Do you think Kitana and Mileena would make the cut?

[Robert Glasel]

Fiction reflects reality. Always had, always will. When MK9 came out there were lots of complaints pertaining to the way the women were portrayed. People care because it does effect them. I know a few women who wont even touch MK anymore due to MK9's treatment of the female characters. It was out of control. When a character who is part of a special forces unit is reduced to some sort of cheap looking military themed stripper, there's a serious problem. The series was never as bad as it was during MK9 when it comes to the portrayal of women. And now with video game developers actively trying to change the representation of women in gaming, Mortal Kombat couldn't have released that sh** at a worse time.

People are getting sick of that garbage. And if MK wants to be taken seriously, they will forget all about whatever it was that made them stick a strong non-sexualized character in heels and an open vest with no undershirt or bra beneath it.

Go back to editing WIKIPEDIA pages and let this old conversation rest in peace.

Fiction isn't reality. Fiction is fiction.

Fiction can contain anything the authors want. If you don't like something that much in a work of fiction, you can look elsewhere. Don't buy it. (MK reboot sold extremely well for a fighting game, so people voted with their wallets.)

Were there also "complaints pertaining to the way the men were portrayed"? Look, I'm SO offended all of male characters have totally "unrealistic" body types. Why there is no "realism" in a game series where gods and aliens hurl fireballs at each other? How realistic for "a character who is part of a special forces unit" is to have cyber arms made of metal? My realism! And aren't Liu Kang and Kung Lao STILL "perpetuating existing stereotypes of Asians as martial arts experts" (to cite an actual complaint by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Aoki regarding MKII in 1994)? It's out of control!

As I showed you, people were complaining about MK since the befinning. Including accusing MKII of sexism and racism - and of things like making children murder other children.

MK was being a "serious problem" not since recently. And it had a "worse time": there was censorship (Nintendo), a HUGE moral panic in the media ("games that kill!"), US politicians seriously attempting to "ban this sick filth", and the first actual ban in Germany came almost 2 decades before Australia has finally catched on.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Fiction isn't reality. Fiction is fiction.

Gonna stop you there. I never said Fiction was reality. Oh well, you tried.

 

[Robert Glasel]

Gonna stop you there. I never said Fiction was reality. Oh well, you tried.

I'll try again then.

Fiction reflects reality. Always had, always will. When MK9 came out there were lots of complaints pertaining to the way the women were portrayed. People care because it does effect them. I know a few women who wont even touch MK anymore due to MK9's treatment of the female characters. It was out of control. When a character who is part of a special forces unit is reduced to some sort of cheap looking military themed stripper, there's a serious problem. The series was never as bad as it was during MK9 when it comes to the portrayal of women. And now with video game developers actively trying to change the representation of women in gaming, Mortal Kombat couldn't have released that sh** at a worse time.

People are getting sick of that garbage. And if MK wants to be taken seriously, they will forget all about whatever it was that made them stick a strong non-sexualized character in heels and an open vest with no undershirt or bra beneath it.

Go back to editing WIKIPEDIA pages and let this old conversation rest in peace.

Mortal Kombat does not "reflect reality". Never had, never will.

Fiction can contain anything the authors want. If you don't like something that much in a work of fiction, you can look elsewhere. Don't buy it. (MK reboot sold extremely well for a fighting game, so people voted with their wallets.)

Were there also "complaints pertaining to the way the men were portrayed"? Look, I'm SO offended all of male characters have totally "unrealistic" body types. Why there is no "realism" in a game series where gods and aliens hurl fireballs at each other? How realistic for "a character who is part of a special forces unit" is to have cyber arms made of metal? My realism! And aren't Liu Kang and Kung Lao STILL "perpetuating existing stereotypes of Asians as martial arts experts" (to cite an actual complaint by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Aoki regarding MKII in 1994)? It's out of control!

As I showed you, people were complaining about MK since the befinning. Including accusing MK and MKII of sexism and racism - and of things like making children murder other children.

MK was being a "serious problem" not since recently. And it had a "worse time": there was censorship (Nintendo), a HUGE moral panic in the media ("games that kill!"), US politicians seriously attempting to "ban this sick filth", and the first actual ban in Germany came almost 2 decades before Australia has finally catched on.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Fiction can contain anything the authors want. If you don't like something that much in a work of fiction, you can look elsewhere. Don't buy it. (MK reboot sold extremely well for a fighting game, so people voted with their wallets.)

Were there also "complaints pertaining to the way the men were portrayed"? Look, I'm SO offended all of male characters have totally "unrealistic" body types. Why there is no "realism" in a game series where gods and aliens hurl fireballs at each other? And aren't Liu Kang and Kung Lao STILL "perpetuating existing stereotypes of Asians as martial arts experts" (to cite an actual complaint by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Aoki regarding MKII in 1994)? It's out of control!

As I showed you, people were complaining about MK since the befinning. Including accusing MKII of sexism and racism - and of things like making children murder other children.

MK was being a "serious problem" not since recently. And it had a "worse time": there was censorship (Nintendo), a HUGE moral panic in the media ("games that kill!"), US politicians seriously attempting to "ban this sick filth", and the first actual ban in Germany came almost 2 decades before Australia has finally catched on.

Actually there were complaints as to how the men were portrayed as well. Disturbingly large upper bodies, men being covered up with armor on top of armor while women were running around with strips of fabric hilariously placed over their naughty bits. Then there was "Why are ninja-like characters wearing heavy armor?"

The overall designs of MK9s characters were both lazy and ridiculous.

But people are able to get by it for the gameplay and general love for the series. Some people aren't bothered by it at all as these issues don't relate to them or effect them. Though I guarantee if there was a male character with just enough "clothing" to cover his bulge, there would be a stunning backlash from those "can't be bothered" fans.

But since it is being done to women, they don't care. Cause they're used to it and see no wrong in it. Meanwhile many women wont even touch MK9 as they find it so overly sexist for no good reason.

Pushing the envelope in violence and gore with MK makes sense as it is a fighting game. Adding a female character with no substance or clothing, doesn't make sense and is used to basically sell sex when the game could sell well enough without it. We are entering a point in time where this sh** just wont be tolerated anymore by MANY gamers and this will effect the series if NRS doesn't change its tune. Just lurk around youtube a bit. Game reviewers and developers aren't feeling this mind sight anymore. Why do you think Lara Croft was reimagined with realistic proportions and less overly sexual qualities? That sh** doesn't fly anymore.

 

[Kzaoo]

I find the costumes distasteful, but what's wrong with using sex to sell things? Sex is completely natural and there's nothing morally wrong with it.

Let's ban fifty shades of grey and twilight, too.

Things are pretty twisted if sex kicks up more of a stir than murder.

But whatever, I don't care.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

If I REALLY wanted to buy sex, I'd be buying Jenna flicks.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547 using Tapatalk

 

[Robert Glasel]

Actually there were complaints as to how the men were portrayed as well. Disturbingly large upper bodies, men being covered up with armor on top of armor while women were running around with strips of fabric hilariously placed over their naughty bits. Then there was "Why are ninja-like characters wearing heavy armor?"

The overall designs of MK9s characters were both lazy and ridiculous.

But people are able to get by it for the gameplay and general love for the series. Some people aren't bothered by it at all as these issues don't relate to them or effect them. Though I guarantee if there was a male character with just enough "clothing" to cover his bulge, there would be a stunning backlash from those "can't be bothered" fans.

But since it is being done to women, they don't care. Cause they're used to it and see no wrong in it. Meanwhile many women wont even touch MK9 as they find it so overly sexist for no good reason.

Pushing the envelope in violence and gore with MK makes sense as it is a fighting game. Adding a female character with no substance or clothing, doesn't make sense and is used to basically sell sex when the game could sell well enough without it. We are entering a point in time where this sh** just wont be tolerated anymore by MANY gamers and this will effect the series if NRS doesn't change its tune. Just lurk around youtube a bit. Game reviewers and developers aren't feeling this mind sight anymore. Why do you think Lara Croft was reimagined with realistic proportions and less overly sexual qualities? That sh** doesn't fly anymore.

Do you know MKII was criticized for being "ridiculous" (and "sexist" and "misogynistic" and so on) for the original versions of Mileena and Kitana by feminists AND conservatives alike? "Adding a female character with no substance or clothing, doesn't make sense and is used to basically sell sex when the game could sell well enough without it." - that's what they said when whining about MKII (plus how "racist" it was with Mileena and Kitana as "Asians"). What's your opinion about it? Was MK really horrible all the time? Are you new to the series, or did you just see the light, or what? Or maybe it's just overblown manufactured controversy by the whiners who love being offended and suddenly have the platform (tumblr) and clickbaiting corrupt media?

And do you know how popular the reboot's female characters are among the cosplayers? And how, in this thread, several women didn't join the puritans / tumblr crew, but instead pointed out how you're slut-shaming, and using the term "slut" wrong? With "a male character with just enough "clothing" to cover his bulge", you mean like Voldo? Where' this "stunning backlash" about him? Or how about Zangief or (especially!) Urien from Street Fighter? And so on and on.

Do you know DOA5's girls were first "reimagined with realistic proportions and less overly sexual qualities" and it had to be changed back due to backlash from the the fanbase AGAINST the changes? How much do you want Cammy to cover up her butt, this dirty slut of "a character who is part of a special forces unit"? Are there actual KOF fans whining Mai Shiranui needs to get a breast reduction as "that sh** doesn't fly anymore", or is it just MK fandom thing?

Oh, and whatever makes you think Mortal Kombat wants, or ever did, "to be taken seriously"?

 

[Ricochetmatt]

I find the costumes distasteful, but what's wrong with using sex to sell things? Sex is completely natural and there's nothing morally wrong with it.

Let's ban fifty shades of grey and twilight, too.

Things are pretty twisted if sex kicks up more of a stir than murder.

But whatever, I don't care.

The problem with it is that there is a growing rejection for that marketing strategy. And since MK doesn't need to use sex as a selling point, they are only attracting negative attention that will eventually hurt the series.

Like I've said earlier in this thread, I am a very open minded person and believe in creative freedom. But sometimes people go too far with it and end up damaging their body of work.

As for Fifty Shades of Grey, that is what it was designed to be. It's a story that relies heavily on sex, as that is basically what the story is about. Mortal Kombat is not about sex. It's a fighting game that never really went too far with the sex up until MK9. And there was no good reason for it, either.

This isn't really about being afraid of sex. It's about objectifying women in all forms of media. The female characters of MK9 did NOTHING but walk around in as little clothing as possible while bringing nothing to the table story or character wise. Save for maybe Sindel. She was definitely trashy, but also important to the story.

As for Twilight... Well... That should be banned just for being so god damn awful and toxic to the minds of young desperate teenage girls. (and certain flaky middle aged single mothers)

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Do you know MKII was criticized for being "ridiculous" (and "sexist" and "misogynistic" and so on) for the original versions of Mileena and Kitana by feminists AND conservatives alike? "Adding a female character with no substance or clothing, doesn't make sense and is used to basically sell sex when the game could sell well enough without it." - that's what they said when whining about MKII (plus how "racist" it was with Mileena and Kitana as "Asians"). What's your opinion about it? Was MK really horrible all the time? Are you new to the series, or did you just see the light, or what? Or maybe it's just overblown manufactured controversy by the whiners who love being offended and suddenly have the platform (tumblr) and clickbaiting corrupt media?

And do you know how popular the reboot's female characters are among the cosplayers? And how, in this thread, several women didn't join the puritans / tumblr crew, but instead pointed out how you're slut-shaming, and using the term "slut" wrong? With "a male character with just enough "clothing" to cover his bulge", you mean like Voldo? Where' this "stunning backlash" about him? Or how about Zangief or (especially!) Urien from Street Fighter? And so on and on.

Do you know DOA5's girls were first "reimagined with realistic proportions and less overly sexual qualities" and it had to be changed back due to outrage of the the fanbase? How much do you want Cammy to cover up her butt, this dirty slut of a character who is part of a special forces unit"? Are there actual KOF fans whining Mai Shiranui needs to get a breast reduction as "that sh** doesn't fly anymore", or is it just MK fandom thing?

I go to a lot of cons as my fiance is part of a business that sells plushies at them... Most of the MK cosplayers I usually see, wear costumes from many of the earlier games. Reason being? These women aren't secure enough with their body types to wear the MK9 versions. And when you do see sexy women walking around like MK9 Mileena or Kitana, they are usually wearing a slightly modified version that will ensure their "parts" are covered every time they take a step. These women are also usually models or 'should be' models and more than likely have never played a video game in their life.

Also, I'm not the one throwing around the word "slut" left and right. I may have accidentally used it once or twice, but the man you're looking for on that subject is Tarkatan Trash.

In regards to Voldo, how many heterosexual straight men actually admit to playing as that character? Do you know how many times he shows up on "top X worst fighting game characters" lists? Often. Do you know that if you go to his urban dictionary page you will find this little beauty in his description:

"Like I said, most people don't use Voldo because he is creepy and if your friend sees you use Voldo you will have to convince him that you're not gay."

Also, Voldo isn't sexualized in the same way that say.... Mileena is. Voldo is an overall creepy and bizarre character. The number of people who are sexually turned on by him, is small.

DOA is a hot mess. Every time it is brought up around me I hear "The women in those games are disgusting." or you get someone like Nasty_freak who worships that sh**.



Ugh... How do I keep getting dragged back into this conversation.

 

[Kzaoo]

The problem with it is that there is a growing rejection for that marketing strategy. And since MK doesn't need to use sex as a selling point, they are only attracting negative attention that will eventually hurt the series.

Like I've said earlier in this thread, I am a very open minded person and believe in creative freedom. But sometimes people go too far with it and end up damaging their body of work.

As for Fifty Shades of Grey, that is what it was designed to be. It's a story that relies heavily on sex, as that is basically what the story is about. Mortal Kombat is not about sex. It's a fighting game that never really went too far with the sex up until MK9. And there was no good reason for it, either.

This isn't really about being afraid of sex. It's about objectifying women in all forms of media. The female characters of MK9 did NOTHING but walk around in as little clothing as possible while bringing nothing to the table story or character wise. Save for maybe Sindel. She was definitely trashy, but also important to the story.

As for Twilight... Well... That should be banned just for being so god damn awful and toxic to the minds of young desperate teenage girls. (and certain flaky middle aged single mothers)

Ah, well, I pretty much agree with you on everything, except for the objectification.

Many of the men were just as pointless in the story as the women were (Stryker, Kano, Kabal, Cage was about as pointless as Sonya was but those two are silghtly more important than the rest). The only difference is in that what the women were wearing, which was... trashy.

Then again, I fundamentally disagree with the idea of objectification.

Tbh, I was just baiting so I could use a "Didn't read" gif, but your post did not warrant that, unfortunately.

 

[Robert Glasel]

The problem with it is that there is a growing rejection for that marketing strategy. And since MK doesn't need to use sex as a selling point, they are only attracting negative attention that will eventually hurt the series.

Like I've said earlier in this thread, I am a very open minded person and believe in creative freedom. But sometimes people go too far with it and end up damaging their body of work.

As for Fifty Shades of Grey, that is what it was designed to be. It's a story that relies heavily on sex, as that is basically what the story is about. Mortal Kombat is not about sex. It's a fighting game that never really went too far with the sex up until MK9. And there was no good reason for it, either.

This isn't really about being afraid of sex. It's about objectifying women in all forms of media. The female characters of MK9 did NOTHING but walk around in as little clothing as possible while bringing nothing to the table story or character wise. Save for maybe Sindel. She was definitely trashy, but also important to the story.

As for Twilight... Well... That should be banned just for being so god damn awful and toxic to the minds of young desperate teenage girls. (and certain flaky middle aged single mothers)

I heard you want "realism" in a game about rainbow-paletted ninja cyborgs fighting alien humanoids from another dimension? Well, Mileena is a cannibal but she's always wearing so much more than General Buttnaked (an actual - modern - cannibal combatant!) and his crew would do when he was going into battle.

MK was always critcized for its "sexism" (and "racism" and what not). It's not new.

As I said, one can't possibly objectify an object, such as a fictional character in any video game. You sure can objectify people, such as how the personnel of Unit 731 would do to their human guinea pigs, infamously dehumanizing them as "logs" (maruta). But you can't objectify actual logs, or game characters, because they already are objects.

And you sure want to "ban" things you don't like. So progressive.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

I heard you want "realism" in a game about rainbow-paletted ninja cyborgs fighting alien humanoids from another dimension? Well, Mileena is a cannibal but she's always wearing so much more than General Buttnaked (an actual - modern - cannibal combatant!) and his crew would do when he was going into battle.

MK was always critcized for its "sexism" (and "racism" and what not). It's not new.

As I said, one can't possibly objectify an object, such as a fictional character in any video game. You sure can objectify people, such as how the personnel of Unit 731 would do to their human guinea pigs, infamously dehumanizing them as "logs" (maruta). But you can't objectify actual logs, or game characters, because they already are objects.

And you sure want to "ban" things you don't like. So progressive.

Phew. Thank God. I can finally walk away from this conversation. Everything you just said was obnoxious and steering away from what I actually said. Way to ignore and misinterpret everything I posted. Seriously, thank you. I couldn't be happier.

 

[Robert Glasel]

I go to a lot of cons as my fiance is part of a business that sells plushies at them... Most of the MK cosplayers I usually see, wear costumes from many of the earlier games. Reason being? These women aren't secure enough with their body types to wear the MK9 versions. And when you do see sexy women walking around like MK9 Mileena or Kitana, they are usually wearing a slightly modified version that will ensure their "parts" are covered every time they take a step. These women are also usually models or 'should be' models and more than likely have never played a video game in their life.

Also, I'm not the one throwing around the word "slut" left and right. I may have accidentally used it once or twice, but the man you're looking for on that subject is Tarkatan Trash.

In regards to Voldo, how many heterosexual straight men actually admit to playing as that character? Do you know how many times he shows up on "top X worst fighting game characters" lists? Often. Do you know that if you go to his urban dictionary page you will find this little beauty in his description:

"Like I said, most people don't use Voldo because he is creepy and if your friend sees you use Voldo you will have to convince him that you're not gay."

Also, Voldo isn't sexualized in the same way that say.... Mileena is. Voldo is an overall creepy and bizarre character. The number of people who are sexually turned on by him, is small.

DOA is a hot mess. Every time it is brought up around me I hear "The women in those games are disgusting." or you get someone like Nasty_freak who worships that sh**.



Ugh... How do I keep getting dragged back into this conversation.

Frankly, I've never seen any sort of gay panic about Voldo. And surely I didn't see any sort of an outrage (and I remember how Soul Edge went out, or Soul Blade as it was called here). No, I don't remember him in any "worst characters" list neither. Except http://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-best-and-worst-character-reboots-and-redesigns which is a tongue-in-cheek praise. In one Namco poll, 13% of Japanese players actually voted for Voldo as their favourite character in the series.

Zangief is one of the most known and most popular and most long-standing iconic SF characters. Did I miss any riots about his near-nakedness and crotch bulge? I must have.

Btw, Mileena is an "overall creepy and bizarre" character, or more specifically - an "overall creepy and bizarre" version of Kitana. She's NOT conventionally beautiful, she's a monster, she eats people (and "offended" people WERE whining about it in 1994). A more sexual Kitana (who's uptight) for the mainstream crowd is Jade (who's slutty and gay for Kitana). And there's a lot of cosplayers of MK2011 who are not "fake geek model" types. For example here's one recent fat Mileena: http://sevathe.deviantart.com/art/Phoenix-Comic-Con-2014-7-459913339

For DOA, it's getting a lot of unwarranted hate from tumblr types. It's even one of the very few fighting game series with female protagonists, and include MANY female characters, including those who are also a CEO of multi-billion international corporation, or a world-leading scientist, or a girl who has become a successful pop star against her father's wishes - in addition to being top-class fighters. If mainstream feminism was more sex-positive, they would be acclaiming this series as progressive. I actually remember one magazine in the late 1990s saying DOA is destined to make sexists angry. But the gaming press back then was different, the games were being attacked by the outside media, there was no corrupt collaboration in manufacturing outrage and no clickbait tactics (even with websites).

So, are SF and KOF fandoms also hating on Cammy or Mai these days? Because last time I checked, it was more like "no Mai no buy" (yes, sex sells that much, amd actually lacks of it can lead to a boycott meme).

Btw: https://twitter.com/noobde/status/492728931494002688 Scorpion is now VASTLY IMPROVED.

 

[Kitty_55]

If someone is wrong, they need to be told they are wrong. Personal experience alone doesn't say a whole lot. Competition could be weak and there are a lot of people who are not as good as they think they are.

Again, I love how opinions are seemed wrong in people's eyes when they are just opinions. And based on how my opinion states that she's weak, it somehow immediately implies that I either cannot play as her at all, or that I am finding her as a struggle, which neither are true, because I find her quite easy to play as.

Weak and low tier pretty much imply the same thing. You are saying that she has disadvantages that require the player to work harder against the rest of the cast when others have pointed out she isn't bad in the grand scheme of things.

Quit throwing words in my mouth because I never said anything about how I'm implying that people need to work hard with her. Many find Sindel to be a low tier, but I find her as a strong character. Does that mean I'm wrong because I find a character many don't play as a strong character? Is it because I know how to play as her and others don't? Should I call them out and say they don't know how to play as Sindel and anyone who thinks she's a terrible character should be condemned as wrong?

Please.

 

[FlawlessVictor]

Again, I love how opinions are seemed wrong in people's eyes when they are just opinions. And based on how my opinion states that she's weak, it somehow immediately implies that I either cannot play as her at all, or that I am finding her as a struggle, which neither are true, because I find her quite easy to play as.

Not all opinions are equally valid. Trying to blandly assert "it's just my opinion" doesn't do anything other than sound overly defensive. If you believe you are right, use facts to justify them.

Quit throwing words in my mouth because I never said anything about how I'm implying that people need to work hard with her. Many find Sindel to be a low tier, but I find her as a strong character. Does that mean I'm wrong because I find a character many don't play as a strong character? Is it because I know how to play as her and others don't? Should I call them out and say they don't know how to play as Sindel and anyone who thinks she's a terrible character should be condemned as wrong?

Please.

First of all, tiers have nothing to do with how easy it is to use a character. It has more to do with how many favorable matches a given character has over others when played at a high level. Not all players have the same aptitude with certain characters, thus not everyone is going automatically gravitate towards a high tier character. If you think Sindel is a stronger character than what others believe, then prove them wrong.

 

[smoke.tetsu]

I remember there was a time when someone on the internet was saying that the classic MK games where sexist because it's possible to pick a male character and beat up female characters. They made it sound like one could create a ladder of nothing but defenseless female characters and beat on them all day... and that's what everyone who plays MK was doing. They must have thought the M in MK really stood for Misogynist.

As for me, I wouldn't mind if the designs where less "trashy".... (which is a matter of opinion.. cultures who are less uptight wouldn't see it that way at all.. and fighters aren't exactly known for completely covering up either)... but some people wouldn't be happy unless they where all reduced to wearing burkas or something... no wait.. just the fact that they can be beat up is too much for some people.. female characters must be taken out completely to protect them.. But then there wouldn't be any which would anger yet another crowd! Like with the recent Assassin's Creed Unity thing.

 

[Kitty_55]

Not all opinions are equally valid. Trying to blandly assert "it's just my opinion" doesn't do anything other than sound overly defensive. If you believe you are right, use facts to justify them.

I never came into this thread to defend my stance on how powerful I feel a character is. I came in here with the intent on throwing out suggestions. How people found what I said to be wrong that is their problem. I shouldn't have to be defending my stance this long. If people disagree with what I said, then fine, disagree all you want. That's your stance on it.

But this long going argument is getting ridiculous. I'm repeating too many times about how it's my view on something, and that opinions are not supposed to represent facts. It's a view, and if people happen to disagree on it, so be it. But I'm getting annoyed that just one widdle saying about how I, again I found a character to be weak, some have a problem with it, without knowing how I play or anything like that. And yeah, I am getting defensive about this, because it's my view. I don't need hundreds of people telling me how to play a character that is not that hard to pick up, and telling me what I'm doing right and wrong. That's not how I've been playing Mortal Kombat for the last twenty-two years and it's certainly not going to start now.

First of all, tiers have nothing to do with how easy it is to use a character. It has more to do with how many favorable matches a given character has over others when played at a high level. Not all players have the same aptitude with certain characters, thus not everyone is going automatically gravitate towards a high tier character. If you think Sindel is a stronger character than what others believe, then prove them wrong.

I don't have to prove anyone wrong. If people say she's not that great, that is their view, and I won't have a long argument with them.

Can we finally be done? Or is there more stuff that needs to be said about how wrong I am? :banghead:

 

[BBBLP]

It's your opinion that she's weak.
It's my opinion that you don't know her tools or how to use them.


The reason people get antsy whenever they see talk like that is because people like you decide what gets patched. NRS loves to appeal to it's casual market by patching the game every month. Because lame asses don't know how to punish a special or how to use a character. Kano got nerfed to high hell in MK9. Scorpion got axed everywhere except where it mattered in Injustice.


If they just took a step back for a while and let things settle down, the scene would discover new techniques and strategies that fix the game themselves. Like Doomsday's Supernova attack. People were crying foul left and right about it, but NRS didn't do anything to change it (iirc). Players soon started realizing that you could just dash under and punish. Nobody has whined about it since.

 

[FlawlessVictor]

I never came into this thread to defend my stance on how powerful I feel a character is. I came in here with the intent on throwing out suggestions. How people found what I said to be wrong that is their problem. I shouldn't have to be defending my stance this long. If people disagree with what I said, then fine, disagree all you want. That's your stance on it.

But this long going argument is getting ridiculous. I'm repeating too many times about how it's my view on something, and that opinions are not supposed to represent facts. It's a view, and if people happen to disagree on it, so be it. But I'm getting annoyed that just one widdle saying about how I, again I found a character to be weak, some have a problem with it, without knowing how I play or anything like that. And yeah, I am getting defensive about this, because it's my view. I don't need hundreds of people telling me how to play a character that is not that hard to pick up, and telling me what I'm doing right and wrong. That's not how I've been playing Mortal Kombat for the last twenty-two years and it's certainly not going to start now.




I don't have to prove anyone wrong. If people say she's not that great, that is their view, and I won't have a long argument with them.

Can we finally be done? Or is there more stuff that needs to be said about how wrong I am? :banghead:

So you have the opinion, and does everyone else, including people who strongly disagree. The difference is you don't have anything to back your assertions. You are living in a utopian world if you think all opinions have equal value. So if someone assumes the world is flat, we should just accept it in spite of evidence to the contrary?

 

[creative name]

Lol okay how did one argument from another thread join the midst of another argument in this thread? Smh. Seriously, just make a debating thread or w/e.

ON-TOPIC, THOUGH: Mileena, I feel, is definitely going to make an appearance in MKX. Probably playable seeing as, like BBLP said, popular she was.