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Commander said:
It's the same way that the Tarkatan variation was done for those that wanted Baraka, and Kitana's Mournful variation was done for Jade fans.
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I agreed all up until this point... Because Alien and Kitana still have their Alien-specific and Kitana-specific special moves in those Variations.

For Kitana to have a REAL Jade Variation, she wouldn't use her fans at all and have none of her own special moves, but all would be replaced with her using the staff and glaive instead.

However, since Kitana's normal combos use fans, it wouldn't have been possible, unlike Triborg who doesn't have any normal moves that are character specific, and no special moves that are usable in all Variations. And what is cool about that is that some of the moves and combos were altered and all special moves were 100% based on the Variation you chose. So if you choose Sektor, nothing about him feels like any of the other Variations.

That's not the case with Alien and Kitana though.
 
Triborg doesn't have to be playable to be canon. Skarlet is canon and she wasn't in either of MK9 or MKX's main story modes. As I've already mentioned, Triborg can simply be the catalyst in which the Cyborgs return. The cybernetic database is canon, Sektor retaining his memories is canon and Cyborg clones are canon.

There's no reason at all he can't be canon. If MK11 doesn't have variations, then Sektor takes over Triborg's body and Cyrax comes back to stop him. It's the least ridiculous scenario to bring these hugely popular characters back.
 
BBBLP said:
Triborg doesn't have to be playable to be canon. Skarlet is canon and she wasn't in either of MK9 or MKX's main story modes. As I've already mentioned, Triborg can simply be the catalyst in which the Cyborgs return. The cybernetic database is canon, Sektor retaining his memories is canon and Cyborg clones are canon.

There's no reason at all he can't be canon. If MK11 doesn't have variations, then Sektor takes over Triborg's body and Cyrax comes back to stop him. It's the least ridiculous scenario to bring these hugely popular characters back.
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If it means that Sektor will take over and be Sektor, and not some compilation of the cyborgs, then I am all for it! He can finally make the Tekunin and have ol' Subby along with Cyrax try and stop him. <3

But Triborg as Triborg in future games... no thanks.
 
I'd rather have Chameleon back than Triborg, and the former is even less canon than the latter.

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BBBLP said:
Triborg doesn't have to be playable to be canon. Skarlet is canon and she wasn't in either of MK9 or MKX's main story modes. As I've already mentioned, Triborg can simply be the catalyst in which the Cyborgs return. The cybernetic database is canon, Sektor retaining his memories is canon and Cyborg clones are canon.

There's no reason at all he can't be canon. If MK11 doesn't have variations, then Sektor takes over Triborg's body and Cyrax comes back to stop him. It's the least ridiculous scenario to bring these hugely popular characters back.
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If Skarlet was canon, then there would be a mention of her in MKX, and there is none.
Her bio and ending are as good as Freddy's if she's just a 1-time DLC "what if."
As for Triborg, why does he have to be the catalyst for Ketchup and Mustard?
Cyrax wasn't confirmed dead.
Sektor could also still live, since his head is technically being kept alive.
Why can't Frost (for example) defect from the Lin Kuei, take Sektor's breathing apparatus and head, and put his head on another Tekunin body that could be lying around?
It's as plausible of a plot as Sektor taking over Triborg, and it would also give Frost more of an important role in MK11.
That's just an example, though.

Agreed, there's no reason that it can't be canon, but for now it really isn't.
As you said, Cyrax is still around.
Smoke is also now Enenra (or a dead revenant that can be brought back).
Also, if Sektor takes over Triborg, then he technically isn't TRIborg, he's just now Sektor version 2.0, which is what I've been really getting at.
If the plot that you mention comes to fruition, then there is NO Triborg for the duration of MK11, just Sektor, and that's the point.
Triborg would make a short cameo, and Sektor version 2.0 would be the canon for MK11.
Given that we don't know what NRS plans to do with Triborg, at the moment, though, for now he really isn't canon.
 
Commander said:
If Skarlet was canon, then there would be a mention of her in MKX, and there is none.
Her bio and ending are as good as Freddy's if she's just a 1-time DLC "what if."
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Uhm, why wouldn't Skarlet be canon? She's in the MKX comics and the Reiko Accords mentioned in the game is a reference to what happened in those comics.
 
Commander said:
If Skarlet was canon, then there would be a mention of her in MKX, and there is none.
Her bio and ending are as good as Freddy's if she's just a 1-time DLC "what if."
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She's Reiko's second in command in the MKX comics, which are canon.


Triborg is a canon character. We've never had a playable, non canon MK character before, so why assume there's one now? It makes the most sense to assume that he is canon. And if Sektor does indeed take over his body for MK11, that doesn't make him non canon. Onaga took over Reptile's body, but that didn't erase Reptile from the mythos.
 
BBBLP said:
She's Reiko's second in command in the MKX comics, which are canon.


Triborg is a canon character. We've never had a playable, non canon MK character before, so why assume there's one now? It makes the most sense to assume that he is canon. And if Sektor does indeed take over his body for MK11, that doesn't make him non canon. Onaga took over Reptile's body, but that didn't erase Reptile from the mythos.
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Huh?
We've never had a playable, non-canon MK character before?
So, does Tremor not count, then?
I don't recall Special Forces ever being canon to the new rebooted MK timeline, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Why assume that there can't be a playable, non-canon MK character?
Triborg was done as a DLC fan service to those that wanted the cyborgs back.
Why are you acting as if Sektor or the other cyborgs can't come back by any other means, and that Triborg is the only answer?
As I said before, Cyrax is still alive and Smoke can be resurrected again because it's MK, and the whole "no one ever really dies in MK" stigma is still true, as MKX has been proven with Sub-Zero, Scorpion and Jax.
Plus, it seems like an easier task to bring a cyborg back than a human back in the MK-verse.
Install the head cyber head onto a new cyborg body, and viola.
 
Tremor is also canon and part of MKX's story. He's the one who got the Psyche Bomb from the Dreamrealm, the weapon Kano used to steal Shinnok's amulet from the SF.

What's the point of assuming something else when the contradictory has been true for for so long? Cyborg's could come back another way, but why would they? Triborg is canon as far as I'm concerned. So let's agree to disagree
 
BBBLP said:
What's the point of assuming something else when the contradictory has been true for for so long? Cyborg's could come back another way, but why would they? Triborg is canon as far as I'm concerned. So let's agree to disagree
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I'll agree to disagree, then.
As of now (MKX), Triborg isn't canon.

Cyrax is still alive, and MKX has proven that both Smoke and Sektor can come back via hocus pocus MK magic.
If Quan Chi can bring back human Sub-Zero by separating Cyber Sub-Zero's vital organs and giving him a new body, Shinnok isn't dead after Raiden decapitated him and Sektor is still living via his head connected to a breathing apparatus, then Sektor can still come back without Triborg.
If NRS decided that they'd undo Cyber Sub-Zero and bring back human Sub-Zero in MKX, then the same can be re-written for just about any other character out there.

Also, Cyber Smoke is non-canon in this new timeline, and Cyber Smoke is technically the default for Triborg.
 
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Commander said:
As I said before, Cyrax is still alive
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If you assume Skarlet is non-canon, because she isn't mentioned in MKX, then Cyrax could just as well be dead and not alive, since he isn't mentioned in MKX either. We know Sub-Zero got rid of all cyborgs and took back the Lin Kuei, so why do you assume Cyrax is alive and well? Where does it say that?
 
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If you assume Skarlet is non-canon, because she isn't mentioned in MKX, then Cyrax could just as well be dead and not alive, since he isn't mentioned in MKX either. We know Sub-Zero got rid of all cyborgs and took back the Lin Kuei, so why do you assume Cyrax is alive and well? Where does it say that?
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You also assumed that Cyrax would be alive and well, moving on forward, so don't just point fingers at me........

theincubuslord said:
If it means that Sektor will take over and be Sektor, and not some compilation of the cyborgs, then I am all for it! He can finally make the Tekunin and have ol' Subby along with Cyrax try and stop him. <3

But Triborg as Triborg in future games... no thanks.
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You are correct, though.
Cyrax can be considered either dead or alive, as can Noob Saibot, given that their whereabouts are unknown.


Either way, my point still stands with Cyber Smoke not being canon in this timeline, and still being a playable DLC character.
Cyber Smoke being the default middle variation and being the default character in the trailer for KP2 is a reason why I don't think Triborg will be canon, moving on forward.
If ALL of the Tekunin were destroyed, according to MKX, then that would include Triborg.
 
Sektor is the default middle variation.
Triborg's base design from the trailer is actually Cyber Sub Zero
Sektor had a cloning facility, which probably had Cyber Smoke's schematics
 
Triborg's bio, in and of itself is contradictory.


"Years ago, the Lin Kuei Grandmaster determined that his assassin clan would be more effective by eliminating their human weaknesses. They would adopt cybernetic bodies and technologically enhanced minds. In preparation, the Grandmaster ordered all members to submit to tests, during which their physical and mental data was secretly recorded and stored in an offsite database. After Sub-Zero eliminated all cyber-Lin Kuei, Special Forces discovered their hidden data storage site. They brought the drives to a secret S-F weapons lab, then downloaded several files into a test body. The consciousness of Sektor, Cyrax and Smoke somehow intermingled and brought the body to life. The "Triborg" wiped the lab clean of human occupants -- and now seeks to eliminate all organic life."



Either Sub-Zero killed all of the Lin Kuei (per MKX), or he did not.
I'm inclined to believe the former, given that it is part of the in-game storyline.
If Sub-Zero did destroy all of the cyber Lin Kuei (per MKX), then there shouldn't be a "test" body as he would have also destroyed the cloning facility along with all of the clones.
1 fact contradicts the other.

As of MKX, Cyber Sub-Zero is just another "what if" character, which also makes Triborg less canon (imo).
Cyber Sub-Zero is in the same boat as human Liu Kang, human Kung Lao and human Kitana.
No longer canon as of MKX, but still playable in MKX.
 
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The test body was created by Special Forces I assumed. Trying to make some super weapon that backfired

Cyber Sub-Zero's existence is canon. Triborg is Triborg, he mimics Cyber Sub-Zero, but it isn't actually CSZ.
 
As far as the MK reboot goes, IIRC, the Lin Kuei were the only ones concerned with fully cybernetic bodies.
Otherwise, wouldn't Raiden also have scolded Sonya and Jax for doing the same thing in the Special Forces, just like he scolded Cyrax for the Lin Kuei doing the cyber initiative?
The cyber initiative / cybernetic full bodies were purely a Lin Kuei thing in MK9.
Given that Triborg (for now) isn't canon, his bio can be taken as seriously as Alien, Predator or Leatherface's bio.
If he becomes canon in MK11, then his MKX bio can be considered as canon, imo.

Cyber Sub-Zero WAS canon.
As of MKX, NRS / Shawn retconned Cyber Sub-Zero with the re-introduction of Kuai-Liang as human Sub-Zero.
Triborg, imo, is as canon as human Liu Kang, human Kitana and human Kung Lao in MKX.
All just glorified "what if" characters / scenarios that are playable in MKX.
All just done for fan service (nothing wrong with that), but all of which also may not necessarily be canon following MKX.
Liu Kang, Kitana and Kung Lao will likely still be revenants at the beginning of MK11, and both Sektor and Cyrax could return via other means.
Triborg isn't necessarily a MUST in order for Sektor to return in MK11.
 
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Just read the comics dude. Cyber Sub Zero wasn't retconned. Quan Chi tore off all of Sub-Zero's enhancements and resurrected him with flesh.
 
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