Your wishlist of Characters from MK4-MKA, prototypes, glitched and new for MK10

[Revamp_Kombat]

MK1:
- Liu Kang (scarred)
- J. Cage
- Sonya
- Raiden
- Scorpion
- Kano

MK2:
- Kitana
- Mileena
- Reptile
- Baraka
- Smoke (enenra fully)
- Noob Saibot (combined with Sub-Zero powers)
- Jade

MK3:
- Sheeva
- Nightwolf
- Cyrax (half-cyborg)
- Sektor
- Ermac
- Rain

MK4:
- Kai
- Reiko (wielding some of Shao Kahn's powers)
- Quan Chi
- Shinnok (playable & boss)
- Tanya
- Fujin

MKDA:
- Kenshi
- Li Mei
- Bo'Rai Cho
- Mavado
- Moloch

MKD:
- Ashrah
- Hotaru
- Havik
- Dairou

MKA:
- Sareena

Glitched/1997:
- Skarlet
- Tremor

New:
- Guess the jester won't cut it then? But it was one of the best I came up with.
- 3 New cyborgs serving Sektor
- Archangel - champion of the Elder gods
- New fighters based on Tony Jaa, Jet Li & Jackie Chan

 

[BBBLP]

I loved Sub Shredder. Its my favorite costume he has. That is the biggest problem with MK fans. They are absolutely mortified of change. They get so scared if they see something that isn't blatantly carried over. Sub's ponytail was a step in the right direction. He doesn't need the same goddam costume for twenty years. Even Street Fighter characters have more costumes than MK. An alt in SF actually looks like an alt and not a variation.




I say more unexpected costumes. Out of left field shit.MK9 Sektor, Sonya, Shang, Sheeva; great alts. Sub-Zero, Stryker,Kung Lao, Jax; mediocre alts. Quan Chi and Kratos; horribly lazy alts






Anyway, as for the thread at hand, I hope that every character comes back in some form. I'll be pissed if its in some cutscene of murder though. As much as uncreative people hate Hsu Hao, he shouldn't show up in the story just to get killed. How can you be so careless of your own creations? You screw up a character so instead of making them better you toss them? Unforgivable.

 

[Flying Jinko]

How do you know that the general public still doesn't consider them "cool" and still like them?
You're assuming that wearing masks is an out dated character concept, it may not be.

1990's pallet-swapped MK ninjas IS an out-dated concept, but MK9 (and the other MK games after Trilogy) proved that you can have different colored ninjas wearing masks and STILL have them look completely different.

Rain could still be masked, as he may not want to reveal to others that he's a prince.
Given that he's an Edenian prince, he could be trying to hide his face from the likes of Kitana and Sindel (if they come back in MK10).
I agree with you on Smoke, given that he was revealed to be an enera.
Reptile should stay with his mask on.
It's 2012 and they STILL don't have his reptilian look right.
Ermac is more of a mummy now, as someone else mentioned, and less of a ninja in MK9.

I never hinted at the general public still not liking them, just that people are more aware of what Ninja are now and thus it makes no sense for many of the masked characters to still have their masks, since almost all of them need not hide identity. Would they look cool with masks? Maybe. But there are other creative ways to make them look better and more in line with their character and role.NRS really needs to get creative now, nobody wants MK 9.5 for MK10.

I want Hotaru to be Scorpions next Rival then. Play off the real life hate the two had for eachother. Of course I'm talking about the Ninja and samurai.

Since when did Hotaru become a Samurai?

 

[AMES32]

Since when did Hotaru become a Samurai?

He's a Samurai look-alike. It's one avenue Nrs neglected to exploit. It's part of his character I've always liked. I want more Seidan Guardsmen. Yeah, he's not a 100% Samurai, but with a game heavy on "Ninja" like characters it seems like a good fit to completely make him a Samurai.

 

[Flying Jinko]

He's a Samurai look-alike. It's one avenue Nrs neglected to exploit. It's part of his character I've always liked. I want more Seidan Guardsmen. Yeah, he's not a 100% Samurai, but with a game heavy on "Ninja" like characters it seems like a good fit to completely make him a Samurai.

With the character background he has been developed with, I don't think making him a Samurai or something close to one would be a great idea. It would also feel extremely forced and cliche as well. I'd rather have them go with what NRS started with and develop on that. Ruthless, aristocratic, elite warriors whose military might rivals that of the centaurs who care about nothing but order in Seido and will to any lengths curb anyone who's disturbs their order. Very anti-samurai like for the most part if you ask me. Plus what Hotaru did to Shujinko in MKD isn't something any honor bound samurai would ever do.

 

[Commander]

I say more unexpected costumes. Out of left field shit.MK9 Sektor, Sonya, Shang, Sheeva; great alts. Sub-Zero, Stryker,Kung Lao, Jax; mediocre alts. Quan Chi and Kratos; horribly lazy alts

Sub-Zero's alt was perfect, because it was supposed to be Bi-Han (MK1), rather than Kuai-Liang.
When you use Sub-Zero's 2nd costume (Bi-Han costume), the voice is also Bi-Han's.

As much as uncreative people hate Hsu Hao, he shouldn't show up in the story just to get killed. How can you be so careless of your own creations?

Oh, you mean like the same way they carelessly made Sub-Zero a robot and killed him off?

NRS has a habit of killing off OG characters in the MK series like Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Liu Kang and Johnny Cage.
What makes you think they won't do the same for a shit character like Hso Hao, especially if Ed Boon hates him?
I'd laugh my ass off if Frost and Hsu Hao were fighting each other and both fell off a cliff in MK10.
2 birds with 1 stone.

How are people less creative if they don't like Hsu Hao?
Because they don't want to see him return???
People don't like Hsu Hao because they think his character design was crap and he played like crap.
People have a right to like or not like something.

That's like me saying that people who like MLP are pedophiles or girly.
Even though I don't like it, it doesn't mean that I should demean and say untrue things of people who do.

I never hinted at the general public still not liking them, just that people are more aware of what Ninja are now and thus it makes no sense for many of the masked characters to still have their masks, since almost all of them need not hide identity.

Back in the day, the only reason we had different colored "ninjas" was because the general public considered them "cool" and we're fairly uneducated on what they really were.

^^^
That tends to imply that people no longer think they're cool / like them, now that they know what ninjas are.

 

[Flying Jinko]

^^^
That tends to imply that people no longer think they're cool / like them, now that they know what ninjas are.

That was the reason we got pallet swaps back then, not the reason people don't consider them cool/like them anymore. Back then, NRS could churn out ninja with different colored attire being the only change and people would accept it but that's not the case now and that's why we are not seeing them anymore. Even still, how many new masked characters have been released after Mk3? NRS knew they can't keep pushing out random masked characters that made no sense, since the public was more educated in that regard.

 

[Subz 711]

Sub-Zero's alt was perfect, because it was supposed to be Bi-Han (MK1), rather than Kuai-Liang.
When you use Sub-Zero's 2nd costume (Bi-Han costume), the voice is also Bi-Han's.





Oh, you mean like the same way they carelessly made Sub-Zero a robot and killed him off?

NRS has a habit of killing off OG characters in the MK series like Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Liu Kang and Johnny Cage.
What makes you think they won't do the same for a shit character like Hso Hao, especially if Ed Boon hates him?
I'd laugh my ass off if Frost and Hsu Hao were fighting each other and both fell off a cliff in MK10.
2 birds with 1 stone.

How are people less creative if they don't like Hsu Hao?
Because they don't want to see him return???
People don't like Hsu Hao because they think his character design was crap and he played like crap.
People have a right to like or not like something.

That's like me saying that people who like MLP are pedophiles or girly.
Even though I don't like it, it doesn't mean that I should demean and say untrue things of people who do.






^^^
That tends to imply that people no longer think they're cool / like them, now that they know what ninjas are.

Yea me and you definitely differ on the looks for characters. I loved the Cryoarmor/ Shredder gear. Sub-Zero looked more like a warrior than a ninja.

However, his alt, before I even knew it was supposed to be Bi-Han, left a lot to be desired. I thought what the hell is this? First the attire looks to have a silky texture to it, like a woman's nightgown or something.lol. Then the loincloth that the alt had looked more like something Kitana or Frost would wear. The whole look just came across as feminine to me. I know it didn't to others, but to me the look felt very plain, uninspired, and yes feminine. So, I didn't use it. Then when I began storymode and found out that attire was supposed to be Bi-Han it gave me even further reason to stay the hell away.lol.

Sub-Zero's main (Kuai Liang) was leather, and covered in metal leaving me to believe he was ready to enter battle. The second attire just didn't do it for me. If I was going to go with any of the "ninja" looks for Sub-Zero though his MKvsDC attire was probably my favorite as far as that goes.

Also, I still say Rain needs to be without a mask.

I actually do agree with you on some points though araknyd. Especially cyber subz. We both hold a hate in our heart for that mofo.lol. We don't agree on Sub-Zero's though. I agree with you on characters being killed off as well. There are characters from the 3D era that many know should not return. Although Hsu Hao is probably one of them he honestly isn't the worse to me. I hate Dairou, Darrius, helly any new character from Deception that's not Ashrah, Havik, or Hotaru. The rest can just eat it. Kira had a cool design, but honestly she would be too similar to Skarlet appearance wise now with the short red hair, and even her red attire. Plus Skarlet is just a better character now in my opinion too.

I'm die-hard Kuai Liang, and you're a Bi-Han fan. Although you did say you like Bi-Han as Noob Saibot better though correct?

 

[Commander]

Yea me and you definitely differ on the looks for characters. I loved the Cryoarmor/ Shredder gear. Sub-Zero looked more like a warrior than a ninja.

However, his alt, before I even knew it was supposed to be Bi-Han, left a lot to be desired. I thought what the hell is this? First the attire looks to have a silky texture to it, like a woman's nightgown or something.lol. Then the loincloth that the alt had looked more like something Kitana or Frost would wear. The whole look just came across as feminine to me. I know it didn't to others, but to me the look felt very plain, uninspired, and yes feminine. So, I didn't use it. Then when I began storymode and found out that attire was supposed to be Bi-Han it gave me even further reason to stay the hell away.lol.

Sub-Zero's main (Kuai Liang) was leather, and covered in metal leaving me to believe he was ready to enter battle. The second attire just didn't do it for me. If I was going to go with any of the "ninja" looks for Sub-Zero though his MKvsDC attire was probably my favorite as far as that goes.

Also, I still say Rain needs to be without a mask.

I actually do agree with you on some points though araknyd. Especially cyber subz. We both hold a hate in our heart for that mofo.lol. We don't agree on Sub-Zero's though. I agree with you on characters being killed off as well. There are characters from the 3D era that many know should not return. Although Hsu Hao is probably one of them he honestly isn't the worse to me. I hate Dairou, Darrius, helly any new character from Deception that's not Ashrah, Havik, or Hotaru. The rest can just eat it. Kira had a cool design, but honestly she would be too similar to Skarlet appearance wise now with the short red hair, and even her red attire. Plus Skarlet is just a better character now in my opinion too.

I'm die-hard Kuai Liang, and you're a Bi-Han fan. Although you did say you like Bi-Han as Noob Saibot better though correct?

I didn't go through the whole Ladder Mode until AFTER beating Story Mode, given that I wanted to unlock Quan Chi and find out who this "character that wasn't a cyborg before, and being cyborg now" was, which Ed Goodman was referring to.
I unlocked his alt AFTER I beat Story Mode, so Bi-Han's MK1 story part in MK9 was awesome for me because it brought back childhood memories of MK1.
Bi-Han in MK9, when Shang Tsung says "You will face Sub-Zero" to Sonya, reminded me of the MK1 movie where Shang Tsung introduced his enforcers (Scorpion and Sub-Zero) to Sonya, Liu Kang and Johnny Cage.
It wasn't in ANY way feminine, IMO.
It was more of an cyromancer ninja assassin look, whereas Kuai-Liang had more of a Lin Kuei look.

Did anyone else notice the error in Scorpion's part of the Story???
After Quan Chi shows Scorpion that Sub-Zero killed his clan AND family, when Sub-Zero says "That is not me," he's wearing Kuai Liang's costume.
I don't know if it's a glitch or just NRS foreshadowing Kuai-Liang being the NEW Sub-Zero.

I have a list of maybe 7 or 8 characters that I liked from the MK thru the MK:A days that I REALLY want to see in MK10, aside from that, whoever NRS puts in MK10 shuld get a good facelift.
Most of the characters from that era didn't impress me.

It's a duality issue when in comes to Bi-Han (no pun intended).
I like him as Bi-Han AND Noob Saibot, but I'd prefer him to be Sub-Zero.
In MK1, his Spine Rip was the first fatality that I performed.
I loved Noob Saibot in MK2 thru Armageddon and used him in my rotation of fighters back then (UMK3 thru Armageddon), along with Sub-Zero and Rain.
It wasn't until MKeception, that he was revealed to be Noob Saibot.
When I found out Bi-Han was Noob Saibot, I liked him even more.

I like both Sub-Zeros, and while we disagree on which Sub-Zero should be in MK10, the only reason I REALLY went with Bi-Han for MK10 is because it seems like the more viable option (Being kicked into the Soulnado) than bringing back Cyber Sub-Zero.
Again, though, that's just MY view.
In all honesty, as long as there is A human playable Sub-Zero in MK10, I'm good.
Don't care which one it really is.

 

[BBBLP]

Sub-Zero's alt was perfect, because it was supposed to be Bi-Han (MK1), rather than Kuai-Liang.
When you use Sub-Zero's 2nd costume (Bi-Han costume), the voice is also Bi-Han's.

I understand that. The fact that his voice is Bi Han's nets him some points. The design itself however is severely lacking. All it is, is the primary with less cloth and more leather belts. So much more could have been done.

Oh, you mean like the same way they carelessly made Sub-Zero a robot and killed him off?

NRS has a habit of killing off OG characters in the MK series like Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Liu Kang and Johnny Cage.
What makes you think they won't do the same for a shit character like Hso Hao, especially if Ed Boon hates him?
I'd laugh my ass off if Frost and Hsu Hao were fighting each other and both fell off a cliff in MK10.
2 birds with 1 stone.

That is not the same. Hsu Hao never had a good chance to establish a fanbase. He was killed off in the same game he appeared in. Also I never said that I thought they wouldn't kill him off again, I said it was my preference that they didn't.

You bias hate for Cy Sub is blinding. His automatization was far from careless. It wasn't something tacked on. It has been a question ever since we found out that he escaped from it in MK3

How are people less creative if they don't like Hsu Hao?
Because they don't want to see him return???
People don't like Hsu Hao because they think his character design was crap and he played like crap.
People have a right to like or not like something.[/QOUTE]

They are uncreative because they lack the ability to see potential . They just take everything at face value. I've already said this, people would never call Hsu Hao the worst character if Ed Boon never said that he personally didn't like him. His design was unique, the only mortal man whose strength could match Jax. I have a feeling that if he had a mask you'd be singing a different tune. Also you say he played like crap? You want to know who else played like shit in the 3d games? EVERY CHARACTER

 

[Commander]

I understand that. The fact that his voice is Bi Han's nets him some points. The design itself however is severely lacking. All it is, is the primary with less cloth and more leather belts. So much more could have been done.

I agree, as far as design potential goes.
It could have been a lot better.

That is not the same. Hsu Hao never had a good chance to establish a fanbase. He was killed off in the same game he appeared in. Also I never said that I thought they wouldn't kill him off again, I said it was my preference that they didn't.

You bias hate for Cy Sub is blinding. His automatization was far from careless. It wasn't something tacked on. It has been a question ever since we found out that he escaped from it in MK3

Not for everyone, though.
I was perfectly fine knowing that he survived and was able to live another day as Sub-Zero.
As I've previously posted, it came off as being careless because of the way it was poorly written into Story Mode with Raiden's lack of effort to even help or any of the other kombatants, for that matter.

How are people less creative if they don't like Hsu Hao?
Because they don't want to see him return???
People don't like Hsu Hao because they think his character design was crap and he played like crap.
People have a right to like or not like something.

They are uncreative because they lack the ability to see potential . They just take everything at face value. I've already said this, people would never call Hsu Hao the worst character if Ed Boon never said that he personally didn't like him. His design was unique, the only mortal man whose strength could match Jax. I have a feeling that if he had a mask you'd be singing a different tune. Also you say he played like crap? You want to know who else played like shit in the 3d games? EVERY CHARACTER

Can't blame them for not trusting in NRS previous efforts of failed characters.
Perhaps, like me, maybe they're hoping that NRS proves them wrong and gives some of these characters a good facelift.

Not every character played like crap in the 3D games, but Hsu Hao was slow and VERY clunky, IMO.
Tried him out and didn't like him, but I DID try him out first.
As a personal motto of mine, I don't say I like or dislike any characters, games, food or entertainment until I try it first.
That goes for Cyber Sub-Zero too.
I tried him out before even forming an opinion.
Didn't like his Story.
Didn't like his design.
Didn't like his gameplay.
That's 3 strikes in the negative direction against him for me.

Side note: That also includes MLP. Sat through a few episodes with an open mind, to see what all the fuss was about, and I didn't like it.

I don't just dislike something because someone says it's bad.
I sit through and form my OWN opinion, regardless of what Mr. Eyebrows says.

I have a shit list of 26 characters long, some of which include masked ninjas as well.
My shit list goes as follows (in no particular order of hatred, they all suck just as equally in my opinion .... These characters can all burn in hell for all I care):

Chameleon
Khameleon
Jarek
Kai
Meat
Blaze
Bo' Rai Cho
Drahmin
Frost
Hsu Hao
Li Mei
Mavado
Mokap
Moloch
Ashrah
Dairou
Darrius
Hotaru
Kira
Kobra
Onaga
Shujinko
Taven
Daegon
Stryker
Sheeva
*Shinnok - Has potential as a boss for MK10, but if he's a boss he shouldn't be playable.

 

[BBBLP]

Shujinko is on that list?


We have nothing else to say to eachother. Good day sir

 

[Commander]

Shujinko is on that list?


We have nothing else to say to eachother. Good day sir

Yes sir.

Like I said.
I tried him out and didn't like him, but that doesn't meant that NRS can't make him better for MK10, and persuade me to give him another chance.
Shujinko has future potential, but as of right now I don't like him.

Oh, I forgot about Shinnok.
Didn't like him either in MK4 thru Armageddon, but as an MK10 boss, if NRS can do it right, he'd be badass.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Future potential? Lol you say that as if Shujinko is just some hack character, he's one of the most developed characters in MK if not the most

That would almost be like saying that you don't like Scorpion or Noob but they have future potential

He's pretty well-established so if you don't like him now, then I doubt your opinion of him will change much when he's in future games unless they retcon everything about him

 

[Commander]

Future potential? Lol you say that as if Shujinko is just some hack character, he's one of the most developed characters in MK if not the most

That would be almost like saying that you don't like Scorpion or Noob but they have future potential

He's pretty well-established so if you don't like him now, then I doubt your opinion of him will change much when he's in future games unless they do a retcon everything about him

No, I didn't intend for it to sound like he's a hack character.
It's just that, up to now, I dislike him.

It's nothing in comparison, because I never said that he WASN'T well established Story-wise.

Yes, future potential for me to like him.
I didn't like Cyrax, Sektor and Jade back in the day either (*Gasp, Araknyd has spoken blasphemy) but I do like them now.
I may not be good with them or completely suck with them, but I am trying to get better with the characters in MK9.

 

[BBBLP]

Shujinko gets most of his hate from him being a "copy character". But he's one of the only characters that have an explanation as to how he got his powers. You watch him train with every kombatant, they mentor him.

 

[Subz 711]

I love watching character discussion for the next game because it really does expose just what a mess NRS has made of things.

Some if not most of the characters from the 3D era are not going to return because they had very little depth and wouldn't fit into this new little story they're trying to tell, however, every character has a fan and with each character that doesn't return that isolates a fan.

Mix that with the fact that they murdered the better half of their roster: Shang Tsung, Noob Saibot (as far as we know), Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Kitana, Jade, Jax, Kabal, Sindel, Nightwolf, Stryker, Smoke and finally they left us with NO Sub-Zero which has been in every game. On top of that they turned him into a Cyborg which people may have wondered about, but NObody really asked for. They also did all of this while simultaneously leaving some of their nonsense lackey's alive. Reptile, Baraka, Sheeva, and Kano I am looking at all of you.

I love MK, but they f'd up changing the timeline, and they really didn't even change that much. Shinnok is still going to be the boss in the next game, and Shao Kahn is nowhere to be seen, Same as last time. To me it doesn't say they're doing anything productive or new storywise. The only real difference this time around in this new storyline is that they don't have their most popular cast to work with because they killed them. So they will either A. Mass ressurrect most of them, or B. bring in and TRY to revamp characters that have a much smaller fanbase than do the other characters.

IMO, they would have been much better off leaving the timeline alone, and just doing a complete RETELLING. THe first part of MK was another man's story anyway (Tobias), Vogel should have left that alone.

 

[Commander]

Shujinko gets most of his hate from him being a "copy character". But he's one of the only characters that have an explanation as to how he got his powers. You watch him train with every kombatant, they mentor him.

Same goes for Shinnok in MK4.
He was essentially Shang Tsung in MK4, WITHOUT the morphing.

I just want to see some more originality to these characters.
They have nothing now, as of today, that interests me in them, but that doesn't mean that they can't be better / improved upon in future MK games.

I get that you and Metal have big love for Shujinko, but as of now (pre-MK10), I'm not interested.
Maybe NRS will prove me wrong and make him better in MK10.
I hope so.
I hope they do that with a lot of those characters on my shit list, now that they have the time and money from WB.

IMO, they would have been much better off leaving the timeline alone, and just doing a complete RETELLING.

I know we haven't agreed on a lot lately, but I agree 100% with this.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Araknyd- It seems like we're coming from two different perspectives, you're talking about him from a gameplay POV while I'm talking about him from a character design/story POV

 

[Flying Jinko]

B. bring in and TRY to revamp characters that have a much smaller fanbase than do the other characters.

This is what NRS needs to do for MK10. I wouldn't say they screwed up the alternate timeline, instead they opened up a really good oppurtunity to progress the story in a new, fresh direction. Plus it's not all that difficult to revamp or develop those characters as you put it, just have a look at the fanfiction section of this site, if we fans can come up such great ideas with not too much effort, I'm sure NRS can come up with something better with the creative talent and resources they have. They just need to have that willingness to step into a new direction.