Do you think Kitana and Mileena would make the cut?

Ricochetmatt said:
First of all - The idea of whoreish men having "game" is outdated. They are normally called out for being scum bags. Unless of course you are a scum bag surrounded by other scum bag men. But for the most part, what you are saying in that sense is not true.

Moving on to oppressed females. If you think women are currently held in the same light as men, you're wrong. They aren't. They are still paid less than men, sexism still exists all over the damn place, in some parts of the world they are required to basically hide every inch of their bodies while in public and women are a huge tool for marketing this and that. News flash, it's 2014 and equality still doesn't exist.

Now when a man is shirtless in public, it is not seen in the same way as a shirtless woman. I don't support that way of thinking but that is where we're at right now, unless you live in a very open minded area. In MK9 there are only three or four shirtless men. But their lower halves are completely covered up with no defining detail added to their butts or crotch region. They aren't used as sex objects in the slightest. Actually, their upper bodies are so poorly crafted that it steps right into unsightly and deformed looking.

Side note : Many of the men in MK9 are so covered up that it's actually a bit ridiculous. Armor on top of armor on top of clothing.

Also, a guy can move around and fight better while shirtless than a woman can with absolutely no support for her breasts. So while these dudes are jumping around being "bad asses" with their shirtless bodies, a woman jumping around trying to do the same will only find it difficult and annoying. It doesn't make sense for a woman to fight with her boobs flopping to and fro.

And the women aren't just dressing "sexy", they are literally wearing as little clothing as possible to help sell SEX. Their butt's are well defined, their breasts are well defined and then you have someone like Mileena who was a few steps away from exposing her vagina to everyone. That costume would never hold up in real life.

The men aren't used to push sex in the game. They are given a very simple body shape that doesn't bring any focus to their manly bits or anything. The women are the exact opposite. I mean, a military chick is seen wearing heels and an opened up vest with no undershirt or bra to be seen. Just think about it.
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Haven't read all of your post, but the wage gap is a myth. It doesn't take into account different job positions, like, men are more likely to take dangerous, more high paying jobs than women (Like, construction is the only example I can think of, but there's plenty more high paying high risk jobs than that). Whereas a women may be more likely to take a less risky, more family friendly job, etc.

Can't be bothered to get a source, but a simple google search and you'll find it.
 
Kzaoo said:
Haven't read all of your post, but the wage gap is a myth. It doesn't take into account different job positions, like, men are more likely to take dangerous, more high paying jobs than women (Like, construction is the only example I can think of, but there's plenty more high paying high risk jobs than that). Whereas a women may be more likely to take a less risky, more family friendly job, etc.

Can't be bothered to get a source, but a simple google search and you'll find it.
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You should have read the rest of what he said because it was all true. The difference between a woman being shirtless and a man being shirtless is that a woman would naturally be seen as a "sex object". This is because people are conditioned to view female breasts exposure as a taboo.

Another thing you should note is the style and design of the female costumes - they are a lot more suggestive and sexual than the male costumes. SUGGESTIVE being the key word
 
chackalacka said:
You should have read the rest of what he said because it was all true. The difference between a woman being shirtless and a man being shirtless is that a woman would naturally be seen as a "sex object". This is because people are conditioned to view female breasts exposure as a taboo.

Another thing you should note is the style and design of the female costumes - they are a lot more suggestive and sexual than the male costumes. SUGGESTIVE being the key word
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I wasn't addressing his whole post, just that part.

I have previously stated in this thread that I find the female costumes distasteful.
 
I honestly would like to see Mileena make a return in this game and hopefully gets her childish personality changed into a more mature character. I don't know, maybe someone is with her to teach her a thing or two? I don't see her being a lone character, I see her more so teaming up with someone. And that someone is well... I don't have a character to say at the moment. But I feel like, since there were characters that were already announcing that Mileena would be the next heir to the throne in 2011, maybe a survivor on the evil side is helping her out in reclaiming the throne.

With Kitana though, despite that I really liked how she was played in 2011, story-wise, I honestly wouldn't mind if she returned only as a non-playable character. I don't see her returning to be a playable character. I feel like her death should mean something to Edenia, as well as Sindel's. Like, Quan Chi resurrected Sindel, she never got her good side come back to her, she killed her daughter. I want that to be a serious thing in the realm of Edenia because now it's just up for grabs and such.

This is how I see these characters. I don't mind either of them. However, I will say, if Mileena does return as a playable character there are two things I would like done to her.

1.) Give her new specials. I think she literally had only one new move, she deserves a lot more specials to her. Whether it has something to do with sai throwing/stabbing/etc. whatever. I just would definitely like to see her get a few new specials.

2.) Make her stronger and have better and longer combos. I know how to do long combos with her, however, there's not that much to her you can do against your opponents. Her combos are not that strong, and I feel like she is a completely weak character, always has been. You'd think she would have a little more "oomph" to her, unfortunately she doesn't and that's what lacked interested in me playing as her whether I'm fighting against my friends or the computer. She definitely needs to have a little more strength added to her and her combos should not be just two inputs.


I don't have anything for Kitana because I honestly don't see her making a return as a playable character. And if she is in this game, I might come back later and put some thought into what I would like to see from her. However, I don't at the moment. So yeah, this is all I got.
 
Kitty_55 said:
2.) Make her stronger and have better and longer combos. I know how to do long combos with her, however, there's not that much to her you can do against your opponents. Her combos are not that strong, and I feel like she is a completely weak character, always has been. You'd think she would have a little more "oomph" to her, unfortunately she doesn't and that's what lacked interested in me playing as her whether I'm fighting against my friends or the computer. She definitely needs to have a little more strength added to her and her combos should not be just two inputs.
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Awwwwww shit :laugh:

[MENTION=10998]iViTal[/MENTION]
 
BBBLP said:
Awwwwww shit :laugh:

[MENTION=10998]iViTal[/MENTION]
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Hoe, you only want to mention me when there's drama, I'm not even going to entertain that post. Until you show me some love outside PM's don't mention my name. :roll:


Anyways..

Meh, she's kinda right. The most Mileena could do w/o meter was 31% max from Midscreen, but the rest of that post?

just flat out wrong.. Jesus.

Mileena was so good in MK9. Had solid frame traps with U+4 being +4 on block, and that D4 was godly for hit advantage to start pressure. A 5-5 match up against Kabal says enough about her. She just needs armor on at least ex roll and I'll be happy.


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I thought I could avoid the "how good Mileena can play as" on this site since there's a sh!tstorm on MKO about her. Guess I was wrong.
 
Kitty_55 said:
I thought I could avoid the "how good Mileena can play as" on this site since there's a sh!tstorm on MKO about her. Guess I was wrong.
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You can't avoid the truth when it comes to gameplay, lol.

Not to boast or brag, but I know everything about her current meta game, and what you posted doesn't line up with the truth.


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Well to bring someone into perspective, your opinions should be backed up with facts. Those facts (Which are truthful) to back up your opinion weren't evident.

Damn, I didn't know I was looking down on her. Since when did I imply that? I actually agreed with her about Mileena's damage output.

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Oh, you're one of "those" people. Yeah, I'm not arguing about this any further. I said what I wanted, you can disagree all you want. It's not like I'm going to change my mind about it because you know a character well. She seemed weak in my eyes, obviously she doesn't when it comes to you.
 
The disrespect is real, lol. Good we agree to disagree, nothing further.

Yup, my Mileena guide in the character gameplay forum shows that I do know the character. :love:


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How good a character is is somewhat down to opinion, but there are facts that can't be ignored. If somebody called Kabal bottom tier, then they will be called out because that's stupid. Same goes for Mileena because she is not a bad character at all. Mileena is a solid, A- tier character in my opinion.

What tools a character has factors into this. Mileena has a solid zoning game with long pokes and instant air sais. She has options against zoning (Abeit, risky ones) with her teleport and to a lesser extent, her ball. She's got mixups (U+4 and... B+3xxBall is it?) She had good footsies...

Her big problem is dealing with rush down. Her d+1 sucks and her d+3 isn't anything to write home about and she has little to no armor on her Exs (I think she has none).

Is Mileena a perfect character? No.

Is Mileena a bad character? Lololololollololololooooloololoooololololol. If you think she's bad then never touch Sheeva, Kano, Stryker or Nightwolf. Those are really bad characters.

I think, along with Sektor, Mileena is one of the most well-designed and balanced characters (Movelist wise) in the game.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Nah.
Here on TRMK if people don't agree with your opinions, those opinions are automatically wrong and people look down on you.
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Now you're just starting drama, lol. You know for a fact I respect everyone and value their opinions, but when it comes to the truth it can't be denied, especially when it comes to gameplay.


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Kitty is just talking about shit she knows nothing about.
Just because YOU cannot use Mileena to her full potential doesn't mean she's lacking. It just means you need to train more.
 
Mileena in my opinion is a risky/unsafe character but rewarding, I also think her pressure game is pretty decent and her zoning is good. You have to use a lot of mind games when playing with her, when I see her played in tournaments, there are so many tricks she uses which puts the opponent under pressure, which in turn messes them up and it works.. Overall she is a good character
 
BBBLP said:
Kitty is just talking about shit she knows nothing about.
Just because YOU cannot use Mileena to her full potential doesn't mean she's lacking. It just means you need to train more.
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I don't get why both you and iViTal have a problem with a character that I could play as. I never said anywhere that I couldn't play as her. Yeah, she's not in my most used list, but it's not like I don't know what I'm doing with her. If finding a character weak with combos that aren't as good as I thought they should be is a problem to you or anyone else, then man, you must hate it when someone has an opinion that differs from yours. Please, continue hating on an opinion, I'll just continue writing how I feel about a character that's not that hard to play as and wanting her to be a bit different the next time she's in a Mortal Kombat game.
 
Characters are bound to be different in MKX. Look at Sub Zero and Scorpion... she'll basically be a new character if she is in.


MK9 Mileena is fine as she is, though. At least, on a higher level she's fine as shown by SonicFox, who won EVO this year playing a mix of her and Sonya. I see where you're coming from if you play at a level where the detailed stuff doesn't matter (Not being condescending, it's just a fact that it's the minority of the game's audience that get to the point where technicalities matter. I'm not a high level player, either.)
 
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