two already-established Sub-Zeros, then you MUST be willing to wager your posting privileges on TRMK for ONE FULL WEEK, effective April 14th, 2015... Are you THAT confident in your belief that Sub-Zero is completely new?

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[sub-one]

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[MENTION=6431]sub-one[/MENTION]

You're forgetting though, that Ed Boon always wants to have Scorpion killing Sub-Zero in some fashion or another, for promotional material, and the best Sub-Zero to do that with (unfortunately) would be 1 of the brothers.

You ARE grasping at straws, because as much as I say "I think it's 1 of the brothers," you are just as equally saying "no, it's not" with even less evidence to back up your reasoning.

All of the quotes are specific to the brothers, and even more so specific to the events of MK9.
MKX Sub-Zero even said that he was dead once before and that he wasn't going to die again, to Kano, which is specific to 1 of the 2 brothers since both died in the previous game.
1 of the Red Dragon goons in the comics even recognizes Sub-Zero as previously working with Quan Chi, which also hints at the brothers.

Trust me, it's all promotional stuff to get people who played MK9 wondering "Which brother is this?"
There is much more evidence in favor of 1 (or BOTH) of the brothers being in this again than a new Sub-Zero, but if you choose to ignore that evidence I can't make you believe anything.
You continue to believe what you want and I will do likewise, and we'll see who's right when MKX comes out.

There is no evidence that you are presenting and no it's not character specific. This is MK buddy, full of cryomancers, demon sorcerers , gods ninjas and just about every other supernatural entity in between. you're the one grasping at straws holding out for Bi-han's return. Initially I though he would come back as well, but after reading the comic books, listening to the dialogue as well as his voice following EVERY video. The more apparent it is that this, in fact, is a new sub-zero.

No, the red dragon goons THINK this is the sub-zero that worked for Quanchi, it isn't

 

[sub-one]

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If you are SOOOOOO confident that this Sub-Zero is a completely new Sub-Zero and not one of tbe two already-established Sub-Zeros, then you MUST be willing to wager your posting privileges on TRMK for ONE FULL WEEK, effective April 14th, 2015... Are you THAT confident in your belief that Sub-Zero is completely new?

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I am that confident, however my Gamps told me never to gamble with idiots.