Your wishlist for MK10

[InterestingMK]

just for my sake i don't care what they do to sub human or cyborg just make sure he is in

what i would really like is more character development for reptile (for effin once) Ermac (so much potential in him regarding his ending) and Sektor (He got beat up the most in story mode) but most of all NO RUSHED ONE-SIDED MASSACRE SCENES ANYMORE NRS!!!

I agree, most of the characters died way too fast in the story. I only want there to be at the very least a couple of the ggod guys die.

 

[Flying Jinko]

His body slowly but surely became composed of Smoke nanobytes in Deception which is essentially Smoke. He was a demon made of Smoke. Just like he is now. An enenra is a demon made of Smoke. What's the real difference there?

Oh, and I'm sorry he didn't BECOME one, he already WAS one. Oh me, Not looking back at my facts even though my argument is still the same in the end.

There is a big difference. Smoke whether cyborg/demon/human always had smoke powers, I don't know why you keep linking it with him being turned into a cyber demon by Noob Saibot. Its not like he was suddenly revealed to have the power to control Smoke in MKD. Plus he was controlled by Noob. Smoke's Mk9 arcade ending however tells us how he actually got his powers and his past. Its very much like how both Sub Zero brothers were revealed to be cryomancers from outworld, it gave Kuai Liang a good backstory to go back to,(Kuai Liang finding his ancestral armor and the ice caves of Outworld for example). It added richness to the general lore and Kuai Liang's story as well. Smoke now with his past revealed has the same or even more potential, because there are lots of routes to go by for his future and his past.

 

[Subz 711]

Actually, the real reason why Quan Chi wanted Kuai Liang dead was because of his knowledge of secrets that would have been essential in defeating Shinnok in MK4

Smoke was also one of the strongest, hence why he along with the other three were also chosen to be automated

I'm sure that all four of them were briefed on the schematics of becoming a cyborg because what if one of them were malfunctioned? As cyborgs, it's not far-fetched to say that they would have been capable of fixing the cyborgs

And nah, if Sub-Zero and Sektor were direct rivals in MK3, then so were Sub-Zero and Cyrax. They were just enemies, their relationships and interactions with each other didn't really go far enough from that for them to be rivals

And Ermac is already pretty well-developed, all he needs to do now is focus on returning Edenia to its former glory

I don't know I'll have to look it up but I'm pretty sure that I read a bio where Quan Chi fears Kuai Liang just as much as Bi Han. Let's not get into that argument again though because you know I don't like Kuai LIang being called weaker than Bi han.

Also I don't think Smoke was CHOSEN to be automated. I thought everyone in the Lin Kuei HAD to be automated. Hence why it shows all of the cyborgs surrounding Sektor at the Lin Kuei HQ in Sektor's MK9 ending. It wasn't something they were chosen for, it was something everyone had to do.

Also Sektor and Sub-Zero were direct rivals at some point in the timeline or else Sub-Zero wouldn't have wanted to go back and kick his a** to take back the Lin Kuei in the first place. Sub-Zero knew Sektor was on of the main supporters for the automation I'm sure. Cyrax was more or less a sidekick to Sektor while Smoke was more or less the sidekick to Sub-Zero.

 

[Subz 711]

There is a big difference. Smoke whether cyborg/demon/human always had smoke powers, I don't know why you keep linking it with him being turned into a cyber demon by Noob Saibot. Its not like he was suddenly revealed to have the power to control Smoke in MKD. Plus he was controlled by Noob. Smoke's Mk9 arcade ending however tells us how he actually got his powers and his past. Its very much like how both Sub Zero brothers were revealed to be cryomancers from outworld, it gave Kuai Liang a good backstory to go back to,(Kuai Liang finding his ancestral armor and the ice caves of Outworld for example). It added richness to the general lore and Kuai Liang's story as well. Smoke now with his past revealed has the same or even more potential, because there are lots of routes to go by for his future and his past.

Yes, that's all fine and dandy. It indeed add to his backstory which is something he desperately needed. What I'm saying though is that he was a demon made of Smoke in Deception. His ending let him find out that..hold for the shock.... he was a demon made of Smoke. What I'm saying is that he essentially is at the same place he was at in Deception except for he didn't go through being turned cybernetic to get there, and now he's not controlled by Noob.

You guys are basically arguing that Smoke is better now because he has freedom, which is essentially what you are trying to take away from Sub-Zero's character by wanting to leave him cyber.

 

[Flying Jinko]

Yes, that's all fine and dandy. It indeed add to his backstory which is something he desperately needed. What I'm saying though is that he was a demon made of Smoke in Deception. His ending let him find out that..hold for the shock.... he was a demon made of Smoke. What I'm saying is that he essentially is at the same place he was at in Deception except for he didn't go through being turned cybernetic to get there, and now he's not controlled by Noob.

You guys are basically arguing that Smoke is better now because he has freedom, which is essentially what you are trying to take away from Sub-Zero's character by wanting to leave him cyber.

You are still missing the point. He ALWAYS had smoke powers right from his inception. MKD did not reveal that Smoke had smoke powers. It just said he became a part of the brotherhood of the shadow. You are uneccesarily linking the two up. Thats not same as explaining Smoke's source of power and how he became an Enenra.

Its essentially like saying that there was nothing special in revealing Sub Zero as a descendant of an ancient race from outworld, the guy was a ninja who had ice powers from Mk1 to MK4, nothing new at all, its all same as before.

Plus who said Sub Zero being Cyber won't have freedom? Just look at his chapter in MK9's story, he had all the freedom he needed and also made wise informed decisions by himself, he was a slave to no one. He was also much more sympathetic and helpful compared to his human counterpart, by saving the soldiers, whereas his human version didn't even bother to help out Jax and Sonya. I doubt the human Kuai Liang would have helped in a similar situation to his cyber version.

 

[BBBLP]

He was also much more sympathetic and helpful compared to his human counterpart, by saving the soldiers, whereas his human version didn't even bother to help out Jax and Sonya. I doubt the human Kuai Liang would have helped in a similar situation.

I actually had not noticed that. I have to give NRS credit for that subtle yet important change.

 

[Subz 711]

You are still missing the point. He ALWAYS had smoke powers right from his inception. MKD did not reveal that Smoke had smoke powers. It just said he became a part of the brotherhood of the shadow. You are uneccesarily linking the two up. Thats not same as explaining Smoke's source of power and how he became an Enenra.

Its essentially like saying that there was nothing special in revealing Sub Zero as a descendant of an ancient race from outworld, the guy was a ninja who had ice powers from Mk1 to MK4, nothing new at all, its all same as before.

Plus who said Sub Zero being Cyber won't have freedom? Just look at the chapter in MK9's story, he had all the freedom he needed and also made wise informed decisions by himself, he was a slave to no one He was also much more sympathetic and helpful compared to his human counterpart, by saving the soldiers, whereas his human version didn't even bother to help out Jax and Sonya. I doubt the human Kuai Liang would have helped in a similar situation.

I get you. Smoke always had Smoke powers. I get that. I even get that being revealed as an Enenra gave him backstory. It did. I get that. So let's ignore this point and look at what I am saying.

Everyone is acting like him being revealed as a Smoke demon is something new and will give him more to work with, and I argue it won't. Why? Because he was basically an enenra in MKeception. That is what I'm arguing. Yes, he always had Smoke as his power. I don't even get where you see I'm arguing he didn't. He always had Smoke power.

My argument is in Deception Smoke was a Demon made of Smoke.

In MK9, he finds out that he's a demon made of Smoke. It's nothing really new or shocking, and I don't get how it's going to suddenly make Smoke sooo much more relevant. Yes, he now has a backstory. That doesn't say anything for his future though. Everything you guys have mentioned either results in him ending up with Sub-Zero's old story, or helping Subz get reverted which is stuff from the old timeline. The best thing for Smoke now is for him to become this demon made of Smoke, embrace it and CHOOSE to side with Quan Chi and the netherrealm. Because that's what Smoke has soooo been lacking is his choice. He's always a sidekick to someone. Plus siding with the bad guys will only further seperate him from Sub-Zero and since Noob is probably going to try and overtake the netherrealm it will seperate him from Noob siding with Quan and Shinnok's invasion.

Also, Human Subz damn sure did help Jax and Sonya. I'm tired of people acting like he didn't. He pointed them in the direction to the portal. He was on a mission to find his brother's killer. You expect me to believe that he is just going to step out of his quest just to drag a person who he doesn't even know to a portal? Would you?

He didn't have to say anything to Sonya. He could have just said Oh well he's going to die. He didn't do that though did he? He pointed her to a portal for help, and honestly I like that Sub-Zero better than the cyber one you fell hook line and sinker for in his cyber chapter. It's obvious they made him overly good in that chapter in order to get more people on his side because they knew people were going to outrage about it. I mean saving soldiers? Since 911 the armed forces have been one of the most sensitive subjects for us in America. Having Sub-Zero save the soldiers screamed "please like me, please." Edit: Also that's not just my assumption. I have seen countless posts here and on other sites where people say the exact same thing. Cyber Subz was this overly good guy for a reason.

Also, so what he has his freedom as a cyborg? See what I said for Cyrax. If he's going to get his freedom back anyway, why revert him into a cyborg anyway when the mere appearance pisses people off?

 

[Commander]

He was also much more sympathetic and helpful compared to his human counterpart, by saving the soldiers, whereas his human version didn't even bother to help out Jax and Sonya. I doubt the human Kuai Liang would have helped in a similar situation to his cyber version.

I actually had not noticed that. I have to give NRS credit for that subtle yet important change.

Given that Raiden didn't pansy out, and actually would have stepped in to help him out, he could have easily changed Sub-Zero's mind about going after petty vengeance and fighting for the greater good, the same way that he convinced Scorpion not to kill Sub-Zero.

It's obvious they made him overly good in that chapter in order to get more people on his side because they knew people were going to outrage about it. I mean saving soldiers? Since 911 the armed forces have been one of the most sensitive subjects for us in America. Having Sub-Zero save the soldiers screamed "please like me, please."

So damn true. :laugh: :laugh:

It's like dangling a cute younger sibling or puppy in front of a hot chick, just to get her to like you.
Sad to say that I've tried that method, and it works.
Same goes for Post-911 rescue stuff.
Just another way to get people to like something that they probably normally wouldn't.

 

[BBBLP]

Given that Raiden didn't pansy out, and actually would have stepped in to help him out, he could have easily changed Sub-Zero's mind about going after petty vengeance and fighting for the greater good, the same way that he convinced Scorpion not to kill Sub-Zero.

Because that totally worked out

 

[Flying Jinko]

I get you. Smoke always had Smoke powers. I get that. I even get that being revealed as an Enenra gave him backstory. It did. I get that. So let's ignore this point and look at what I am saying.

Everyone is acting like him being revealed as a Smoke demon is something new and will give him more to work with, and I argue it won't. Why? Because he was basically an enenra in MKeception. That is what I'm arguing. Yes, he always had Smoke as his power. I don't even get where you see I'm arguing he didn't. He always had Smoke power.

My argument is in Deception Smoke was a Demon made of Smoke.

So you are essentially saying that by revealing Sub Zero to be a cryomancer from outworld, gave ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for NRS to work with. Alright, got it.

Also, Human Subz damn sure did help Jax and Sonya. I'm tired of people acting like he didn't. He pointed them in the direction to the portal. He was on a mission to find his brother's killer. You expect me to believe that he is just going to step out of his quest just to drag a person who he doesn't even know to a portal? Would you?

Yea sure he helped them out. A guy just had both his hands ripped off, at the verge of death with his only other companion being a lady (although a very capable one who still asked for help) and he helps by pointing at an exit which may be miles away? Yea, some award worthy help indeed :congrats:
I would definitely stop and help out.

Cyber Sub Zero too was on a mission, all he had to do was to get the required intel but he stopped and actually helped, unlike human Kuai Liang.

If he's going to get his freedom back anyway, why revert him into a cyborg anyway when the mere appearance pisses people off?

So that we can see an evolution in Sub Zero's story than the same old thing all over again?

 

[Commander]

Because that totally worked out

If Quan Chi didn't interfere, YES it would have worked out.
That blame is to be put on Quan Chi, NOT Raiden.
Raiden convinced him not to, and Quan Chi used sorcery to trick Scorpion into killing Sub-Zero.

Raiden could have easily convinced human Sub-Zero to join the forces of good, just as he did with Kitana, Jax, Sonya, Stryker, Johnny Cage, Kabal and Jade, if he wasn't such a P***Y and actually helped Sub-Zero.
Human Sub-Zero could have been on the side of good all along, at the same time avoiding Lin Kuei capture.

 

[Subz 711]

So you are essentially saying that by revealing Sub Zero to be a cryomancer from outworld, gave ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for NRS to work with. Alright, got it.



Yea sure he helped them out. A guy just had both his hands ripped off, at the verge of death with his only other companion being a lady (although a very capable one who still asked for help) and he helps by pointing at an exit which may be miles away? Yea, some award worthy help indeed :congrats:
I would definitely stop and help out.

Cyber Sub Zero too was on a mission, all he had to do was to get the required intel but he stopped and actually helped, unlike human Kuai Liang.



So that we can see an evolution in Sub Zero's story than the same old thing all over again?

While you compare Sub-Zero's backstory to Smoke's it's not the same thing. Smoke's a demon. Big deal. Sub-Zero was from another race that he didn't even know existed. A whole race of people in which he could uncover. Demon's are known to exist in the netherrealm. That's no big reveal for Smoke to be a demon. Sub-Zero being from a race that may still exist does. Even so, I will admit it didn't do a lot for him besides give an explanation for his armor. That armor ended up helping him out a whole hell of a lot though.

Also, Sub-Zero rescuing those soldiers fell in line with his mission. He had to get intel, and he just so happened to stumble onto those soldiers while doing so. It fell in line with what he was doing at the time.

However, I'm pretty sure that traveling miles out of the way of the portal he needs to help people he doesn't even know is not exactly something that everyone would do. I wouldn't. Let's also not forget that Sub-Zero spared reptile's life in his human chapter, and stopped Ermac from further attacking. He was waaaay more dynamic in his chapter because he wasn't cookie cutter good guy. When he became cyber they obviously made him overly good to make people like him. It's quite obvious. Just look at you. You're, basically, saying Sub-Zero was a bad guy in his chapter when he most certainly was not. He was on a mission and I'm pretty sure if any of us were on a mission for our family then we wouldn't step out of it to help two nobody's. Although he did still help them even though you seem to ignore that. Also, Sonya was completely capable of getting Jax to a portal. If she wasn't then she shouldn't have entered into that line of work in the first place.

Also that last statement is a sweeping generalization. You are assuming that if he stayed human he would do the "same old thing all over again". That's not true though. Like I said Sub-Zero could disband the Lin Kuei, not reform them. He could rescue Sareena and have children with her resulting in the next line of Sub-Zero's to come up. There were many things he could do as a humang that weren't the same old thing over again. Him becoming a cyborg is not an EVOLUTION. It's a mistake, a mistake that needs to be fixed.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Also I don't think Smoke was CHOSEN to be automated. I thought everyone in the Lin Kuei HAD to be automated. Hence why it shows all of the cyborgs surrounding Sektor at the Lin Kuei HQ in Sektor's MK9 ending. It wasn't something they were chosen for, it was something everyone had to do.

Sub-Zero, Cyrax, Sektor and Smoke were all chosen to undergo automation before everyone else did, IIRC

Also Sektor and Sub-Zero were direct rivals at some point in the timeline or else Sub-Zero wouldn't have wanted to go back and kick his a** to take back the Lin Kuei in the first place.

He didn't go back just because of Sektor specifically, he wanted to reform the Lin Kuei. Sektor stood in the way so he took him out. You could pretty much replace with him with any other evil character and the same would apply. Again, he saw him as more of an obstacle than he did a rival

 

[Subz 711]

I don't know that point. Maybe they were chosen. I didn't think so though. I thought it was just that all members of the Lin Kuei had to undergo it or die. Thus why Sub-Zero and Smoke were hunted. You may very well be right though.

Also, I'm still going to have to disagree with you there on the Sektor thing. You mean to tell me a man who hunted you and your friend down specifically and then ended up being one of the people responsible for having your friend automated, you mean to tell me he didn't have a grudge against that guy. He would have brought Sub-Zero in too if Sub-Zero wasn't strong enough to fight them off. That's why I say yes, he most definitely was a rival with Sektor. That's just matter of opinion from both of us though. I definitely don't see Sektor as just a guy he had to get through. I'm pretty sure if it would have been the same old grandmaster he wouldn't have thought twice about going back for the Lin Kuei, but because Sektor had the dragon medallion he made a point of going back, IMO.

Edit: Just looked it up and the STRONGEST warriors were chosen to undergo automation. Not neccessarily Smoke and Sub-Zero specifically. Also, I'm pretty sure that by Sub-Zero being able to escape Cyrax and Sektor, and Smoke not being able too that Sub-Zero was the stronger of the two and probably more knowledgeable as well. Even you said that he held his brother's knowledge so maybe he knew more about the initiative and Smoke didn't. I would say that Smoke not being able to revert Sub-Zero in MK9 shows that he indeed did not know as much as Sub-Zero on that front though.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree, I don't feel like arguing any further

 

[MakeItRain]

Has anyone noticed that MK 10 could possibly be a remake of MK 4, what with Quan Chi and Shinnok as the big bads again? I seriously hope they don't do this, it was somewhat understandable to do this with MK 9 but to revisit MK 4 as well is just unnecessary. It would limit the roster too, among other things. Instead of getting someone who actually deserves a spot in the roster like Havik we would get... Jarek. *Shudders*

 

[iViTal]

Has anyone noticed that MK 10 could possibly be a remake of MK 4, what with Quan Chi and Shinnok as the big bads again? I seriously hope they don't do this, it was somewhat understandable to do this with MK 9 but to revisit MK 4 as well is just unnecessary. It would limit the roster too, among other things. Instead of getting someone who actually deserves a spot in the roster like Havik we would get... Jarek. *Shudders*

You're about 900 posts late bro :|

 

[Metal Overlord]

Vital you dumbass, do you not see the join date on his avatar (or hers)

And I fail to see why revisiting MK4 wouldn't make as much sense as revisiting MK1-MK3

 

[Flying Jinko]

If Quan Chi didn't interfere, YES it would have worked out.
That blame is to be put on Quan Chi, NOT Raiden.
Raiden convinced him not to, and Quan Chi used sorcery to trick Scorpion into killing Sub-Zero.

Raiden could have easily convinced human Sub-Zero to join the forces of good, just as he did with Kitana, Jax, Sonya, Stryker, Johnny Cage, Kabal and Jade, if he wasn't such a P***Y and actually helped Sub-Zero.
Human Sub-Zero could have been on the side of good all along, at the same time avoiding Lin Kuei capture.

At the same time Scorpion would never have accepted on his own accord, it was only when Raiden offered to help him bring back his family and clan, he accepted. The same with Sub Zero too, I don't think he could have been convinced easily, since everything and everyone he is meeting is new to him and he doesn't know who to trust. In the original timeline he only allied himself with Raiden and the others after a gradual understanding of events. Plus unlike others he is overidden with emotion and responsibility in finding the killer of his brother, it is difficult to convice a man otherwise, who is out for revenge.

While you compare Sub-Zero's backstory to Smoke's it's not the same thing. Smoke's a demon. Big deal. Sub-Zero was from another race that he didn't even know existed. A whole race of people in which he could uncover. Demon's are known to exist in the netherrealm. That's no big reveal for Smoke to be a demon. Sub-Zero being from a race that may still exist does.

You are forgetting the fact that there are many kinds and varieties of demons from the Netherealm. We got Onis, Wraiths, Spectres, Hellbeasts. Even the Onis themselves are divided into two classes, the ones that are native to the netherealm and ones that are not. By revealing Smoke to be a form of demon they not only gave some light to his backstory but also revealed the existence of a new type of demon and possibly more. Plus they could even bring in and talk about the cult who abducted him and even bring a new faction into the story. There is a lot that can be done, you are just too close minded to see it.

Also, Sub-Zero rescuing those soldiers fell in line with his mission. He had to get intel, and he just so happened to stumble onto those soldiers while doing so. It fell in line with what he was doing at the time.

No it did not fall in line with his mission. All he had to do was get the required intel and get out. He didn't have to engage kano, goro and Kintaro and expose his position and save the soldiers, but he did anyway.

Just look at you. You're, basically, saying Sub-Zero was a bad guy in his chapter when he most certainly was not.

Nope I never said that, stop putting words into my mouth. I only implied that he was selfish, nothing more.

Also, Sonya was completely capable of getting Jax to a portal. If she wasn't then she shouldn't have entered into that line of work in the first place.

She actually asked for help, if you missed it. Sub Zero refused, end of story.

Also that last statement is a sweeping generalization. You are assuming that if he stayed human he would do the "same old thing all over again". That's not true though.

And how about you assuming that his story will be horrible if he remains a cyborg? Isn't that too a sweeping generalization? Frankly I think your fanboyism is clouding your judgement to the point that you have giving heavily and obviously biased opinions on Cyber Sub Zero. Loosen up, be more open minded, think out of the box, its not all that bad as you think.

 

[iViTal]

Vital you dumbass, do you not see the join date on his avatar (or hers)

And I fail to see why revisiting MK4 wouldn't make as much sense as revisiting MK1-MK3

.... So, he/she could've been a lurker <_<

I'm sorry Rain for being an Ass, but yea I'm really hoping they do revisit MK4 and go into the DA time period.