Injustice Discussion Thread

[AMES32]

Yeah but if you cater to just casuals you'll miss out on the people that are going to keep your game alive for more then a few months... And yeah you can have bane but what can he do that Grundy already doesn't do? Then you get into Deadshot, Deathstroke, Joker, Harley Quinn, Jason Todd, Hush, Two Face, Red Hood and Black Mask all characters whom use guns how many different ways is there to shoot a gun? And you said Ra's is a master swordsmen well so is deathstroke.. And even catwoman uses The same acrobatic fighting style as Grayson does.

And I highly doubt someone is going to pass on getting the game just because they don't know who Black Adam is. And If that's the case they weren't going to pick it up anyways..

 

[PrinceScorpion]

The game is called Injustice Gods Among us and there really hasn't been an indication this game has to be DC All-Stars or something. The roster could have 10 Batman characters, it could only have DC core characters (meaning no V, Constantine, Watchmen) or it could have presentation from all the DC branches. It could even miss Green Lantern to make room for someone like Vibe for all we know.

Casual crowd is what sells a game. If NRS tries to sell this game with characters like Captain Cold or Black Adam many will just move on because they don't know or care about characters. Especially when many say Injustice looks like MK9 clone. When Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 was announced Ghost Rider was the Marvel hero getting almost all the attention and no doubt being a huge seller.

You want diversity but what prevents Batman-centric roster from being varied? Two-Face masters handguns, Bane is a lot more agile than Grundy, Poison Ivy can do pretty much anything with her flowers, Mr Freeze masters the element of ice and Ra's is a skilled swordsman.

It really comes down to what sort of fighter NRS wants to do, who do they want. You can say it's stupid for Batman fans want to focus Batman but that's the reality. Batman has a huge momentum going for him, has had more or less for decades. I would say there's a reason why Batman and his roques are the big one, it wasn't just an accident and executives pushing him. Being a Batman fan is no worse than being a DC fan.

Spot on sir, although I do wish they'd make space for a few lesser known characters and revamp them a bit for this generation but I ain't getting my hopes up too much...I'll probably be happy either way really

 

[prpletrltle]

Yeah but if you cater to just casuals you'll miss out on the people that are going to keep your game alive for more then a few months... And yeah you can have bane but what can he do that Grundy already doesn't do? Then you get into Deadshot, Deathstroke, Joker, Harley Quinn, Jason Todd, Hush, Two Face, Red Hood and Black Mask all characters whom use guns how many different ways is there to shoot a gun? And you said Ra's is a master swordsmen well so is deathstroke.. And even catwoman uses The same acrobatic fighting style as Grayson does.

And I highly doubt someone is going to pass on getting the game just because they don't know who Black Adam is. And If that's the case they weren't going to pick it up anyways..

Lately the long-term activity hasn't really mattered to developers. NRS is an exception but MK9 didn't exactly sell because of the roster.

In most fighting games like Tekken or Street Fighter there aren't much differences between characters. One character throws hadoukens and other one kikokens. The same is true even in Mortal Kombat. They have a few archetypes and different half-classes and variations. In Injustice that could mean that while Grundy is the slow and clumsy tank that relies on heavy slams Bane is more athletic, a bit faster and a lot more technical fighter. It's quite clear that Grundy and Bane don't fight the same way anyway, the other one is a huge zombie while the other one could be a professional wrestler but is also superbly smart.

Surely they wouldn't add all the gun users you listed, but there could easily be 2 or 3 or even a bit more. Joker isn't just about guns, he's more about all the prank gadgets. Two-Face could be the real slow but resourceful gun user wielding sawn-offs, tommy guns and even a rocket launcher. Harley Quinn and Deathstroke could be something in between. Deathstroke is a capable sword-user, but they could differentiate Ra's by giving him all the schmitars, throwing knives and the other ancient weapons as well as some magical properties or chemicals.

Again, it really comes down to what sort of game NRS wants. Do they want every character to be wildly different or do they go for a roster that fills the caps and lets you find your perfect mix.


EDIT: This reminds me that someone once suggested that there should be 2 Marvel fighting games: One that focuses on hand-to-hand specialists like Daredevil and Iron Fist while another one focuses on the crazy super from Thor to Magneto.
I wouldn't mind if Injustice tried to include both of them in one. On the left side of character select you have all the crazy ones from Superman to Green Lantern while the right side has the more down-to-earth ones from Batman to Nightwing.

 

[Metal Overlord]

prpletrltle, I love you right now for that statement

People act like every Batman character will be the same if they get in or something

 

[Sky Valley]

MvC3 was mostly made up of Xmen characters on the marvel side.(never liked that) So after that game, it proves you can get away with having a roster containing alot of characters from one franchise.


I dont want alot of batman characters in here though. Not because I think there are better characters than batman characters, of course not lol. Batman kicks everyone elses ass. I just want a separate batman fighter and if they put alot of batman characters in Injustice, that would slim the already unlikely possiblilty that they would make a batman fighter.

 

[AMES32]

That's what I don't get. Why if you're going to give Batman Half the roster didn't they just kick the other heroes out and make this a Batman game? I mean why add Superman and Wonder Woman only to have them under represented to show case batman and his rouges gallery? It makes no sense to me.

 

[Sky Valley]

That's what I don't get. Why if you're going to give Batman Half the roster didn't they just kick the other heroes out and make this a Batman game? I mean why add Superman and Wonder Woman only to have them under represented to show case batman and his rouges gallery? It makes no sense to me.

Now I actually do like some DC characters. I'm no huge comic book fan. But I like them. But if the game is mostly made up of batman characters I'll end up saying :

"these other DC guys are cool and all, but they really dont fit and I kinda dont need them tbh. Just give me more batman characters"

And that right there is a problem. Like I said, I prefer Batman and his crew over the rest of DC. And if the game is filled with batman characters, I'll sadly end up not really caring for the rest of them as much in comparison.


But whatever. I guess I maybe overdoing it. Even if the roster is made up of alot of batman characters, I guess I should just be thankfull that theres finally a fighter that features kickass batman characters. Cause a game like this doesnt come around very often.

 

[rikolaw]

same ol'crap....

 

[Ice Chemical]

I would prefer a Batman fighting game over a DC fighting game so I'd like if half of the roster was Batman. Anyway if Bane is too samey with Grundy would that mean there would be just 1 tank character?

you make some valid points but you a soooo bias towards batman. This is NOT a batman fighting game it is a DC fighting game.

The game is not called

"Injustice: Batman characters Among Us"

 

[prpletrltle]

That's what I don't get. Why if you're going to give Batman Half the roster didn't they just kick the other heroes out and make this a Batman game? I mean why add Superman and Wonder Woman only to have them under represented to show case batman and his rouges gallery? It makes no sense to me.

Why should it be either or? I'm sure that whatever NRS went for they had a reason to do it.

It could be that Superman, Wonder Woman and others are bigger than Humpty Dumpty, Mad Hatter etc.
It could be that they want thematic roster. Superman vs Gotham? Bright vs dark? Crazed superheroes vs the worlds greatest detective?
It could be that they want the supernaturals vs "realistics". Or some other reason.

I think some are bit overreacting about the numbers of Batman. Sure I'd love a Batman fighter too, but in the end once the game has Batman, Nightwing/Robin, Joker, Catwoman, Bane, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, Riddler, Penguin, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Harley Quinn and perhaps 2 or 3 more the game would practically already have all the biggest ones and further additions would get more and more marginal. I'd like Killer Moth but he wouldn't exactly sell more copies.

Just to be clear I don't expect Injustice to have many more Batman characters. Looking at the character select I'd say there are obvious spots for Joker and Catwoman and that's probably it. The rest are probably for Black Canary, Green Arrow etc. darker closer-to-earth characters from other DC. But I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed if there were more Batman characters. Seeing how the right side would only have 6 slots I'd easily see Poison Ivy, Mr.Freeze, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, Penguin and/or Two-Face filling the list. 6 major DC characters that have huge potential for movesets.

@Ice Chemical: You are right I'm biased, but the title doesn't have DC in it either. Really can't be certain what the game will be like. Will V or someone from Watchmen be there?
Besides if we really start to disect the name, "Gods among US" implies that there are gods amongst some mass of crowd. It could mean us gamers, or just be a generic name emphasising how godly all the superheroes are in DC universe, but I could also see it meaning the population of Gotham. I don't know if it's just me but Brainiac-controlled superheroes attacking Gotham and other cities and forcing Batman to work with his villains sounds like an awesome idea to me.

 

[rikolaw]

If you include the injustice league we might be looking at more "batman" villains than expected since they cross over.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I mean why add Superman and Wonder Woman only to have them under represented to show case batman and his rouges gallery? It makes no sense to me.

Batman has a large, strong cast of characters that are not only unique and varied for the most part, but also the characters are by far the most popular as far as DC is concerned. So it makes a lot of sense why NRS would draw from that pool more than others.

Also about the underrepresented part... lol, dude, you really have to look at the bigger picture here. While I'm sure that there are a lot of underrated gems in DC's history that NRS would like to showcase in Injustice, they aren't trying to make the DC National Museum here. Their overall goal is to make a good DC fighting game, and also to have a sizeable cast of unique characters. Nowhere does it say that giving every represented series an equal amount of representation with unique characters is the only way to achieve that, nor would having a lot of Batman characters hinder that in ways that really matter. Scarecrow, Poison Ivy and Ra's Al Ghul can provide a unique gameplay experience in Injustice just like I'm certain Black Adam and a lot of these other characters I see mentioned in here can provide.

Now, with that said, I personally would love to be introduced to some cool characters from other DC series that I don't know about in a game like Injustice, which brings me to my next point, or rather, the point I brought up earlier.

They're trying to make a good DC fighting game, something we haven't really seen in the past, which I'm sure you already know. So, with that in mind, they're trying to actually get the word out that this isn't just another mediocre licensed superhero game and make people genuinely interested in what they have to offer with Injustice. This is why they put "From the creators of Mortal Kombat" line in the trailers, to let people know they mean business with this game, and also you could easily say this is why they may put a good chunk of Batman characters in compared to other DC series, because like I said, they're obviously the most popular and well-liked of all of them. I mean, Nightwing and Harley Quinn are pretty kickass, and so are fighting games (good ones, at least). Who wouldn't want to see these two combined?

Speaking only on my behalf here, the thought of seeing some of my favorite comic book characters in a good fighting game makes me a hell of a lot more excited than just seeing a good DC fighting game. So, they're trying to give people like me, who aren't big on comic books, a reason to actually care about this game

 

[Metal Overlord]

EDIT: duplicate post hurrrrrr

 

[AMES32]

and that's what I have a problem with. they seem to be catering to people that know Nothing about the characters outside of batman. The casual Dc fans who see characters like Black Adam and see a guy in an all black leotard and say he's not really as cool as Ral's. But have no Idea he was once a proud hero who lost his family and after thousands of years went mad and turned into what he hated most. Then During WW3 he killed two titans and took on the entire country of China, took out their top 10 heroes and still took on the entire JLA by himself or see Captain Marvel and say he's corny, but haven't the slightest clue as to how he got his powers or that he's an orphan who still had the willpower to be a hero or how Brainiac destroyed krypton and helped make Kell-El into superman.

I love batman and would like to see Jason Todd, Damien and Azreal but I think others are just as deserving for a spot as they are.

 

[rikolaw]

and that's what I have a problem with. they seem to be catering to people that know Nothing about the characters outside of batman. QUOTE]


@Ames32: Didn't you say in a thread that you only bought MK9 because Kratos was in it? (Please excuse me if I miss quoted you)

This is exactly what NRS is trying to do with their character selection, they want to make sales on this one so that NRS can branch out into other games; why wouldn't they give the people what they are familiar with? They are not trying to inspire you to go buy more comics, they want you to buy their game - this is why a lot of DC talent will be passed up for more known names....

 

[AMES32]

@Ames32: Didn't you say in a thread that you only bought MK9 because Kratos was in it? (Please excuse me if I miss quoted you)

This is exactly what NRS is trying to do with their character selection, they want to make sales on this one so that NRS can branch out into other games; why wouldn't they give the people what they are familiar with? They are not trying to inspire you to go buy more comics, they want you to buy their game - this is why a lot of DC talent will be passed up for more known names....

Yes. But see where it's different in this situation is I knew about The Mk universe before hand. Not as indepth as the majority of you guys do. But I knew there was more to Mk then just Scorpion and Sub Zero. I knew about the tournament, Goro, Raiden and how shao Kahn took the throne from Onaga and how he merged outworld with Edenia and his relationship with sindel.

 

[BBBLP]

There are going to be mainly recognizable faces with a few oddballs thrown in there. Has to be. Not every character needs to be a show stopping comic cover icon. Sheeva was in MK9 and nobody gives a damn about Sheeva except for maybe 54 people on this planet. So there is still hope for the lesser knowns. Fingers crossed for V still.

 

[Goddess]

Well, a lot of people aren't big Batman fans. My favorite hero(ine) is Wonder Woman so I don't really care for the rest of the roster (just giving you guys my POV on this). However, like I keep saying, it's still too early to think the game is going to be made of up like 10 Batman characters. We just need to wait and see what other characters they release.

Patience is key here.

 

[rikolaw]

Yes. But see where it's different in this situation is I knew about The Mk universe before hand. Not as indepth as the majority of you guys do. But I knew there was more to Mk then just Scorpion and Sub Zero. I knew about the tournament, Goro, Raiden and how shao Kahn took the throne from Onaga and how he merged outworld with Edenia and his relationship with sindel.

Ah I see, but it's not so different, a lot of us have the same level of DC knowledge as you had MK; we are just waiting on the character we want to main to confirm the purchase and sweeten the deal. I have a lot of hope for lesser know characters as well but I know a lot of these slots will probably be limited - I'm thinking 5 at the most.

@BBBLP I have a gut feeling that V will be in the game, even if it's a DLC - I have seen his name thrown around the internet. way too many times for him not to be in

 

[Jade]

Yeah but if you cater to just casuals you'll miss out on the people that are going to keep your game alive for more then a few months... And yeah you can have bane but what can he do that Grundy already doesn't do? Then you get into Deadshot, Deathstroke, Joker, Harley Quinn, Jason Todd, Hush, Two Face, Red Hood and Black Mask all characters whom use guns how many different ways is there to shoot a gun? And you said Ra's is a master swordsmen well so is deathstroke.. And even catwoman uses The same acrobatic fighting style as Grayson does.

And I highly doubt someone is going to pass on getting the game just because they don't know who Black Adam is. And If that's the case they weren't going to pick it up anyways..

Just because they shoot guns doesn't mean they have to.

Harley Quinn, for example, can use a hammer.

Also, just because the characters have certain characteristics about them (like certain weapons they normally use) doesn't mean NRS can't get a little creative and make up some new moves/weapons that are a good reflection of the character.

In other words, NRS, add the Riddler, plz =)


Also, it is easier to sell a game when it has faces a lot of people know. If it is a game where most of the characters are only known to people who are bigger fans and read the comics, it wont grab the attention of anyone else. I think at least some unknowns should be left for DLC.