[SPOILER] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX confirmed!

Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

[MENTION=5808]AMES32[/MENTION]

Nah, I've admitted it could be him. I admitted that in MK9 too though with this exact same ish. The render looked menacing. His character seemed more aggressive, and the whole "Sub-Zero resurrected" thing on Themortalkombat.com all led to OMG it's Bi-Han. However, it turned out it was Kuai. So, you can't be quick to jump to conclusions.

It could be both of them, it could be Kuai and his son.

Also, Armageddon endings are fully non-canon so nobody use those as proof. Otherwise I can just use Kuai's

Armageddon: (Non-Canonical) "The Dragon Medallion having amplified the godlike power granted him by his victory over Blaze, Sub-Zero was no longer a mere warrior, but an ice god. He was, however, a false god. He had become a deity without the consent of the Elder Gods, who sent their champions to hunt him down and destroy him."

Shinnok or Quan Chi grant him power in MK4 section then he gains the medallion and it amplifies his power to godlike.

Bam the protector line makes more sense for Kuai then.

See how easy that is to spin things.

Nobody knows enough info yet so we need to cool it.

Also [MENTION=5028]Araknyd_Commander[/MENTION]

I still disagree. IF it is Bi-Han let's not pretend like this is for any reason other than continuing Scorpion and Sub-Zero's rivalry. Kuai's and Scorpion's rivalry was forced.

Let's also not forget that Bi-Han just murdered Scorpion for a clan rivalry originally so it's not like these two will just magically become best friends. Bi-Han is the reason Scorpion ended up in hell and Scorpion is the reason Bi-Han ended up in hell. Teaming up is sort of unrealistic.
 
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It could be both of them, it could be Kuai and his son.

So, Kuai had a son while he was dead after MK9?
Interesting.
I didn't know that dead people could procreate.
A 3rd brother or even a nephew of Bi-Han and Kuai is more likely, and more believable than Kuai having a son, especially since they did have a sister in America.

As for Armageddon endings, I was merely pointing out how my divided soul theory which has been mentioned before (and is being called shit, on this thread, btw) is VERY plausible, and how it could very well be 2 souls in 1 body which get separated in the Soulnado.


Also [MENTION=5028]Araknyd_Commander[/MENTION]

I still disagree. IF it is Bi-Han let's not pretend like this is for any reason other than continuing Scorpion and Sub-Zero's rivalry. Kuai's and Scorpion's rivalry was forced.

Let's also not forget that Bi-Han just murdered Scorpion for a clan rivalry originally so it's not like these two will just magically become best friends. Bi-Han is the reason Scorpion ended up in hell and Scorpion is the reason Bi-Han ended up in hell. Teaming up is sort of unrealistic.

Kuai and Scorpion had a rivalry in MK9?
Scorpion never had anything against Kuai in MK9.
Scorpion was defending himself.
I'm pretty sure that if someone accused you of killing someone (whether you actually did it or not), you'd be pretty quick to defend yourself and try preserve your name too.

Bi-Han coming back to bury the hatchet with Scorpion is very possible, and it makes the most sense for the reasons that you stated.
Bi-Han murdered Scorpion and his clan (his rival clan, btw) which were at war with each other, but he didn't kill his FAMILY, which is what Quan Chi accused Bi-Han of in MK9 and set Scorpion flying off the rails to kill Bi-Han.
You don't think that if Raiden or Bi-Han comes to Scorpion and explains that it was all Quan Chi's doing, that an alliance to take out a common enemy is possible?
That sounds unrealistic?

Last I recall, human Sub-Zero had a similar ending in MK9, where they unite to take out their common enemy, then disappear into the shadows.
 
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So, Kuai had a son while he was dead after MK9?
Interesting.
I didn't know that dead people could procreate.
A 3rd brother or even a nephew of Bi-Han and Kuai is more likely, and more believable than Kuai having a son, especially since they did have a sister in America.

As for Armageddon endings, I was merely pointing out how my divided soul theory which has been mentioned before (and is being called shit, on this thread, btw) is VERY plausible, and how it could very well be 2 souls in 1 body which get separated in the Soulnado..

I was saying that if Kuai IS resurrected it could be him in one point of the story and a possible son in another. Just like there was Bi-han and Kuai in MK9. Sorry for speaking in hypotheticals like your whole crappy theory.

Also, that's why I'm saying DON'T use Armageddon endings though because none of them are canon and none of them make any sense. Even in Noob's ending he doesn't become Sub-Zero again, but an entirely new entity. If Bi-han comes back then I hope Noob Saibot is just dead because if they ever decide to start all over from scratch then people will have to remember that Noob Saibot is some sort of symbiote and I don't want that lingering over a future reboot. I want the story to be retold ACCURATELY.




Kuai and Scorpion had a rivalry in MK9?
Scorpion never had anything against Kuai in MK9.
Scorpion was defending himself.
I'm pretty sure that if someone accused you of killing someone (whether you actually did it or not), you'd be pretty quick to defend yourself and try preserve your name too.

Bi-Han coming back to bury the hatchet with Scorpion is very possible, and it makes the most sense for the reasons that you stated.
Bi-Han murdered Scorpion and his clan (his rival clan, btw) which were at war with each other, but he didn't kill his FAMILY, which is what Quan Chi accused Bi-Han of in MK9 and set Scorpion flying off the rails to kill Bi-Han.
You don't think that if Raiden or Bi-Han comes to Scorpion and explains that it was all Quan Chi's doing, that an alliance to take out a common enemy is possible?
That sounds unrealistic?

Last I recall, human Sub-Zero had a similar ending in MK9, where they unite to take out their common enemy, then disappear into the shadows.

No, I was saying that Scorpion and Kuai's beef IN GENERAL old timeline and new timeline is forced. IF Bi-han was brought back in MKX it would be strictly to keep this tired @rse rivalry alive. Let's not act like it's for them to mend relationships.

And actually you are wrong. Bi-han didn't murder Scorpion's clan. That was all Quan. Bi-han murdered Scorpion. Because he didn't like him. Because he was from a rival clan. Scorpion then vowed to get revenge on him because of Quan Chi telling him Bi-han murdered his clan. None of that stops the fact that Bi-han just doesn't like Scorpion and murdered him without any goading whatsoever. He just did not like him. He is the reason Scorpion went to hell. Then, Scorpion did the exact same shit to him. Of course, that is because of Quan Chi. However, it doesn't stop the fact that they don't like eachother genuinely without Quan Chi even being added into the mix. So, yeah it is kind of unrealistic. Now, he teaming with Kuai is another story. Even in MK9 Kuai didn't know what his brother had done to Scorpion, nor did Scorpion know who Kuai was. IF they learned a little bit about each other then they would learn maybe they aren't too different from eachother. So, in regards to MK9's ending it would make more sense if it was Kuai and Scorpion, but that doesn't seem to be the case in MKX. Which is actually a point in your favor for Bi-han.

Just saying if you want Scorpion and Bi-han to make up it just really doesn't add up because they don't like eachother at all. IF it's Bi-han I still think it's just to reignite the rivalry. The tired tired rivalry.
 
Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

3 Variations + Sea of Sub-Zeros + The brothers=3 different sub-Zeroes in the game. I don't know how since the story mode spans 25 years. That's my guess. Going off what the info is telling us and their the intros.

Bam.
 
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As for Armageddon endings, I was merely pointing out how my divided soul theory which has been mentioned before (and is being called shit, on this thread, btw) is VERY plausible, and how it could very well be 2 souls in 1 body which get separated in the Soulnado.

I think that your theory is way more realistic than any other on this thread, especially some users trying to ignore every argument about MKX Sub-Zero being Bi-Han.

I don't see Kuai Liang return for MKX. Quan Chi's dialogue with Sub-Zero is evidence enough (I have your brother's soul). He does. We saw Cyber Kuai in Netherrealm serving Quan Chi.

If Bi-Han returns as Sub-Zero (Soulnado or whatever) he and Scorpion could unite and fight against Quan Chi. I would love to see Scorp and Sub killing the sorcerer who betrayed both of them. There is no better death for Quan Chi story wise.

As for the character of Sub-Zero I never really cared which brother was behind the mask. A game without human Sub-Zero wouldn't be the same. I always loved the evil elder Sub-Zero, especially in the first MK movie. I also used to think that in MK2 it was the elder Sub-Zero. In fact it doesn't matter, gameplay wise. It's basically the same character (In Tekken there are also two Kings). This is why I don't get this fan war. We can be happy with having a HUMAN Sub-Zero in MKX. Even if it's a new one at all.

For MKX I would like to see Bi-Han return as Sub-Zero. It is most likely and I agree with Araknyd's theory and arguments.
 
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I think we should make a bet.
I bet you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 mil tril bil dil pill wil qill gill cill kill xill zill nill aill sill eill rill till yill uill oill vill hill jill$ that it's all 3 new Bi-Han Kuai Liang.
 
Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

I bet you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 mil tril bil dil pill wil qill gill cill kill xill zill nill aill sill eill rill till yill uill oill vill hill jill$ that it's all 3 new Bi-Han Kuai Liang.


3 new Bi-Han or Kuai Liang? Choose your destiny man:

Bi-Han

Kuai Liang

New ice cream!
 
Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

Bi-Han and Kuai Liang's souls bound to one body. Because I said this, therefor it must be true.
 
Re: [SPOILER, RUMOR] Sub-Zero's identity in MKX is...

I was saying that if Kuai IS resurrected it could be him in one point of the story and a possible son in another. Just like there was Bi-han and Kuai in MK9. Sorry for speaking in hypotheticals like your whole crappy theory.

Also, that's why I'm saying DON'T use Armageddon endings though because none of them are canon and none of them make any sense. Even in Noob's ending he doesn't become Sub-Zero again, but an entirely new entity. If Bi-han comes back then I hope Noob Saibot is just dead because if they ever decide to start all over from scratch then people will have to remember that Noob Saibot is some sort of symbiote and I don't want that lingering over a future reboot. I want the story to be retold ACCURATELY.



No, I was saying that Scorpion and Kuai's beef IN GENERAL old timeline and new timeline is forced. IF Bi-han was brought back in MKX it would be strictly to keep this tired @rse rivalry alive. Let's not act like it's for them to mend relationships.

And actually you are wrong. Bi-han didn't murder Scorpion's clan. That was all Quan. Bi-han murdered Scorpion. Because he didn't like him. Because he was from a rival clan. Scorpion then vowed to get revenge on him because of Quan Chi telling him Bi-han murdered his clan. None of that stops the fact that Bi-han just doesn't like Scorpion and murdered him without any goading whatsoever. He just did not like him. He is the reason Scorpion went to hell. Then, Scorpion did the exact same shit to him. Of course, that is because of Quan Chi. However, it doesn't stop the fact that they don't like eachother genuinely without Quan Chi even being added into the mix. So, yeah it is kind of unrealistic. Now, he teaming with Kuai is another story. Even in MK9 Kuai didn't know what his brother had done to Scorpion, nor did Scorpion know who Kuai was. IF they learned a little bit about each other then they would learn maybe they aren't too different from eachother. So, in regards to MK9's ending it would make more sense if it was Kuai and Scorpion, but that doesn't seem to be the case in MKX. Which is actually a point in your favor for Bi-han.

Just saying if you want Scorpion and Bi-han to make up it just really doesn't add up because they don't like eachother at all. IF it's Bi-han I still think it's just to reignite the rivalry. The tired tired rivalry.


Magic word right there..... IF

As of now, per Quan Chi's trailer and intro Kaui is 1 of Quan Chi's dead revenants (aka walking ghosts) as he was in MK9.
Also you seem to always skip the reasoning as to why he HAS to be resurrected by Quan Chi as Sub-Zero, whenever I mention it.
Why can't Quan Chi just resurrect Kuai-Liang as a new NetherRealm creation, like he did with Kia, Jataaka, Sareena, Bi-Han, Scorpion and Sindel?
Oh, that's right, because Quan Chi HAS to die and free the souls.
Says who?
Why can't Quan Chi get away, as he usually does, and become a bigger threat to the Forces Of Light with his EarthRealm ghost army (or new NetherRealm creation army) that he controls?
I never implied nor said anything about a symbiote, just that the whole "2 souls in 1 body" (aka divided soul) is possible, in the same way that Ermac has 1,000 souls in his body, but with 2 souls sharing 1 body in Noob Saibot's case.


So, if Bi-Han comes back as the Elder Gods' Champion, he can't atone for his wrongdoings and HAS to continue the rivalry with Scorpion because YOU say so? Oh, ok. Got it.
If NRS wanted to have Bi-Han and Scorpion team up to take out Quan Chi, it would be a lot easier to explain (similarly as I have done), than to come up with some convoluted Quan Chi was killed, then Kuai escapes, then he finds a new body, then he comes back as Sub-Zero.

Actually, you are wrong.
Scorpion had vowed to get revenge on Bi-Han because Quan Chi accused Bi-han of murdering his family.
It's right there in MK9 story mode, where Quan Chi shows Scorpion someone who looks like Bi-Han (likely Quan Chi in disguise) unsheathes a sword and slaughters his wife and child.
The killing his wife and child is where Scorpion (aka Hanzo) went all berserk and killed Bi-Han.

It does add up, as per the various quotes and clues from MKX, given thus far.
Who said that Scorpion and Sub-Zero have to be the best of friends to take out a common enemy?
There are various times throughout history as well as in other works of fiction, where 2 enemies work together to take out a bigger common enemy.
I'm not suggesting that they become best of friends, but Scorpion and Bi-Han being indifferent towards 1 another would be something new and a right step in developing both of them beyond the 22-year tired rivalry.




I don't see Kuai Liang return for MKX. Quan Chi's dialogue with Sub-Zero is evidence enough (I have your brother's soul). He does. We saw Cyber Kuai in Netherrealm serving Quan Chi.

If Bi-Han returns as Sub-Zero (Soulnado or whatever) he and Scorpion could unite and fight against Quan Chi. I would love to see Scorp and Sub killing the sorcerer who betrayed both of them. There is no better death for Quan Chi story wise.


Yes. Exactly.
Kuai's soul was under Quan Chi's control in MK9, so it makes perfect sense that this is who's soul Quan Chi is talking about.

It does make perfect sense.
Quan Chi dying at the hands of the 2 who he betrayed would be a great way for him to die, and it's poetic justice.
 
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In the end for me, it doesn't matter what brother is behind the mask. It's still the character Sub-Zero to me.

Many has a problem with Kuai Liang getting automated and dies at the end. My only problem I have of this if it's truly Bi Han behind the mask this time, is the fate of Noob Saibot. I liked that character a lot, and it would be dumb to just get rid of him because somehow the Soulnado did something to Bi Han to where he's no longer Noob.

And I really hope they don't have it where Kuai Liang becomes Noob... that would be A.) A predictable turn of events, and B.) It would be dumb.

I just would really like to know the fate of that character. Other than that, it doesn't matter who's who with this character. It's still Sub-Zero to me, I'll obviously play as him.
 
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In the end I don't mind which 1 is behind the mask, or if it's an entirely other person.
This is just a debate / speculation thread.

I do have an issue with my theory being shat on and saying that it isn't possible, or shitty or stupid, despite the fact that lots of evidence in the form of intro quotes in MKX, hints to the contrary.
If my theory doesn't happen, fine.
It sure as hell isn't shitty or impossible for it to happen, either.
 
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In the end I don't mind which 1 is behind the mask, or if it's an entirely other person.
This is just a debate / speculation thread.

I do have an issue with my theory being shat on and saying that it isn't possible, or shitty or stupid, despite the fact that lots of evidence in the form of intro quotes in MKX, hints to the contrary.
If my theory doesn't happen, fine.
It sure as hell isn't shitty or impossible for it to happen, either.


let them have it! don't take that shyt?
 
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In the end I don't mind which 1 is behind the mask, or if it's an entirely other person.
Really? cause i remember you saying you only played as Costume 2 and MK1 in MK9 (and to add you also said: "Wich stupidly has Kuai-Liang's voice.") when you play as Sub-Zero in one forum, both costumes are Bi-Han.
It sure as hell is shitty and impossible for it to happen.
Too easy. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
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