VictorMefer
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Okay, I'm still a little newb when it comes to this pro stuff about fighting games. Can someone explain what makes a character be top tier or low tier?
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Reptikahn
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Eh, there is still a problem with the accuracy if you push it too fast. SSBB is a great example. During the first tier list was out however it ended up extremely inaccurate compared to the tier list we have now. [Such as Snake/KD/MK and so on being at top], sure there were some accuracies that were right but very few. Which is why I said it normally takes months to a year, I just didn't state "accurately" but if it's not accurate, what use is a tier list?
Tier=/= Your skill level with the character. Tiers= Basis of if two people of equal skill faced each other. Even if you don't have the exact information on the character, basing off past games and new mechanics can give you a slight estimate on who willl be in what tier.
Gameplay does give knowledge on a character and what their use is. Even if you don't have the full information you can make a correct guess basing on properties of moves and more. Second, no, not everyone is doing that with their tier lists. I don't like JC and I still have him in high tier, and one of my favorites is Quan Chi but I put him Mid [Low].
*Face palm*
Tiers do not say who is the best, only who has the greatest advantage in a match of "equal skill." It's pretty much a hypothesis, and regardless of what you believe those characters have the most advantages regardless of what you want to believe.
Except this isn't the exact same game as MK3. New mechanics and the like. Though, it does paint a picture for estimates.
Reptikahn
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It depends really. To explain tiers, let's pretend we're using a number line plot.
-0
-1
-2
-3
So on so forth.
Some deciding factors of a tier [Top/Low] can be as simple as match ups (How many advantages you have in a paticular match]---> Mewtwo Vs. Fox in Melee. [Mewtwo may be low tier but Mewtwo>Fox in a match, even though Fox is higher tier.]
Though most games aren't that closely balanced. In general a high tier or top character will easily trump a lower tier character.
Frame advantage/disadvantage can also make a difference. If you have a move with long frames and lag, said character will probably be lower than higher.
Mechanics: Those who can make use of a mechanic to "abuse" it and those who have little gained from making use of the mechanic.
There's more factors but it gives a general idea like this.
If a character has few good match ups, can't make use of built in mechanics well, has long frame disadvantage and is easily punished for a mistake. Expect a low tier character.
However, if your character has many good match-ups, makes use [can abuse] a mechanic with ease, and has short frames on a majority [good for punishing other characters] expect a high level tier character.
Though this is not always true, and can be dependent on mechanics of the fighting game in general.
RoboSmoke
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Why would human smoke be a higher tier than scorpion in umk3? He's a copy of scorpion lol
ToferBooboo
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This guy.
I like you, you know your SSBB stuff.
Do you play the game competitively?
But yeah you are right and then you're not.
It only took about a couple of months to finally realize people who were in mid tier deserved to be in High.
And also, MK was always god tier, D3, Snake and Falco were also always high tier since the first one
But I get what you're saying.
Fox17
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Sub-Zero is awesome, i played the demo a lot and in my opinion SubZero is by far the best
Tier 1: Sub-Zero, Noob, Smoke, Scorpion, Kung Lao, Liu Kang
Tier 2: Cyber-Zero, Sektor, Cyrax, Kitana, Reptile
Tier 3: Mileena, Jade, Nightwolf, the rest
Tier 4: Jax, Sonya, Cage, Kabal, Ermac, Sheeva, Stryker, Sindel
But seriously i think any character is the best in a good player hands!
Robert Mulcahy
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Are they going to fix Scorpion's jump kick to shadow punch 51%-53% no meter combo? Because out of the demo, so far he seems to be the only one who can combo that high in damage without the use of any meter (I can only get to as far as 30%-35% per combo with the other three characters). And since his spear can be hit confirmed by a ton of moves, making the combo really simple to get into in any given situation. Plus the unavoidable hell-fires at the end of combo breakers and several combos. I wouldn't be lying if I said that I'm afraid to face him.
StatisticalPizza
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Scorpion will most likely be Tier 1 along with SZ Shang Tsung Reptile Liu Kang and Raiden. The main charcters are usually tier 1, Kabal and the others like Noob and Ermac will be in the 2nd or 3rd most likely, And just a hint: Scorpion has ALWAYS been in tier 1, He is Ed Boon's favorite.
Recon Number 54
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Tier 1 Scorpion,Smoke Cyrax Noob
Insultion
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To be honest I didn't put much attention on MKI or II when I started using that site. For the *most* part, I agree with the placement in their UMK3 guide.
You're wrong. Not only was Human Smoke faster, but he had some different autocombos that set him apart. Notably, two pop-up autocombos.
By faster I mean his move speed.
ToferBooboo
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It's hard to say but I think top tier imo will be:
Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kitana, and Scorpion.
Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kitana, and Scorpion.
REPTILE 0009
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I generally don't care about tiers in fighting games. Play with whoever you want, and let others do the same. Any character can be top tier in the right hands.
VictorMefer
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Let me ask you guys a question: why do some of you are already predicting Stryker's, Sheeva's and CSZ's tiers? I don't think we have seen enough (or in Sheeva's and CSZ's cases, any) gameplay to judge.
I believe Johnny Cage, Kabal, Smoke, Sonya, Kung Lao, they might be top tier, or at least high.
I believe Johnny Cage, Kabal, Smoke, Sonya, Kung Lao, they might be top tier, or at least high.
Reptikahn
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This guy.
I like you, you know your SSBB stuff.
Do you play the game competitively?
But yeah you are right and then you're not.
It only took about a couple of months to finally realize people who were in mid tier deserved to be in High.
And also, MK was always god tier, D3, Snake and Falco were also always high tier since the first one
But I get what you're saying.
Eh, I'm still technically right. Snake/MK/KD [or D3 as you call him] were all "suspects for high tier" not fully official high tier. [Their tier placement was more placeholder until it was further investigated or until more information was discovered] However, in the end the suspect of them being high tier was proven 100% fact.[or whatever you'd call it in the case of a tier list XD] I know many people were surprised on Snake's placement, thanks to camping being dominant.
Edit: I'm wrong again on a portion. MK was always believed to be top due to his speed, priority and more. [Even if he is fragile]
Also, MK/KD/Snake/Falco weren't in Super Smash Bros. I think you mean SSBM [Though Snake/MK/KD weren't in that either], unless you were testing my knowledge/meaning SSBM on Falco.
The only game in SSB series I played competitively was SSBM. Ganondorf to the max.
No. That's not true. You can beat a top tier character if you have enough skill but basing judgement on two players using equal skill who will have more advantages:
Mewtwo will still trump Fox, but that doesn't make him by any means high tier due to someone skillful using him. Heck, Bowser was never able to improve in SSBM because of how bad he was. Worst character in a fighter ever. Seriously. Not joking at all.
Well, most people know information on CSZ's moveset [was leaked] thus most people have figured if he is like Sub-Zero. ZOMG: Powerful. In general a lot of people believe Sub will be high. I agree quite well. Most people are judging Sheeva based on passed games and the fact we know she's a grappler... Well it makes it hard for her to run in on zoners/spacers. Though Stryker is more guesses than anything based off his past gameplay.
In the end I'd take it worth a grain of salt as far as estimations go.
.:Reptile:.
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From the hard evidence (demo/visualised kombos and gameplay)
(I don't believe in tiers..I do believe in cheap things breaking games though.) ((*Examples: Sentinal, Akuma, Boss Kharacters in Armageddon, UMP Silenced in MW2, AK47u Grip/Famas Silenced in BlackOps, Using Smoke in earlier MK's* ))
So far I 100% believe=Scorpian is cheap/broken (55% kombos/practically unavoidable specials if kombo'd into also fast and yet still heavy damage plus a quick X-ray to top it all off?!?..
Wow, this better be fixed. I hate stuff like the above with a passion totally destroy the "fun factor" in a game when you meet someone who does this and says "Du-huhuhu...Well I play to win and if you don't pick the cheapest/easiest to use things in a game your a "scrub".
Thats all im ever going to say about that topic.
(( If you are one of the above people who does said things...No Offence but I **@#&*@ hate you with a dark, burning passion..A nightmarish, swirling acidic, infernonado of a passion. You ruin games and I hate ever fiber that is your being..and yes don't even bother asking trolls; cause yes..I AM MAD BRO )).
(I don't believe in tiers..I do believe in cheap things breaking games though.) ((*Examples: Sentinal, Akuma, Boss Kharacters in Armageddon, UMP Silenced in MW2, AK47u Grip/Famas Silenced in BlackOps, Using Smoke in earlier MK's* ))
So far I 100% believe=Scorpian is cheap/broken (55% kombos/practically unavoidable specials if kombo'd into also fast and yet still heavy damage plus a quick X-ray to top it all off?!?..
Wow, this better be fixed. I hate stuff like the above with a passion totally destroy the "fun factor" in a game when you meet someone who does this and says "Du-huhuhu...Well I play to win and if you don't pick the cheapest/easiest to use things in a game your a "scrub".
Thats all im ever going to say about that topic.
(( If you are one of the above people who does said things...No Offence but I **@#&*@ hate you with a dark, burning passion..A nightmarish, swirling acidic, infernonado of a passion. You ruin games and I hate ever fiber that is your being..and yes don't even bother asking trolls; cause yes..I AM MAD BRO )).
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