Your wishlist of Characters from MK4-MKA, prototypes, glitched and new for MK10

[Commander]

@Araknyd- It seems like we're coming from two different perspectives, you're talking about him from a gameplay POV while I'm talking about him from a character design/story POV

Story-wise = I thought it was kind of neat how he aged and showed maturity as the game went on, and got wiser as a warrior.
It's cool that he learned LESSONS from the other MK warriors, which brings me to my next point.

Gameplay = He didn't add anything new, TO ME, that Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Raiden and Liu Kang didn't already have.

Instead of stealing the ice freeze from Sub-Zero, he could have learned to manipulate ice or water and adapt a move from that.
Instead of stealing Scorpion's spear, maybe he could have learned how to use the sword or control fire.
Instead of stealing the bicycle kick from Liu Kang, maybe he could have learned or adapted a different type of kick of his own.
Instead of stealing the torpedo move from Raiden, maybe he could have learned to parry or teleport instead.

 

[BBBLP]

The alternate timeline was necessary because the story of Armageddon was garbage. The main plotline of Deception was great, the individual character development was weak. Everything was horrible in Arm was terrible. Hopefully this time through they are able to revamp the post UMK3 losers into something great. They ALL have tremendous potential. I and others have made great stories for all or at least most of them. So I have hope that a veteran like Vogel will be able to do the same.

 

[Subz 711]

This is what NRS needs to do for MK10. I wouldn't say they screwed up the alternate timeline, instead they opened up a really good oppurtunity to progress the story in a new, fresh direction. Plus it's not all that difficult to revamp or develop those characters as you put it, just have a look at the fanfiction section of this site, if we fans can come up such great ideas with not too much effort, I'm sure NRS can come up with something better with the creative talent and resources they have. They just need to have that willingness to step into a new direction.

The thing is a lot of these fanfics revolve around taking and changing a character completely from who they are so that they fit, and when doing that you might as well just add a new character. Most of them, not ALL.

Also, another problem I have with this is that most fighting games have a core set of characters that are in every game. I know some of you guys are going to say Well there's a lot left to work with, but I'm telling you Reptile, Sheeva, Kano, Baraka, none of them are going to get the attention that most think. They never have, and in MK9 they had the chance to change that, but they didn't.

So realistically We have Raiden, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Scorpion, and MAYBE Ermac and Cyrax to work with. That's it though. I don't know I probably just disagree with you guys, but bringing in a sh**load of those characters and trying to make them work is just going to flop in my opinion. They need a good core group of about 15 to 20 of their classics and then bring in about 10 to 15 of the 3D era characters. As of right now they don't have that.

Also I really only see a few of these characters worth exploring, I'm much like Araknyd in that aspect.
My perfect roster for the next game is:

Scorpion
Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) Cyber or not as much as I hate cyber
Raiden
Sonya
Johnny Cage
Jade (Woman in her ending revives her)
Smoke (escapes Quan using his demon form)
Sektor
Cyrax
Ermac
Liu Kang (Quan Chi and Shinnok's puppet)
Mileena
Noob Saibot
Rain
Skarlet
Quan Chi
Kenshi
(3D ERA)
Fujin
Tanya
Reiko
Kai
Sareena
Li Mei
Mavado
Bo Rai Cho
Nitara
Frost
Ashrah
Havik
Hotaru

Sub-bosses:
Drahmin
Moloch

Boss: Shinnok

I think that this would be the perfect cast for the next game.

 

[Metal Overlord]

The MK1-MK3 period of the original timeline I would say was the weakest storyline-wise anyway, MK4 and Deadly Alliance is where the real meat of the storyline starts to show up, so I have high hopes for this new timeline

 

[AMES32]

To me it doesn't say they're doing anything productive storywise.

It's okay that you think that, but you should really wait to see what changes come next before saying they haven't changed anything. When in all actuality they may have not changed the classic story much; The 3D games are going to be completely retold, Because the Deadly Alliance isn't going to happen, no Shang Tsung. So the massive amounts change you're wanting will surely come in Mk10.

 

[BBBLP]

Reptile, Baraka and Kabal are some of the most popular characters of the franchise despite having very little story development

 

[Subz 711]

It's okay that you think that, but you should really wait to see what changes come next before saying they haven't changed anything. When in all actuality they may have not changed the classic story much; The 3D games are going to be completely retold, Because the Deadly Alliance isn't going to happen, no Shang Tsung. So the massive amounts change you're wanting will surely come in Mk10.

More Like MK11. Shinnok is going to be the boss in MKX. They set that up already with the end of MK9. So Shinnok and Quan Chi are still going to be bosses this time around. And we don't even know if Shang Tsung doesn't exist anymore. NRS could easily write him to show back up. In fact I hope he does because that was pretty anticlimactic of a death for the first boss of MK if you ask me. Shang deserves much more.

 

[Subz 711]

Reptile, Baraka and Kabal are some of the most popular characters of the franchise despite having very little story development

Meh, not really. Yeah you can say they're popular but on themortalkombat.com they are only 14,15, and 17 respectively. Of course that's higher than my girl Jade at 18, but I'm going to say her low rank is just a result of complete sh** gameplay, and lack of story they gave her.

Still none are in the top 10 favorites. and Kabal's not even in top 15.

 

[Commander]

Reptile, Baraka and Kabal are some of the most popular characters of the franchise despite having very little story development

Reptile is a the only good example of those 3, because he feels like a lost cause.
It's 2012 and they STILL don't have him grounded as a solid character.

Baraka got more story involvement this time, even though it was still limited, and Kabal got his own chapter in MK9.

And we don't even know if Shang Tsung doesn't exist anymore. NRS could easily write him to show back up. In fact I hope he does because that was pretty anticlimactic of a death for the first boss of MK if you ask me. Shang deserves much more.

All of the deaths in MK9, from Chapter 12 thru 17, were pretty anti-climactic IMO.

Sindel killing everyone???
cough*bullshit*cough

 

[BBBLP]

I never take polls seriously, neither should you.
Are you honestly going to tell me that Reptile isn't top ten in MK popularity?


Kabal and Raka may not appear in as many games, but you seldom see a character receive as much praise as they do. Their supply of haters is very limited

 

[Subz 711]

I never take polls seriously, neither should you.
Are you honestly going to tell me that Reptile isn't top ten in MK popularity?


Kabal and Raka may not appear in as many games, but you seldom see a character receive as much praise as they do. Their supply of haters is very limited

Yes, I really am because that's official plays that the character has had, it's not some random poll. It's actual gameplay statistics. The amount of times a character has been played. So, yes I am going to tell you that.

Just because some hardcore fans may like Reptile, Baraka, and Kabal does not mean that they are in the top favorite characters of MK.

 

[AMES32]

More Like MK11. Shinnok is going to be the boss in MKX. They set that up already with the end of MK9. So Shinnok and Quan Chi are still going to be bosses this time around. And we don't even know if Shang Tsung doesn't exist anymore. NRS could easily write him to show back up. In fact I hope he does because that was pretty anticlimactic of a death for the first boss of MK if you ask me. Shang deserves much more.

Shang Tsung is gone. You can almost say it with 100% certainty, because his power, what was keeping him young/alive, was taken given to Sindel and she was wiped away along with Nightwolf. So I can't see Shang returning without her returning aswell and someone taking his power back. Plus we don't really know what result Nightwolf's spell had. And if you remember the end of MK9 Nightwolf and Sindel were with the dead souls promised to Quan chi and Shang Tsung wasn't.

And why wouldn't they retell all four of the 3D games in the same game? They did it with MK9.

 

[Commander]

Kabal and Raka may not appear in as many games, but you seldom see a character receive as much praise as they do. Their supply of haters is very limited

The reason they receive little hatred is due to less popularity.
The more famous someone is, the more haterz they gain.

Think about it.
How many people do you think will be hatin' on some random dude vs Justin Beiber?
No matter how many people hate that dude, it will never equal the hate that a celebrity has.

 

[Flying Jinko]

Also, another problem I have with this is that most fighting games have a core set of characters that are in every game. I know some of you guys are going to say Well there's a lot left to work with, but I'm telling you Reptile, Sheeva, Kano, Baraka, none of them are going to get the attention that most think. They never have, and in MK9 they had the chance to change that, but they didn't.

Unlike other fighting games however, MK is heavily story driven and it would simply fall apart without it. This was the sole reason why MK4, MKD and MKDA held their own even though they were lacking in the gameplay department. They had amazing stories, the best in fact of the entire series and this coupled with new heroes and competitive gameplay is what would make MK10 succesful.
Also how can you be so sure those characters you mentioned are not going to get any attention? Remember, MK9 did little to nothing to progress or develop characters, it was mainly a reboot intended to bring back old fans. With them aboard now, they can progress with the development and target a new audience.

So realistically We have Raiden, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Scorpion, and MAYBE Ermac and Cyrax to work with. That's it though. I don't know I probably just disagree with you guys, but bringing in a sh**load of those characters and trying to make them work is just going to flop in my opinion. They need a good core group of about 15 to 20 of their classics and then bring in about 10 to 15 of the 3D era characters. As of right now they don't have that.

So if all those character who died in Mk9 had actually lived, how different would MK10 be different from MK4, especially when nothing else in the story has changed for NRS to go a different route? I'm sorry, but I've been seeing these "core" characters for over a decade now and I want something more for MK10 than just MK9.5/MK4. Introducing some of 3D era characters is the way to go about it and no one is asking for all of them. Just those who would make sense in the current timeline.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Araknyd- Baraka's involvement in the MK9 story was more or less the same that it's always been lol

He was basically a disposable minion, no more important than Reptile or Sheeva

Even Kano was more important

 

[Metal Overlord]

Shang Tsung is gone. You can almost say it with 100% certainty, because his power, what was keeping him young/alive, was taken given to Sindel and she was wiped away along with Nightwolf. So I can't see Shang returning without her returning aswell and someone taking his power back. Plus we don't really know what result Nightwolf's spell had. We were left to assume they both died as a result of it.

And why wouldn't they retell all four of the 3D games in the same game? They did it with MK9.

The difference between MK1-MK3 and the next 4 games is that the former only had one main villain and was much less story intensive than that of the latter; they aren't going to be able to fit all that story from the 3D games within one game especially since there are seperate major conflicts within each of those games.

Also Shang's soul is most likely wandering or in the Netherrealm somewhere now that he's dead

 

[Flying Jinko]

Yes, I really am because that's official plays that the character has had, it's not some random poll. It's actual gameplay statistics. The amount of times a character has been played. So, yes I am going to tell you that.

Just because some hardcore fans may like Reptile, Baraka, and Kabal does not mean that they are in the top favorite characters of MK.

This isn't really an accurate representation of facts since it deals with MK9 alone, also you can't consider gameplay to be the only critirion for a character to be famous or to be liked. A truely fair poll would be one that spans over the lifetime of the series and the sample population should be one that has played all the games to date. Since such a poll doesn't exist, going off any other poll would give wrong info, if you are considering popularity of a character in the series as a whole.

 

[Subz 711]

Unlike other fighting games however, MK is heavily story driven and it would simply fall apart without it. This was the sole reason why MK4, MKD and MKDA held their own even though they were lacking in the gameplay department. They had amazing stories, the best in fact of the entire series and this coupled with new heroes and competitive gameplay is what would make MK10 succesful.
Also how can you be so sure those characters you mentioned are not going to get any attention? Remember, MK9 did little to nothing to progress or develop characters, it was mainly a reboot intended to bring back old fans. With them aboard now, they can progress with the development and target a new audience.




So if all those character who died in Mk9 had actually lived, how different would MK10 be different from MK4, especially when nothing else in the story has changed for NRS to go a different route? I'm sorry, but I've been seeing these "core" characters for over a decade now and I want something more for MK10 than just MK9.5/MK4. Introducing some of 3D era characters is the way to go about it and no one is asking for all of them. Just those who would make sense in the current timeline.

The thing with those characters I listed is that as long as I could remember people have been saying that they will get more spotlight this is their time to shine. ESPECIALLY with MK9. Before MK9 everyone was saying NRS is going to give attention to characters who haven't had it before. Reptile will finally get a story. Did that happen? No. So while you're right it could possibly happen in MKX I highly doubt it will. Those characters have been suffering storywise for years and will most likely continue to suffer.

As for not wanting MK 9.5. I listed a great amount of 3D era characters in my roster. 13 I believe. Plus I would add Hydro and Tremor as DLC so that would be 15 new characters for the game plus a core of 17 from MK9. That's not much to ask for especially since we are going to be getting MK9 on the new systems. That's the thing too with a new system should come some different gameplay which should complete MKX in itself. While it shouldn't be drastically different from MK9's formula, it should definitely change somewhat. So MKX is going to be different no matter what. Killing your good characters isn't something they had to do in order to advance. Hell, I really still don't see what turning Sub-Zero cyber did especially since they were going to kill him anyway.

 

[Commander]

@Araknyd- Baraka's involvement in the MK9 story was more or less the same that it's always been lol

He was basically a disposable minion, no more important than Reptile or Sheeva

Even Kano was more important

So was Mileena.
Then again, as Sub711 said, NRS had a chance to give those characters more of the spotlight in MK9.
Why didn't they?

Killing your good characters isn't something they had to do in order to advance. Hell, I really still don't see what turning Sub-Zero cyber did especially since they were going to kill him anyway.

Agreed 100%.
If NRS was THAT serious about going with Cyber Sub-Zero, wouldn't they have kept him alive?
Why kill off a character that you are SERIOUS about developing for the next game or next generation?
Why bother with him in the first place?

 

[Subz 711]

This isn't really an accurate representation of facts since it deals with MK9 alone, also you can't consider gameplay to be the only critirion for a character to be famous or to be liked. A truely fair poll would be one that spans over the lifetime of the series and the sample population should be one that has played all the games to date. Since such a poll doesn't exist, going off any other poll would give wrong info, if you are considering popularity of a character in the series as a whole.

Well, you can think what you want on that, but I tend to think it's pretty accurate actually. All of the heroes are in the top 10 and I think they are definitely the favorite characters and the favorite bad guy played is Noob Saibot which I totally expected as well because he's the old Sub-Zero.

top ten on X-box
Scorpion
Raiden
Liu Kang
Sub-Zero
Johnny Cage
Smoke
Cyrax
Kung Lao
Sonya
Kitana

Top 10 PS3:
Scorpion
Raiden
Sub-Zero
Liu Kang
Smoke
Johnny Cage
Cyrax
Kung Lao
Kitana
Noob Saibot

The ONLY thing that is questionable about those top 10 to me is the fact that Sonya isn't in the top 10 on PS3 and that Sub-Zero isn't number 3 on X-box. That's the only thing that surprises me though as far as popularity.

No, I do not believe that Reptile, Baraka, or Kabal are any more popular than any of those characters on those lists.