Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines

[Subz 711]

I'm sorry, but this theory just makes no sense at all. If NRS does it then fine, but that doesn't make it good writing. If Kuai can't come back because he's cyber (even though he is dead and that shouldn't matter wtf???) then Bi-Han shouldn't be able to come back either because he was not only turned into a different character entirely, but he was also blown up in the soulnado.

At least there was a figure of Kuai in the netherrealm to let us know he's there, and he's still Sub-Zero.

This "Soulnado" theory is just garbage though I'm sorry. If Bi-Han is somehow brought back a different way I may could accept it, but not this way.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

That fan idea stemmed from 2 factors.

1) Noob Saibot was not in Mythologies...even though both the Netherrealm and Shinnok, which were mentioned in his Trilogy bio & ending, were central to the Mythologies plot. Due to this being a prequel to MK1, Bi-Han was the Sub-Zero of this game.

2) Noob had Sub-Zero's Ice Shatter Fatality in the N64 port of MK4. At the time, Noob was not known at all to have any shed of cryomancer abilities, which made this a HUGE red flag.

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I figured as much.

So did a fan write in to midway about their idea and they tipped their hats or what? That's what I can't remember.

 

[Commander]

I'm sorry, but this theory just makes no sense at all. If NRS does it then fine, but that doesn't make it good writing. If Kuai can't come back because he's cyber (even though he is dead and that shouldn't matter wtf???) then Bi-Han shouldn't be able to come back either because he was not only turned into a different character entirely, but he was also blown up in the soulnado.

At least there was a figure of Kuai in the netherrealm to let us know he's there, and he's still Sub-Zero.

This "Soulnado" theory is just garbage though I'm sorry. If Bi-Han is somehow brought back a different way I may could accept it, but not this way.

He wasn't blow up in the Soulnado he was kicked into it, then it disappeared into the sky.
The Soulnado didn't blow up until after he was already in the sky.
Noob could very well be alive.
If you decide to ignore MK9 and keep going with the whole Deception "Scorpion survived and was transported in the Soulnado," then the same can be for with Sub-Zero.
If it's good enough for the goose, then it's good enough for the gander.

True, but Bi-Han wasn't confirmed dead.

It's "garbage" to you, but there are other people on this forum who think that it's a viable way for him to come back.
Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it's garbage.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

This "Soulnado" theory is just garbage though I'm sorry. If Bi-Han is somehow brought back a different way I may could accept it, but not this way.

How is it garbage? You act as though a soulnado is a real life thing with real life rules behind it. There is more evidence supporting his survival through the soulnado than not.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

I figured as much.

So did a fan write in to midway about their idea and they tipped their hats or what? That's what I can't remember.

That's a good question to ask Boon, and more likely Vogel. They probably read internet message boards regarding this theory. I don't remember it being very widespread, but I did read on an MKD walkthrough on GameFAQs that a few months prior to the release of Deception, someone brought up this theory on an MK fansite message board and got flamed for it, and as it turns out, Deception was the game that dropped the Noob Saibot bombshell.

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[Legendary-Scorpion]

I wonder if Cyber Sub will come back with some kind of memory wipe (he is a cyborg ninja so perhaps it could happen) so he ends up taking another name or something and develops more mechanical moves infused with Cyber Sub's cryomancer abilities. Just an idea.

 

[Subz 711]

How is it garbage? You act as though a soulnado is a real life thing with real life rules behind it. There is more evidence supporting his survival through the soulnado than not.

It's garbage because the people who support it can't even agree on how it works.

1. Some people say Bi-Han and Noob Saibot are different entities. They say when Noob is removed from Bi-Han then Bi-Han could be purified. That means Bi-Han would be good. As in Kuai Liang good. The whole reason some of you want Bi-Han is because he's evil or I'm sorry "badass".

2. Some people say Noob Saibot and Bi-Han could be separated, but the evil wouldn't leave Bi-Han. I don't even know how that would work.

3. Some people say that Scorpion and Noob are both created by "symbiote" demons being placed on them. So, why didn't the soulnado split Scorpion from Hanzo?

4. Some people use Boon's tweet saying there's Noob and there's Saibot as proof that Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot. So, which is Bi-Han? Noob or Saibot?

5. Some say that maybe the Elder gods pulled him out of the soulnado like they did Scorpion. Why would they do that though? He royally pissed them off in mythologies. Also these same people say other things from the old timeline won't happen now. Why is Bi-Han special?

People of both of the first two theories say that Noob Saibot could survive and attach himself to another. Why wouldn't the soulnado destroy Noob? It's supposed to be completely pure.

The only reason Scorpion ever survived was because the Elder Gods saved him. His DA ending showed he would have been destroyed by the pureness of it otherwise.

This theory just does not add up. I'm sorry, that's why I see it as garbage.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

I really don't see any reason the Elder Gods would save the skin of the one who came dangerously close to letting Shinnok out of the Netherrealm.

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[ErmacX]

It's garbage because the people who support it can't even agree on how it works.

1. Some people say Bi-Han and Noob Saibot are different entities. They say when Noob is removed from Bi-Han then Bi-Han could be purified. That means Bi-Han would be good. As in Kuai Liang good. The whole reason some of you want Bi-Han is because he's evil or I'm sorry "badass".

2. Some people say Noob Saibot and Bi-Han could be separated, but the evil wouldn't leave Bi-Han. I don't even know how that would work.

3. Some people say that Scorpion and Noob are both created by "symbiote" demons being placed on them. So, why didn't the soulnado split Scorpion from Hanzo?

4. Some people use Boon's tweet saying there's Noob and there's Saibot as proof that Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot. So, which is Bi-Han? Noob or Saibot?

5. Some say that maybe the Elder gods pulled him out of the soulnado like they did Scorpion. Why would they do that though? He royally pissed them off in mythologies. Also these same people say other things from the old timeline won't happen now. Why is Bi-Han special?

People of both of the first two theories say that Noob Saibot could survive and attach himself to another. Why wouldn't the soulnado destroy Noob? It's supposed to be completely pure.

The only reason Scorpion ever survived was because the Elder Gods saved him. His DA ending showed he would have been destroyed by the pureness of it otherwise.

This theory just does not add up. I'm sorry, that's why I see it as garbage.

You point out mistakes, but it's not enough to annul the theory. First, no one says Bi-Han would be good, it's just said he would go back to be who he was. Who is he now? He is the corrupted soul of Bi-Han, perverted by the impurity of the Netherrealm, that introduces a new entity, Noob Saibot.
About the evil not being taken away from Bi-Han, it's because the characther es evil yes or yes, he managed to be in the Netherrealm at MK: Mythologies because he has evil within. He is Noob Saibot only because he died and was somewhat of resurrected by Quan Chi.
Scorpion and Noob are not equal, and it has never been confirmed Noob is a kind of symbiote.
The Elder Gods has, at least, less reasons to pull Scorpion out of the Soulnado than Bi-Han. Think about it twice. The only reason they choosed Scorpion was because he is a "great warrior" (never demostrated in all the MKs' storys), and they could save him, as for have him in debt with them. Bi-Han has demostrated being a great warrior, as Sub-Zero, defeating Scorpion, Quan Chi and Shinnok, and as Noob, leading the Brotherhood of Shadow. Do you remember that the inmediate next great threat to the Elder Gods at the time Noob was thrown at the Soulnado is Shinnok? If you can pick up a warrior to defeat Shinnok, it has some logic to pick someone who has a record of victory against that enemy.

Knowing that Noob and Saibot does not reffer to the same person (being Noob the Warrior [and Bi-Han] and Saibot it's shadow), and, if you remember the MKAr ending of Noob, you realize the posibility of Noob and Bi-Han coexisting as different characters, though I'm not interested in that theory.

Sayin' this theory is garbage it's just mental lazyness.

But, taking in count how much Boon left Sub-Zero aside, and has no real interest in this character, I would bet my money that this Sub-Zero is a new one.

 

[Commander]

I really don't see any reason the Elder Gods would save the skin of the one who came dangerously close to letting Shinnok out of the Netherrealm.

Because those events never happened in MK9, and MK X has nothing to do with the original timeline.

If you're going with that original bullshit timeline theory, though, why wouldn't the elder gods bring back the 1 character that originally defeated Shinnok in MKM:SZ, Bi-Han?

 

[Taj Gill]

Because those events never happened in MK9, and MK X has nothing to do with the original timeline. If you're going with that original bullshit timeline theory, though, why wouldn't the elder gods bring back the 1 character that originally defeated Shinnok in MKM:SZ, Bi-Han?

Not disagreeing with your point Jorge but it did happen in the new timeline, Raiden commented on it right after Scorpion killed him in Story Mode.

 

[Subz 711]

Because those events never happened in MK9, and MK X has nothing to do with the original timeline.

If you're going with that original bullshit timeline theory, though, why wouldn't the elder gods bring back the 1 character that originally defeated Shinnok in MKM:SZ, Bi-Han?

Because theoretically he could do that same shit as Noob Saibot? In fact that's what his ending in MK 9 shows him doing.

He does not have to have the name Sub-Zero to oppose Shinnok. Noob Saibot's ending shows he may be in line to do this already

This whole theory is a convoluted mess just so Bi-Han can have the name Sub-Zero. Again, I'm not saying it won't happen because this is NRS.

The same NRS who said Nightwolf had to perform a ritual to enter the netherrealm in Deception, but turn around and have his soul end up in the Netherrealm in MK9 along with all of Earth's Forces of LIGHT. There's no reason for it either besides Shao promised them to Quan. Except, how does he even do that? It's just bad writing. The soulnado should not be able to do this period. It's not a good theory. My main reason is because I don't see Noob Saibot and Bi-Han as different entities. However, there are so many more points which show it wouldn't work.

 

[Commander]

Not disagreeing with your point Jorge but it did happen in the new timeline, Raiden commented on it right after Scorpion killed him in Story Mode.

Sub-Zero almost let Shinnok out of the NetherRealm?
No, that never was mentioned in MK9.

"Despite my efforts, my vision has come to pass.
An unfortunate end.
He once defended Earthrealm from the Netherrealm armies of Shinnok and Quan Chi."

Nowhere there does it say that because of Bi-Han, Shinnok almost escaped the Netherrealm in MK9.
This also leans more in my favor of the debate.

If Shinnok and Quan Shi were defeated by Bi-Han before, why wouldn't the elder gods make him their champion, to defeat Shinnok and Quan Chi once again, in MK X???
Makes total sense, IMO, especially given that Shinnok and Quan Chi were poised to take over Earthrealm with their Netherrealm armies at the end of MK9.

 

[Taj Gill]

Sub-Zero almost freed Shinnok out of the NetherRealm?
No, that never was mentioned in MK9.



Nowhere there does it say that because of Bi-Han, Shinnok almost escaped the Netherrealm in MK9.
This also leans more in my favor of the debate.

If Shinnok and Quan Shi were defeated by Bi-Han before, why wouldn't the elder gods make him their champion, to defeat Shinnok and Quan Chi once again, in MK X???
Makes total sense, IMO, especially given that Shinnok and Quan Chi were poised to take over Earthrealm with their Netherrealm armies at the end of MK9.

To be fair, I was mentioning it in context of the fact that he got all the Elements for Quan Chi, as well as the Amulet, and if it hadn't been for him going to the Netherrealm to fight, then yeah Shinnok would've definitely been free.

But I agree that the Soulnado theory and the Elder Gods making Bi-Han Subby again makes sense. It may be shitty, but given what we've been given so far, that's the most probable outcome if it's going to be one of the two Brothers returning as HUMAN Sub-Zero. You can argue the whole glowing eyes thing for Kuai, but I really believe that's just NRS or whoever made the trailer adding that in just for added effect. We've all seen what Cyrax looks when he's "reverted" back to a human in MK:Gold and MKA.

I still won't accept a new Sub-Zero unless NRS do yet ANOTHER retcon.

I know this is a long shot, but my ideal scenario is that Kuai became human again... Somehow, someway. Then, Noob and Scorpion BOTH learn of Quan Chi's treachery, and then ALL THREE OF THEM TEAM UP! That would be an epic fangasm for me. But the problem is, current Noob is selfish and wants to rule, so I don't know how they would get him to turn good. Unless Scorpion and Kuai do a Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader thing to Noob.

 

[Subz 711]

To be fair, I was mentioning it in context of the fact that he got all the Elements for Quan Chi, as well as the Amulet, and if it hadn't been for him going to the Netherrealm to fight, then yeah Shinnok would've definitely been free.

But I agree that the Soulnado theory and the Elder Gods making Bi-Han Subby again makes sense. It may be shitty, but given what we've been given so far, that's the most probable outcome if it's going to be one of the two Brothers returning as HUMAN Sub-Zero. You can argue the whole glowing eyes thing for Kuai, but I really believe that's just NRS or whoever made the trailer adding that in just for added effect. We've all seen what Cyrax looks when he's "reverted" back to a human in MK:Gold and MKA.

I still won't accept a new Sub-Zero unless NRS do yet ANOTHER retcon.

I know this is a long shot, but my ideal scenario is that Kuai became human again... Somehow, someway. Then, Noob and Scorpion BOTH learn of Quan Chi's treachery, and then ALL THREE OF THEM TEAM UP! That would be an epic fangasm for me. But the problem is, current Noob is selfish and wants to rule, so I don't know how they would get him to turn good. Unless Scorpion and Kuai do a Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader thing to Noob.

Idk if we will ever see them all as best buddies, but if Noob wants to take over the netherrealm then he has to go through Shinnok. Since, Scorps and Subz want to take out Shinnok's right hand man Quan Chi theoretically they would all be teaming together. I wouldn't see them as friends by any means, but more like a "Yeah, we have to team up let's get this shit over with" kinda thing.

 

[Taj Gill]

Yeah, that would work too, they don't have to be enemies after, but uneasy allies or neutral/indifferent to each other. I would really love to see that.

 

[Commander]

Since, Scorps and Subz want to take out Shinnok's right hand man Quan Chi theoretically they would all be teaming together. I wouldn't see them as friends by any means, but more like a "Yeah, we have to team up let's get this shit over with" kinda thing.

Agreed.
If Scorpion and Sub-Zero take out Quan Chi, once and for all, it'll be a type of team-up where they are uncomfortable with being around each other, but do it for the sake of taking out a common enemy.

 

[Reman]

Agreed.
If Scorpion and Sub-Zero take out Quan Chi, once and for all, it'll be a type of team-up where they are uncomfortable with being around each other, but do it for the sake of taking out a common enemy.

I'm pretty sure that everybody who will be revived and taken out of Quan Chi's control will want revenge too(notice how I say who will be, not everybody) . A huge alliance may be in order to take down Quan Chi and then Shinnok. Just a guess.

 

[Commander]

I'm pretty sure that everybody who will be revived and taken out of Quan Chi's control will want revenge too(notice how I say who will be, not everybody) . A huge alliance may be in order to take down Quan Chi and then Shinnok. Just a guess.

Not really.
Scorpion and Sub-Zero can just do it themselves.

"He once defended Earthrealm from the Netherrealm armies of Shinnok and Quan Chi."

 

[Subz 711]

Agreed.
If Scorpion and Sub-Zero take out Quan Chi, once and for all, it'll be a type of team-up where they are uncomfortable with being around each other, but do it for the sake of taking out a common enemy.

Yeah except me and you are thinking of 2 different Sub-Zero's. I personally want to see Kuai rip Sektor's head off in this game. Walk in as a human and be like "You look like you've seen a ghost Sektor".lol.

Plus, I'm with Taj. I want to see Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Noob Saibot all team up. Then in the end Noob can be like "Thanks for helping me take over the netherrealm assholes, I still hate both of you."lol