"Superman Returns"

ChiefThunder

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Fans have complained that Lex Luthor is not a strong enough villain to face off against Superman and that the man of steel needs to fight a more powerful evildoer in the "Superman Returns" sequel. Warner Bros agreed and has promised more action in the second installment, which they stated will be much darker. So why are they bringing Lex Luthor back?​

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According to The Independent, producers of the film will be paying Kevin Spacey "big bucks to reprise his role as Lex Luthor next year." It has been said that the sequel will begin shooting in 2009 to have the film ready by 2011. What do you guys think, is it a good idea to bring Lex Luthor back, or should Warner Bros instead introduce a character like Doomsday into the franchise?
 
Both. With special effects today, we need Doomsday, Darkseid or Mongul. THe All American Boy would be cool too, but it really needs Doomsday to preceed it. But every film could improve a bit from some Kevin Spacey, apart from the films that already have Kevin Spacey in them.
 
Awesome! There's been several rumors about the sequel supposedly named The Man of Steel but who knows that might even change.

I did read of late that it will be darker and the villian will be a lot bigger, baddie more powerful more on Supes level.

So you know it's going to be(besides lex) which I liked btw Kevin's performance either Brainaic, Doomsday, Darkseid or Bizarro. Reminded me of an older, darker Lex from Smallville honestly.

I'm also hoping to see more of his son more mature and help out since he has powers as well and isn't effected by Green K apparently.
 
Ditto ^ I liked his Lex way more then Hackmans, don't get me wrong, Hackman is a great actor but for lex? Way too comical IMO while Spacey's was brilliant and Rosenbaums(Smallville) is also great
 
Kevin Spacey is no doubt the best part of Superman Returns. I don't mind one bit his return in a sequel...to returns. He's Superman's greatest foe. Soldier villains don't fight with their minds, but they do make for more entertaining action scenes. I'd like to see a big fight with Darkseid, Doomsday, Brainiac, Mongul, Cyborg Superman, ANYONE. But it's just not Superman without Lex in there plotting SOMETHING.
 
I haven't been keeping up with the Superman series. Can someone explain how Lex is a baddie? I mean, I saw a few Smallville episodes but he looks so weak. He doesn't have any powers right? What's so bad about him?
 
He's a brilliant intelect and winds up becoming president, even having his own version of the Justice League working for him at one point. He plays on the fact that Superman won't kill him. Oh yeah, and he has an Iron Man-esque power suit and an impressive Kryptonite collection.

Don't take anything in Smallville as Canon
 
And a genius level intellect. Baddies that fight with their mind are the most dangerous. After all, nobody can match Superman in terms of strength, so Lex just puts him in impossible situations, messes him up with kryptonite, steals his girl, etc. etc. etc. Read a comic book why dontcha.
 
Lex is just human, but arguably the smartest foe of Superman and one(if not the smartest) Villian ever in comics. And rumors have it Lex will have his suit perhaps so we'll see

BTW, some stuff in Smallville is actually canon such as the Justice League, to name one, Lana was his H.S. GF as explained in the comics and 1st and 3rd film and how clark grew up goraka, there was also a mini comic which very few know about where Clark and Lex DID meet as teenagers before becoming enemies later on. So, believe it or not Smallville for the most part is canon. There's some things that aren't or added for "coolness" factor like meteor freaks
 
Lex Luthor is AWESOME. He needs to be way darker than he was so I'm happy they're at least doing that.....Kevin Spacey was a great LL. I thought at first that it was a weird choice but he was the best part of the whole movie.

I'm hoping they at least make the next installment NOT suck.
 
Plus he bumps out people like Lobo that would be so awesome to have. Anyway, while you are correct on some level MKF Smallville isn't technically considered canon. While some canon elements make APPEARANCES in Smallville, NOTHING created ONLY for Smallville that HASN'T been stated elsewhere is canon. Of course the justice league is a canonical entity, but it wasn't created for Smallville and all the stuff they do in it long before Superman becomes a household name is totally not part of the normal comics continuity.

Smallville is much like the DC animated universe. It's a self-contained world which incorporates most of the characters and traits of it's source material but diverges drastically in storyline content thus making it not canon with the comics, but canon within it's own universe. Things like say, the Batman animated movies (Mask of the Phantasm for instance) that depict past relationships for Bruce Wayne just out of the blue and mess with other well established facts (Who the Joker was and worked for before he became who he is for instance), don't really count when talking about them outside that context.

Understand what I'm saying?
 
Plus he bumps out people like Lobo that would be so awesome to have. Anyway, while you are correct on some level MKF Smallville isn't technically considered canon. While some canon elements make APPEARANCES in Smallville, NOTHING created ONLY for Smallville that HASN'T been stated elsewhere is canon. Of course the justice league is a canonical entity, but it wasn't created for Smallville and all the stuff they do in it long before Superman becomes a household name is totally not part of the normal comics continuity.

Smallville is much like the DC animated universe. It's a self-contained world which incorporates most of the characters and traits of it's source material but diverges drastically in storyline content thus making it not canon with the comics, but canon within it's own universe. Things like say, the Batman animated movies (Mask of the Phantasm for instance) that depict past relationships for Bruce Wayne just out of the blue and mess with other well established facts (Who the Joker was and worked for before he became who he is for instance), don't really count when talking about them outside that context.

Understand what I'm saying?



As someone here as you know(that's never missed a show of Smallville ha, ha) I can easily say that it's similar to the cartoon concept to which you refer (with minor things)but more more realistic obviously to the comics and not nearly as "out there" as cartoons are in general. Cartoons you can get away with a lot of stuff that you can't in a real actor TV show or movie so it's often "exaggerated" at times. If you watched the first Superman movie, his father dies he tells himself "Even with all those powers I couldn't save him" well Clark in Smallville is faced with tons of those situations since Season one, and thus he learns. So it makes perfect sense.

But that aside, the overall "main storyline" IS canon to what happens within the comics, example GA's past DID happen just like it did in the comics but deeper if anything and Smallville creators even said this. Clark Kent prior to being Superman was always "open to interpretation" as to how he lived as a teenager, in which Smallville fills in nicely. And like I said before, the Lex and Clark thing WAS canon in the comics in that small mini series comic which most people aren't aware of so it is canon. Most fans just aren't aware of it, I have the Superman history DVD and they also say it. I'm sure it's on youtube somewhere. They also elaborate more on Lois in which her past, were military brat which they also cover in the Superman Doomsday DVD besides Smallville. Pretty much what Smallville does is give more backstory to the more "unknown characters" or "well known" depending with a modern style to attract viewers of new and old. Example, GA's costume design...which is very canon to one of his original looks with the hoody, green etc but put a modern "style" to it with the sunglasses and gadgets(given that he's rich, he can afford it) And then there's the Justice League and Teen Titans who have appeared on Smallville as well. The only bigtime "made up character" for Smallville in Clark's life is Chloe and since that character was made up, she's grown so popular that she's a canon character now in the comics here and there which is pretty cool.

The Cartoons and Smallville isn't really comparable too much because the cartoons they had their own storylines made up out of nowhere where Smallville is more of a prequel to "Superman Saga" the only things they alter or add are things just to give Clark a challenge, help understand his destiny helping people and fighting villians that harm people. But notice they don't mess with anything "contradicting the Superman canon storyline later on" I remember when a lot of people thought Pete Ross was just a "new character" but they were wrong, in fact Pete was in the comics as one of his older friends when Clark was younger and got involved in politics which Pete "hinted" at last year in the show he came back in about "helping the world in some way"

It's ok if you're not sure which show I'm speaking of but trust me, I never miss a beat with Smallville. I watch the show religiously.:-D any questions you have, just ask
 
I don't know, everyone in the movie seemed miscast. Spacey may have given a good performance, but the Lex character in the movie was barely above Hackman's intentionally more comical version. A role written in the mid 70's, so bringing the character to the 21st century required him to be more menacing... and not a damn con artist robbing old ladies. I just don't find Spacey playing the genius menace type well, then again, it's probably just the script.

Returns was nothing more than a high budget homage to Donner's Superman (even had some lines). That didn't cut it, and honestly I thought the movie was worth watching once. It's hard to hate it because it's just a homage, but at the same time, Donner's movies (including his cut of Superman II) are still superior.

WB needs to ditch Singer and give the project to someone truly passionate about Superman and his universe; not someone who loved the movies as a kid. Basically someone like Nolan who did his homework on Batman and really loved the character.

If not, I'll be content with animated features. I liked Doomsday quite a bit, and I may double dip with the upcoming BD release (damn Warner is still opting for a standard lossy DD audio)
 
I'd rather they not get somebody like Nolan that's going to be unfaithful (whether he likes the source material and researched it or not). I'd rather see a movie akin to how Marvel views comic book movies. A faithful representation of the storylines and characters portrayed in the comic books.
 
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