[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

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BBBLP said:
Which intros point to it being Bi Han? The "Brother's Soul" one? Because last time I checked Quan Chi owned both of their souls at the end of MK9, and yet Kuai Liang is the only one we see free in MKX.
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- Quan Chi didn't own Bi-Han's soul at the end of MK9, much like how Scorpion was Quan Chi's servant and not a revenant (comics), Noob Saibot also seemed to freely serve Quan Chi in gratitude for Quan Chi bringing him back from the dead.
Unlike Sindel and the other dead under his control at the end of MK9, Noob Saibot was not "controlled" by Quan Chi.

- Scorpion's "MURDERER" line to him also points to Bi-Han, as Bi-Han is the sole murderer of Scorpion and the accused killer of his family and clan, as per MK9.

- The whole corrupted soul exchange with Sub-Zero and Ermac seems to refer (IMO) to Noob Saibot being corrupted / tainted as that new creation under Quan Chi, after he was infused with a wraith.
His soul was corrupted, hence why he ended up in hell when he died.
The ONLY reason why Kuai ended up in hell was because his soul was bargained to Quan Chi in a deal by Shao Kahn, in exchange for his service, but Kuai-Liang never had a tainted soul in MK9.
Corrupted souls seem to be those which are remade by Quan Chi, which Kuai, Kitana and Kung Lao never were in MK9 or seemingly in MKX.
Revenant = animated ghost / corpse.
That's not the same as being a corrupted soul.


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sub-one said:
Dude, just give it up. its Liang. the "corruption" quote is in reference to the Kamidogu controlling him like it controlled raiden. the "murderer" quote is most likely in reference to murders committed under the influence of the kamidogu.

Noob was a voluntary follower of Quan chi. It's Liang's punk ass. I wanted it to be Bi Han too, but it quite obviously isn't sorry bro. I'm pissed too. what a big steaming bore. so tired of little brother and his goody goody bullshit
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I'm not 100% convinced that MKX in-game Sub-Zero is Kuai in both costumes, unless he's also called Kuai in the masked costume.

I want a proper explanation for MKX in-game masked Sub-Zero being Kuai, as so far that evidence hasn't been shown.
 
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BBBLP said:
His Ice Daggers are only in one variation though. He isn't a straight up good guy, dude is just chilling in the mountains being King Kuei and shit. Cassie comes up there, he tells her to eat a dick, they fight and then he gives her some info. Pretty sure that's the extent of his goodness.
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Liang sucks. CASSIE beats his ass, nuff fukcing said! what a pansy bich! as of right now, fukc sub-zero. If i could change my handle i would. not pleased. this game just went from a definite buy to an "i'll get it when it's bargain priced"
 
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Commander said:
- Quan Chi didn't own Bi-Han's soul at the end of MK9, much like how Scorpion was Quan Chi's servant and not a revenant (comics), Noob Saibot also seemed to freely serve Quan Chi in gratitude for Quan Chi bringing him back from the dead.
Unlike Sindel and the other dead under his control at the end of MK9, Noob Saibot was not "controlled" by Quan Chi.

- Scorpion's "MURDERER" line to him also points to Bi-Han, as Bi-Han is the sole murderer of Scorpion and the accused killer of his family and clan, as per MK9.

- The whole corrupted soul exchange with Sub-Zero and Ermac seems to refer (IMO) to Noob Saibot being corrupted / tainted as that new creation under Quan Chi, after he was infused with a wraith.
His soul was corrupted, hence why he ended up in hell when he died.
The ONLY reason why Kuai ended up in hell was because his soul was bargained to Quan Chi in a deal by Shao Kahn, in exchange for his service, but Kuai-Liang never had a tainted soul in MK9.
Corrupted souls seem to be those which are remade by Quan Chi, which Kuai, Kitana and Kung Lao never were in MK9 or seemingly in MKX.
Revenant = animated ghost / corpse.
That's not the same as being a corrupted soul.
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How do you know that about Bi Han and Quan Chi though? Bi Han and Quan Chi were enemies before he died, he's more than likely a slave. Scorpion has NEVER talked Quan Chi up. "He has perfected me" that's some series nut hugging on Saibot's part. I say that Quan Chi controlled Noob Saibot.

Scorpion's "Murderer" line points to both of them since they're both Sub-Zero. Family and Clan or just Scorpion himself, we don't know what he means by murderer, but we do know that he thinks the Lin Kuei killed his clan. He would call any Lin Kuei member a murderer.


Those revenants are HELLA corrupted. They have orange veins of pure evil all over their bodies. That's not Sunkist my dude. They were good, then against their will they were made evil. That's the definition of corruption lol
 
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sub-one said:
Liang sucks. CASSIE beats his ass, nuff fukcing said! what a pansy bich! as of right now, fukc sub-zero. If i could change my handle i would. not pleased. this game just went from a definite buy to an "i'll get it when it's bargain priced"
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I can respect that. I felt the same way about Tekken when King became buddy buddy with Armor King's murderer. Lost a lot of respect for the character and the series.
 
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sub-one said:
Liang sucks. CASSIE beats his ass, nuff fukcing said! what a pansy bich! as of right now, fukc sub-zero. If i could change my handle i would. not pleased. this game just went from a definite buy to an "i'll get it when it's bargain priced"
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OMG, I am bathing in your tears right now. It should have been evident to a lot of people when both Kung Lao and Kitana were revealed.

All I have to say is if this plays out how I think it will and Noob is some sort of boss status will that please Bi-han fans?

Kuai Liang is and has been Sub-Zero since Mk2. Why on earth so many people thought Bi-Han was back is beyond me. He HAD to be in MK9 as a Sub-Zero because thats part of the story. He was never required for MKX though.
 
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Commander said:
- Quan Chi didn't own Bi-Han's soul at the end of MK9, much like how Scorpion was Quan Chi's servant and not a revenant (comics), Noob Saibot also seemed to freely serve Quan Chi in gratitude for Quan Chi bringing him back from the dead.
Unlike Sindel and the other dead under his control at the end of MK9, Noob Saibot was not "controlled" by Quan Chi.

- Scorpion's "MURDERER" line to him also points to Bi-Han, as Bi-Han is the sole murderer of Scorpion and the accused killer of his family and clan, as per MK9.

- The whole corrupted soul exchange with Sub-Zero and Ermac seems to refer (IMO) to Noob Saibot being corrupted / tainted as that new creation under Quan Chi, after he was infused with a wraith.
His soul was corrupted, hence why he ended up in hell when he died.
The ONLY reason why Kuai ended up in hell was because his soul was bargained to Quan Chi in a deal by Shao Kahn, in exchange for his service, but Kuai-Liang never had a tainted soul in MK9.
Corrupted souls seem to be those which are remade by Quan Chi, which Kuai, Kitana and Kung Lao never were in MK9 or seemingly in MKX.
Revenant = animated ghost / corpse.
That's not the same as being a corrupted soul.


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Reposted because my original post didn't show up.





I'm not 100% convinced that MKX in-game Sub-Zero is Kuai in both costumes, unless he's also called Kuai in the masked costume.

I want a proper explanation for MKX in-game masked Sub-Zero being Kuai, as so far that evidence hasn't been shown.
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do u dude, but it sounds like a serious case of denial you got there. Like I said I was hoping that Bi-han was in too, but as of right now it aint realistic. Both sub-zeros have the same voice masked or unmasked they sound the same. you said u do voice acting right? then why the hell would 2 different guys who previously had their own voices be the same dude all of a sudden? they wouldn't. Beard vs no beard? simple as young and old, we got 25 years to play with.
 
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BBBLP said:
How do you know that about Bi Han and Quan Chi though? Bi Han and Quan Chi were enemies before he died, he's more than likely a slave. Scorpion has NEVER talked Quan Chi up. "He has perfected me" that's some series nut hugging on Saibot's part. I say that Quan Chi controlled Noob Saibot.

Scorpion's "Murderer" line points to both of them since they're both Sub-Zero. Family and Clan or just Scorpion himself, we don't know what he means by murderer, but we do know that he thinks the Lin Kuei killed his clan. He would call any Lin Kuei member a murderer.


Those revenants are HELLA corrupted. They have orange veins of pure evil all over their bodies. That's not Sunkist my dude. They were good, then against their will they were made evil. That's the definition of corruption lol
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"He has perfected me" sound like "Since he did me this favor, I'll gladly serve him."
Especially since people LOVE to use the whole "It serves my purpose" line as an inkling to Noob Saibot "taking over the NetherRealm" and like to assume that him MK9 ending is canon.
If you assume that his MK9 ending is canon and that he plans to betray Quan Chi and take over the NetherRealm, then you automatically subscribe to the ideology that that he has his own agenda and served Quan Chi out of free will.
If he didn't have free will, he wouldn't be able to turn against his master, as others have suggested.

MK9 is proof that that is not true.
Scorpion is easily able to tell that Kuai isn't his killer in MK9.
I'm pretty sure that Scorpion knows who Noob Saibot is, regardless of his uniform color.
Even Kung Lao says that Bi-Han "looks familiar" as Noob Saibot.
Scorpion knows exactly which brother is which.

Nah, man.
An animated corpse or soul =/= tainted.
It's basically a zombie.
A zombie is neither good or bad, and is just a mindless being.
In the case of the MK9 dead warriors (and likely in MKX), the dead warriors aren't evil.
The are just mindless zombies that are brainwashed by Quan Chi.
It's like being hypnotized.
Just because you are hypnotized doesn't mean that you are evil.
It just means that you are being tricked into doing something that you otherwise wouldn't do.
It doesn't make the actual being evil, though.
 
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"A zombie is neither good nor bad"

Thank you for reminding me that it's a waste of time to talk to you :)
 
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Subz 711 said:
All I have to say is if this plays out how I think it will and Noob is some sort of boss status will that please Bi-han fans?
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Not really.
If that's the case, then Bi-Han's redemption with Scorpion and burying the hatchet goes to shit, and the same Scorpion and Sub-Zero bullshit rivalry story is allowed to continue.
And don't feed me this horseshit excuse of Noob and Scorpion will bury the hatchet and take down Quan Chi, because it's not the same.
Scorpion may know that Noob Saibot is Bi-Han, but he doesn't seem to care, and the whole point of Bi-Han getting turned back to Sub-Zero is that his soul finally gets cleansed and he gets a 2nd shot at redemption, by atoning for all his wrong-doings, which he won't likely do if he's still a purely evil and tainted being.
 
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Subz 711 said:
OMG, I am bathing in your tears right now. It should have been evident to a lot of people when both Kung Lao and Kitana were revealed.

All I have to say is if this plays out how I think it will and Noob is some sort of boss status will that please Bi-han fans?

Kuai Liang is and has been Sub-Zero since Mk2. Why on earth so many people thought Bi-Han was back is beyond me. He HAD to be in MK9 as a Sub-Zero because thats part of the story. He was never required for MKX though.
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no tears here sistah. just bored of this weak ass character.
 
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Commander said:
Not really.
If that's the case, then Bi-Han's redemption with Scorpion and burying the hatchet goes to shit, and the same Scorpion and Sub-Zero bullshit rivalry story is allowed to continue.
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Why does Bi Han deserve a redemption with Scorpion? Scorpion got a redemption with Sub Zero the youngest, I think Bi Han getting the same would be repetitive. If anything, I'd rather Scorpion simply not know about Noob's true identity, and the two continue to operate within the MK universe completely independent of one another.

Scorpion may know that Noob Saibot is Bi-Han, but he doesn't seem to care, and the whole point of Bi-Han getting turned back to Sub-Zero is that his soul finally gets cleansed and he gets a 2nd shot at redemption, by atoning for all his wrong-doings, which he won't likely do if he's still a purely evil and tainted being.
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Well, the problem is, how do you do that without making Bi Han like Kuai Liang? MKX Kuai is a pretty gruff guy, he's not a boy scout. So for there to be any meaningful difference between the two, Bi Han would have to be darker still, which kind of goes against an out-and-out redemption story.

I mean, maybe Bi Han could be a complete and utter shitbag who nevertheless wants to kill the main bad guy of MKX. So it's not that he's good, per se, but that he's simply going to do one hugely important good deed to atone for the consequences of all his bad deeds. That could work. But he'd need a damn big role as Subz to do it. I'm not sure if that's realistic at this point.
 
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sub-one said:
do u dude, but it sounds like a serious case of denial you got there. Like I said I was hoping that Bi-han was in too, but as of right now it aint realistic. Both sub-zeros have the same voice masked or unmasked they sound the same. you said u do voice acting right? then why the hell would 2 different guys who previously had their own voices be the same dude all of a sudden? they wouldn't. Beard vs no beard? simple as young and old, we got 25 years to play with.
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I'll reserve final judgement for when the game comes out.
I have reason to believe that Noob Saibot won't be playable with a cameo role, and Bi-Han will be the masked version.
I'm more inclined to believe that Havik is a sub-boss or boss in MKX, due to the latest comic, and the fact that unfortunately Havik causing Chaos in MKX is TOO similar to the stupid RAGE MONSTER (Dark Kahn) in MKvsDC.
Like I previously said, if it turns out that the masked version is also Kuai in the game, then I'll gladly admit to being completely wrong about MKX Sub-Zero, move on and go on with my day on April 14th.
It's no big deal for me, though.
Regardless of which brother it is, it won't stop me from using Sub-Zero as 1 of my mains in MKX, along with Koal Kahn, Ferra / Torr and maaaaybe Goro.
 
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Rolling_Toaster said:
Shouldn't you be banned? Didn't you have a deal with Tarkatan Trash?
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Nope. tarkatan trollop had an idea and actually though i would follow it. he also though i was serious. now go play with yourself and leave me be lenny limpdick
 
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p.W said:
Why does Bi Han deserve a redemption with Scorpion? Scorpion got a redemption with Sub Zero the youngest, I think Bi Han getting the same would be repetitive. If anything, I'd rather Scorpion simply not know about Noob's true identity, and the two continue to operate within the MK universe completely independent of one another.



Well, the problem is, how do you do that without making Bi Han like Kuai Liang? MKX Kuai is a pretty gruff guy, he's not a boy scout. So for there to be any meaningful difference between the two, Bi Han would have to be darker still, which kind of goes against an out-and-out redemption story.

I mean, maybe Bi Han could be a complete and utter shitbag who nevertheless wants to kill the main bad guy of MKX. So it's not that he's good, per se, but that he's simply going to do one hugely important good deed to atone for the consequences of all his bad deeds. That could work. But he'd need a damn big role as Subz to do it. I'm not sure if that's realistic at this point.
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I was just looking forward to something new rather than the same dragged out meaningless Noob Saibot story and Bi-Han (for once) being able to clear the air with Scorpion, having them form an uneasy alliance to take down Quan Chi, and bury the whole 22-year rivalry / misunderstanding, once and for all.
Scorpion didn't get redemption with the youngest in MK9, in fact Kuai very much wanted to kill Scorpion, but was then captured and turned into a refrigerator before doing so.
 
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sub-one said:
Nope. tarkatan trollop had an idea and actually though i would follow it. he also though i was serious. now go play with yourself and leave me be lenny limpdick
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Just to annoy you: it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero.
 
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Rolling_Toaster said:
Just to annoy you: it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero, it's not a new Sub-Zero you're so dumb for thinking it's a new Sub-Zero.
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I never thought it was a new sub-zero kid. I just wanted to troll u all now go suck you mother's crack
 
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