What they are pretty much doing to Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) (spoilers in a way)

Reptikahn,

What are you talking about? The history of Sub Zero is important for him and yours fans. For us, no matter if he wins or not the tournament. We don’t want to boon spoil HIS HISTORY with this Cyber Sub Zero. I did not like him, he’s a clichê a mix of Predator and Robocop and sub zero is a character with a solid fan base, He does not need to increase your fan base, he's a must popular of Mk. Boon could interfere with other, but not the icon Sub zero. I hope this cyborg end this or in next MK.

Another thing, You talk of Liu Kang, Raiden and blah blah blah... But marketing is done on Sub and Scorpion. Who sells Mk are you icons.
 
I hope NRS keeps Sub-Zero as a cyborg, just to piss off fans even further. I've actually seen posts of people in this thread saying they will avoid buying MK10 because of what happens to Sub-Zero, which, to put it, is simply laughable in every way possible. I don't care how "justified" you think you are in saying that, it is still laughable. If you want your good old-fashioned BORING Sub-Zero, then go live in the past and play the previous games. But if you actually want to move ahead and see what exciting things NRS has in store for the series and Sub-Zero, then come with me and the rest of the MK fanbase; trust me when I say the latter is a MUCH better way to go.

Get over it, seriously. Has Ed Boon not already said the story would change this time around? I think he did. You selfish-ass fanboys and fangirls forget the fact that NRS is trying to develop another Lin Kuei warrior that they have neglected in the past, BTW. I'll let you figure out his name and powers on your own.
 
Bruce Norris Forever said:
I hope NRS keeps Sub-Zero as a cyborg, just to piss off fans even further. I've actually seen posts of people in this thread saying they will avoid buying MK10 because of what happens to Sub-Zero, which, to put it, is simply laughable in every way possible. I don't care how "justified" you think you are in saying that, it is still laughable. If you want your good old-fashioned BORING Sub-Zero, then go live in the past and play the previous games. But if you actually want to move ahead and see what exciting things NRS has in store for the series and Sub-Zero, then come with me and the rest of the MK fanbase; trust me when I say the latter is a MUCH better way to go.

Get over it, seriously. Has Ed Boon not already said the story would change this time around? I think he did. You selfish-ass fanboys and fangirls forget the fact that NRS is trying to develop another Lin Kuei warrior that they have neglected in the past, BTW. I'll let you figure out his name and powers on your own.
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Only in you vision. In my, Boon could create a new Cyborg, without changing Kuai liang. Why Change only He? Why Boon Not change his beloved Scorpion or another? Two weights and two measures, you see only one side of coin.

Another thing, you will not play with others caracters since they remain the same. You is contradictory in you post.
 
Um, Scorpion can't be transformed into a cyborg;
he's a SPECTRE.

BTW, I wasn't talking to you unless you said you were boycotting MK10 because of Cyber Subby.

Please tell me how I was contradictory when I only said Sub-Zero's old-fashioned, human form was (getting) boring, I never said I wouldn't play as him. I definitely will play as him, I still love Sub-Zero cyborg or human. I'm not a huge fan of the MK team going the actual reptile look for Reptile, yet I still love him and will always play as him. And Reptile gets screwed WAY more than Sub-Zero ever did in his storyline. Same thing for Scorpion. His whole clan and family got killed, the original Sub-Zero killed him in cold-blood, as well, he almost got ripped apart by the Soulnado in DA, and is defeated by Kuai Liang in the new story. Scorpion gets screwed all the time, see? Sub-Zero gets turned into a cyborg for the first time, and REGAINS his humanity soon after, Yet Ed Boon still has an agenda against Sub-Zero, huh? You are seriously grasping at straws here if you think that.
 
Bruce Norris Forever said:
Um, Scorpion can't be transformed into a cyborg;
he's a SPECTRE.

BTW, I wasn't talking to you unless you said you were boycotting MK10 because of Cyber Subby.

Please tell me how I was contradictory when I only said Sub-Zero's old-fashioned, human form was (getting) boring, I never said I wouldn't play as him. I definitely will play as him, I still love Sub-Zero cyborg or human. I'm not a huge fan of the MK team going the actual reptile look for Reptile, yet I still love him and will always play as him. And Reptile gets screwed WAY more than Sub-Zero ever did in his storyline. Same thing for Scorpion. His whole clan and family got killed, the original Sub-Zero killed him in cold-blood, as well, he almost got ripped apart by the Soulnado in DA, and is defeated by Kuai Liang in the new story. Scorpion gets screwed all the time, see? Sub-Zero gets turned into a cyborg for the first time, and REGAINS his humanity soon after, Yet Ed Boon still has an agenda against Sub-Zero, huh? You are seriously grasping at straws here if you think that.
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Where I said turn scorpion in cyborg? I talked about changes similar with this.

Yes, you have been contradictory. The way you spoke, everything that was not big changes is old and antiquated, then, off sub, the rest is old in you opinion.
 
Why he was automated and not someone else... Easy... Last time it was Smoke and this time it is Sub. End

Change was obivious
 
KiShiDo said:
Why he was automated and not someone else... Easy... Last time it was Smoke and this time it is Sub. End

Change was obivious
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As I said before, NR could have created a new cyborg, keeping Kuai liang and his
great history, maybe changing some details as in the other main characters. It's my opinion.
 
REAL SNAKE said:
Where I said turn scorpion in cyborg? I talked about changes similar with this.

Yes, you have been contradictory. The way you spoke, everything that was not big changes is old and antiquated, then, off sub, the rest is old in you opinion.
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OK, first off, I never said or even implied that everybody needs to go through some big change to be adequate in my eyes. A lot of characters, such as Jax or Kitana, are perfectly the way they are right now. I merely said that it was refreshing to see Sub-Zero's new direction, and that if you don't like the change, then go play as the human version. I really don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth and saying I said stuff when I really didn't. And, still, like I said, none of this was contradictory, I even gave you an example of me not liking Reptile's reptilian look. Not all change is good, but a lot of the time, including Sub-Zero, it is. He's had the same human form ever since MK2, so I think him changing into a cyborg is pretty refreshing. I've at least the decency to back up my statements; is it that hard for you to do the same?

And, for the record, how can Scorpion change into anything right now since he's a spectre?!
 
REAL SNAKE said:
As I said before, NR could have created a new cyborg, keeping Kuai liang and his
great history, maybe changing some details as in the other main characters. It's my opinion.
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Yes They could of created a new Kombatant but Ed Boon said he wanted to stick to the main line up of MK I- MK III. So if they did create a new character then it wouldn't of fit the standard Ed Boon set for NRS. Kuai liang has one of the best story lines in the series, but think about it Kuai Lang was Smokes best friend, what would it of been like if Kuai stayed back and let Smoke escape how different would the story be. Thats what this game is going to answer. As far as changes in other main characters Jax
Spoiler:
his arms are now actually robotic and not just a metal over his regular arms.
 
Why should the team have to create a whole new cyborg just to save Kuai Liang's ass from automation? That's just a waste of time to me. Sub-Zero is not infallible; he needs to go through some type of struggle. Sub-Zero never really got a scratch on him like the others; every time he "faces a new threat", he always has to make it out OK; the only time he ever even got close to death was in Deception, and even then Sareena jumped in at the last minute to fend off Noob and Smoke. I'm not saying he has to die, but it's only necessary that Sub-Zero goes through SOMETHING, and if that means getting converted into a cyborg, then so be it. That will make his victories even more impressive, if he faces a serious threat while trying to accomplish his goals in life.
 
REAL SNAKE said:
Reptikahn,

What are you talking about? The history of Sub Zero is important for him and yours fans. For us, no matter if he wins or not the tournament. We don’t want to boon spoil HIS HISTORY with this Cyber Sub Zero. I did not like him, he’s a clichê a mix of Predator and Robocop and sub zero is a character with a solid fan base, He does not need to increase your fan base, he's a must popular of Mk. Boon could interfere with other, but not the icon Sub zero. I hope this cyborg end this or in next MK.

Another thing, You talk of Liu Kang, Raiden and blah blah blah... But marketing is done on Sub and Scorpion. Who sells Mk are you icons.
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You're still ignoring other statements made.


Scorpion and Sub-Zero's plot in the great scheme of MK is pointless. What does Scorpion do when he gets revenge or revives his clan/family? He would have no more storyline. What happens when Sub-Zero either dies or survives? Nothing. Frost is a basket case [lol], Smoke is a cyborg forever [now a cyber demon] and even in MKA endings Sub-Zero was only able to change himself and Noob Saibot to another plain.

Edit: I'm not a fan of Scorpion just because he has a "filler" as they'd call it in anime, storyline. I'm a fan of what makes Scorpion, Scorpion. Heck find 20% of Scorpion fans who even know his original name and I'll be surprised, or people who even understand a large portion of MK storyline and I'll give you a car.

People have had many different reasons for liking characters, story is not the sole dependent factor.

Second, they may be icons, but that doesn't make them important to the storyline. By that logic Felicia is super important to Dark Stalkers storyline.

Edit 2: Also that's pretty fanatic saying Boon can mess with every other character but Sub-Zero. Yet you call Boon a fanboy, =/. Seriously being a huge Scorpion/Sub/Shao Kahn/Kabal/Stryker/Cyrax/etc. fan I hope they do great scales of change in the next MK. I wouldn't start hating Cyrax if he was more human.

A figure is still a figure with or without a coat of paint on. They can still repeat events from the original timeline while adding more depth to the character. You keep going on about "It'll ruin the original history" No, MKA already did that. Subby died. Bye bye.

MK2011 gives a chance to give more events, more plot, more rich history to each character. Whether it be Kabal [Finally Reptile is hinted at causing his attack, that's a pretty big detail that was never actually admited in the original storyline] or Scorpion [losing to Sub-Zero and never figuring out he isn't Elder Sub] regardless of what happens, I think we should give it a chance before just bashing it, because seriously I think Boon/Co are better writers to storylines than most of you on here or a lot brighter than to just ruin his image.

Don't argue "Well he's ruined now." You have no clue, until you admit that, nobody will see you other than rabid fanboys.
 
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To say someone is a fanboy if they decide not to get a following game if their favorite character is "ruined", that's THEIR CALL, not yours. Period. Is it fanatic? Possibly, but if they pay $65, after tax in the United States, to play a game as their favorite character in said game, and their character changes from what they like, faulting them on their decision is, in my humble opinion, ARROGANT OF YOU. If, for instance, I like Jason Bourne movies for Jason Bourne, it's MY CALL to not see the new Jason Bourne movie, since Jason Bourne is absent, personally. If an emotional link to a series is taken away, why should that person be condemned for not wanting to partake in it? Grow up.

That said, whether Sub-Zero is ruined is a case of PERSPECTIVE ONLY, and while people should feel free to express their opinion, saying he's ruined or not "officially" either way is asinine. The game isn't even out yet, and we don't know what will happen next, how he plays, etc. I for one HATE the idea, but am willing to give the creators a chance. Whether others don't give it a chance IS THEIR CALL, and I cannot fault others for choosing how to spend their own money. Do I think some people are extreme in their views? Yes, but they have every right to be.

And YES, Sub-Zero's and Scorpion's stories are filler, side stories not essential to the main tale, but how definitive is said main tale? Other than Shaolin Monks and this new MK game with it's story mode, how often has Mortal Kombat had a focused narrative, on singular characters? ONLY Shujink and Taven have been protagonists in the main games, as Liu Kang may have been the champion of Mortal Kombat, but to me, even that is filler. It's about the tournaments, the invasions, the alliances, etc. The Avengers isn't about Captain America or Iron Man or Thor, it's about ALL OF THEM COMING TOGETHER TO FACE A THREAT, same as Mortal Kombat. In this regards, sure, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are central figures, and their side-stories are easily the most fleshed out. Further example? Marvel's GI Joe. Sure, Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow are not the STORY, it's GI Joe vs Cobra, but Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow are central characters in that story. So the argument of how important Sub-Zero and Scorpion are to the overall story of Mortal Kombat is, to me, defined as this; are they the main characters? No. Are they central characters, who are used as emotional anchors for the viewers and players? Yes, definitely. To me, arguing this further will derail the purpose of this thread, which is to discuss the changes to Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat (2011), and not whether or not people "deserve" or "should" be upset, if you understand my meaning.

If I may attempt to get this topic "back on topic", might I say-

Sub-Zero is my favorite character in Mortal Kombat, and I dislike the way they are taking this story, but I hope it will come out a different way in the end. As of now, the Cyber Sub-Zero story is a major unknown, and while his new look is cool and twisted, in a good way, Sub-Zero to me needs the traditional ninja garb and ice arms, the latter which could be a future result of his time as a cyborg.

I hope this becomes a stepping stone to future stories (or redos of old ones) such as the Cryomancer link, ice arms, Dragon Medallion and more.
 
Nathan Smith said:
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To say someone is a fanboy if they decide not to get a following game if their favorite character is "ruined", that's THEIR CALL, not yours. Period. Is it fanatic? Possibly, but if they pay $65, after tax in the United States, to play a game as their favorite character in said game, and their character changes from what they like, faulting them on their decision is, in my humble opinion, ARROGANT OF YOU. If, for instance, I like Jason Bourne movies for Jason Bourne, it's MY CALL to not see the new Jason Bourne movie, since Jason Bourne is absent, personally. If an emotional link to a series is taken away, why should that person be condemned for not wanting to partake in it? Grow up.
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[Assuming this is directed at me]

That's not why I was saying he was being fanatical.

The very fact he decides to call out Boon first off [when confronted with the truth], he decies to play it destroys who Sub-Zero is [again in the information he isn't.] Shows that said person is ignoring logic which isn't arrogant to say said person is acting like a fanboy. Whether he buys it I don't really care. He doesn't have to for all I care. No offense to him, but I'm not going to let a change like that when Boon says a playable human model will always be available ruin my day. Also, sure every fan has a right to an extreme opinion until they derail from an opinion and flat out attack another individual [Boon who deserves no such insult at his reputation] and other incorrect statements expressed in this topic.

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Eh, also on your statement on the characters, defending the realms... Sub-Zero nor Scorpion actually helped with any tournaments. Sub-Zero in paticular avoided them during MKDA-MKD, and Scorpion was always neutral and not caring. They have as much importance to the story as Meat does literally.

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Anyway, I think people are forgetting that Sub-Zero may be affected now but of course: ---->More changes are going to occur later on. Without Smoke, will Noob Saibot show his true motive? Will Sub-Zero cause Quan Chi's death stopping the formation of the DA? Will the Scorpion chasing down Sub conflict continue into future iterations?

Only time will tell.
 
Reptikahn,

I don’t care if you defend Boon, if he is your idol. The Fact is: He did not create Mk alone. It is clear that their views and preferences are getting most of all and things should not work that way.

He depends of fans for survival. If fans do not like, do not buy the game and the game fails. I give the game a try, but if I do not like, i will not buy again and I've always been a fan of MK since the beginning.

In my opinion, Yes, Boon is a fanboy, until the symbol of NR is represented by his beloved Scorpion. In my previous posts, já mostrei vários fatores que indicam this, now stay with your truth, i belive in facts. When Tobias was at the Project, everything was more impartial, when he leaves, the quality of the game fell. But okay, i give a chance to the game, i'm a very fan of MK and i believe that the cyborg is not Kuai Liang, if so, that somehow everything is back at final.
 
REAL SNAKE said:
Reptikahn,

I don’t care if you defend Boon, if he is your idol. The Fact is: He did not create Mk alone. It is clear that their views and preferences are getting most of all and things should not work that way.

He depends of fans for survival. If fans do not like, do not buy the game and the game fails. I give the game a try, but if I do not like, i will not buy again and I've always been a fan of MK since the beginning.

In my opinion, Yes, Boon is a fanboy, until the symbol of NR is represented by his beloved Scorpion. In my previous posts, já mostrei vários fatores que indicam this, now stay with your truth, i belive in facts. When Tobias was at the Project, everything was more impartial, when he leaves, the quality of the game fell. But okay, i give a chance to the game, i'm a very fan of MK and i believe that the cyborg is not Kuai Liang, if so, that somehow everything is back at final.
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The thing is Boon is not my idol. In fact I dislike Boon for other reasons. However, I'm not going to insult a man who is not a fanboy and label him as such just because I can't have my own greedy wants and desires fulfilled. Not only is that spiteful but again greedy in a child-to-parent sort of way.

"I hate you mom, you won't let me hang out with my friends. Until you let me, I hate you."
"I hate you Boon, changing any aspect of Sub-Zero. Until you change him back, I hate you."

Not much difference.

Another thing you still keep ignoring is that MK team has been making Sub-Zero popular each game. A fanboy = someone who likes a character to blinding truth Anti fanboy= Someone who hates a character to removal.

You think Boon is a anti-fanboy of Sub-Zero? The one character out of last timeline who is probably one of few who never died in the storyline. Edit: Bar MKA.

Now let me ask you something, if you were to try and say Boon was a fanboy of Scorpion:

1) Why did he let Quan Chi beat him at Soulnado A fanboy would have made it so Scorpion won.
2)Scorpion lost to Shujinko, why?
3)Scorpion was beat down by Drahmin and Moloch which were widely hated characters, again why?
4) Sub-Zero beats Scorpion in this timeline of MK2, why?


Look at the facts and stop ignoring them. It's not an opinion, it's purely incorrect. The opinion defense only works in the case an opinion is not speaking on something substantiated by proof or facts.

The facts are present. Boon does not love Scorpion more than Sub-Zero, in fact making Sub-Zero more popular designs and more hints at this. The fact that Sub-Zero only died in MKA [where as Scorpion died every single game pretty much], and more.

The truth is:

You are spiteful because they changed your character. Call anyone a fanboy all you want, but in the end you are the one ignoring facts and truth. Not Boon, not the large mass of the fanbase. You are. Also, the funny thing is you said "Impratial?"

Lol, the same guy who ran the series storyline to : "Liu Kang always winning. " "Scorpion always beating Sub-Zero including MK1's elder sub" and pretty much turned potential characters into mush for no reason. [As in having no substance?] Let alone, that most of the popularity increases to Sub-Zero happened during MK4-MKD time.

But, believe what you want. Most people will acknowledge the truth anyway.
 
Im a big Sub-Zero fan but ill tell I dont want the same thing in every game! Just like in Deception I loved how they changed him, while most people hated it. Whats the point in having the same thing in every game. I like the new direction and cant wait to see what becomes of him. I will say that I do perfer him as a human/Cyromancer over a cyborg, but its a refreshing change. You need to wait for the game and give it some time before you make a final judgement on him IMO
 
Boon did lose scorpion to transform him in Champion of Elder God’s, the most bizarre and forced thing in the universe of MK.

Boon is not a Fanboy? :rolleyes:

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and with the utmost respect for the fans of Sub Zero, the "cliche mor":

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I wonder if they did this to make Fans angry, much like Devil May Cry did with Donte.

I mean, if they really wanted a Fridgerator, couldn't they have used Frost and left Subby alone?
 
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