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[Commander]

Did Shao Kahn eventually kill Taven as well?

I think that's what NRS tried to imply with with the MK2011 intro.
Eventually Shao Kahn and Raiden were the last 2 warriors left alive and fighting it off.

Unfortunately, it was a bit of a retcon, but at the same time Midway wrote Armageddon into a corner in such a way that when they were re-branded as NRS they had no choice (IMO), but to re-write some of that Armageddon ending so that it would make sense with the MK2011 reboot story.

 

[p.W]

Do you HAVE TO use the default skin during tournaments? If you don't, I don't see any problem in making the canon skins the default ones. People whined about Liu Kang's default skin in MK and MK:A but it made sense storywise and for me it was good. But NRS seems to avoid many unpopular decisions regarding MKX and I think they feared to make the canon revenants the default because of negative reception. Shame again.

[MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION] says that everything comes unlocked, but I've heard otherwise, e.g. that NRS is cutting down on unlockable characters because it makes life more difficult for tournament organizers. Hopefully someone else can weigh in with conclusive proof one way or the other (or Commander can elaborate if he has it).

I use Sub-Zero a lot, but regardless, why would my opinion matter less.
My opinion isn't any less than yours because you use a character that I may not.

I didn't imply that your opinion is less relevant than mine, I implied that both of our opinions are irrelevant. But if you would prefer Kuai/Revenant Sub-Zero to be default and you main Sub-Zero, then that changes things. You really are pro-canon costumes across the board, on principle. I respect that.

But you have to understand that there are valid reasons to disagree with that line of thinking, from keeping the story under wraps (so Liu Kang's non-resurrection is a secret) to marketing (so playable Sub-Zero and Scorpion looking iconic) to the tournament thing (if my understanding is right)...

Neither side is more right than the other. NRS made their decision and we can't possibly know which factor was most important to them in making it, so all we can do is respect it.

 

[Bart]

As far as I understood, he ascended as an Elder God after he defeated Blaze, sharing all his strenght with the kombatants, afterwards Shao Kahn made his way to the top followed by Raiden.

It is presumed Shao Kahn killed Onaga before returning to the battlefield.

Oh yeah, I heard about that somewhere before, I guess it's the only reasonable explanation.

 

[Commander]

I didn't imply that your opinion is less relevant than mine, I implied that both of our opinions are irrelevant. But if you would prefer Kuai/Revenant Sub-Zero to be default and you main Sub-Zero, then that changes things. You really are pro-canon costumes across the board, on principle. I respect that.

But you have to understand that there are valid reasons to disagree with that line of thinking, from keeping the story under wraps (so Liu Kang's non-resurrection is a secret) to marketing (so playable Sub-Zero and Scorpion looking iconic) to the tournament thing (if my understanding is right)...

Neither side is more right than the other. NRS made their decision and we can't possibly know which factor was most important to them in making it, so all we can do is respect it.

Yup.
Canon costumes make the most sense, TO ME, as defaults.

Liu Kang staying a revenant could have just as easily been kept secret if the alt costume was the 1 that they used all the time when revealing him, then when people get the game the default is revealed to be a revenant.
The same goes for Kitana, Kung Lao and Sub-Zero.
Use the more recognizable "what if" versions for the streams, for example, and let the story version be the default revenant.
Same goes for marketing.
It came off a little bit weird to me that all these "what if" costumes are marketed as defaults with the game, and none of them are even canon.
I could understand the Sub-Zero thing a little bit more as the revenant version looks more like Kuai, and they wanted to keep that mystery, but the Bi-Han type of "what if" default feels more like a slap in the face, especially when he's nowhere to be seen in MKX.

Agreed that no side is more right than the other, as I'm just stating my opinions / wishes on the matter.
NRS did what they did and there's nothing we can do about it.
I'm merely just expressing my disappointment with that aspect of it.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

I think that's what NRS tried to imply with with the MK2011 intro.
Eventually Shao Kahn and Raiden were the last 2 warriors left alive and fighting it off.

Unfortunately, it was a bit of a retcon, but at the same time Midway wrote Armageddon into a corner in such a way that when they were re-branded as NRS they had no choice (IMO), but to re-write some of that Armageddon ending so that it would make sense with the MK2011 reboot story.

[MENTION=18699]Bart[/MENTION]

Considering Raiden's first vision is his fight against Taven and his alliance with Kahn meant that he had to kill the son of Argus, and the Emperor would spare Earthrrealm, I think Raiden killed Taven, and when Kahn won, he went there to claim his part of the deal. That's when Shao Kahn betrays and kills him and Earthrrealm.

 

[Bart]

[MENTION=18699]Bart[/MENTION]

Considering Raiden's first vision is his fight against Taven and his alliance with Kahn meant that he had to kill the son of Argus, and the Emperor would spare Earthrrealm, I think Raiden killed Taven, and when Kahn won, he went there to claim his part of the deal. That's when Shao Kahn betrays and kills him and Earthrrealm.

I'm not sure about that, remember that during MK:A Konquest Mode Taven defeats Raiden and I think this is the fight we see in that Raiden's vision. I think Taven becoming the Elder God is a very probable outcome.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

I'm not sure about that, remember that during MK:A Konquest Mode Taven defeats Raiden and I think this is the fight we see in that Raiden's vision. I think Taven becoming the Elder God is a very probable outcome.

MK:A Konquest mode had its final retconed. Shao Kahn won the battle against Blaze, and empowered by the firespawn, destroyed Earthrrealm.

Yes, that's exactly the fight, but considering Taven never won, and that Raiden's first vision is fighting against him, also the fact that his deal with Shao Kahn was killing the son of Argus, IMO, makes sense if he killed Taven and confronted Shao Kahn to fulfill his part of the deal.

 

[Commander]

[MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION] says that everything comes unlocked, but I've heard otherwise, e.g. that NRS is cutting down on unlockable characters because it makes life more difficult for tournament organizers. Hopefully someone else can weigh in with conclusive proof one way or the other (or Commander can elaborate if he has it).

How does that explain Shinnok being unlockable for MKX for Fatal 8, and Kenshi, Freddy, Skarlet and Rain being unlocked from the start for MK9 tourneys, though?
I'm pretty sure that for future MKX Tournaments that Tanya, Jason, Goro, Predator and Tremor will all be unlocked from the start (once they all come out, of course).
I don't see them eliminating those 5 from tournaments.
Kratos was a different story because he was exclusive to only 1 console, so it was an unfair advantage.

 

[Bart]

MK:A Konquest mode had its final retconed. Shao Kahn won the battle against Blaze, and empowered by the firespawn, destroyed Earthrrealm.

Yes, that's exactly the fight, but considering Taven never won, and that Raiden's first vision is fighting against him, also the fact that his deal with Shao Kahn was killing the son of Argus, IMO, makes sense if he killed Taven and confronted Shao Kahn to fulfill his part of the deal.

Again, I'm not sure if it's a retcon. I've read that it was indeed Taven who killed Blaze, not Shao Kahn. Originally, the one who kills Blaze gains the ultimate power, but instead of stripping the kombatants of their powers or killing them all (I believe these were the two predicted outcomes, depending on which brother kills Blaze or something like that), something went wrong and that ultimate power of Blaze spread on all of them, or at least some of them, apparently including Shao Kahn. That's why Shao Kahn was able to kill Onaga and Raiden quite easily. Taven even without Blaze's power is very powerful, and considering his status and the mission he completed, he became the Elder God.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Again, I'm not sure if it's a retcon. I've read that it was indeed Taven who killed Blaze, not Shao Kahn. Originally, the one who kills Blaze gains the ultimate power, but instead of stripping the kombatants of their powers or killing them all (I believe these were the two predicted outcomes, depending on which brother kills Blaze or something like that), something went wrong and that ultimate power of Blaze spread on all of them or, at least some of them, apparently including Shao Kahn. That's why Shao Kahn was able to kill Onaga and Raiden quite easily. Taven without Blaze's power is very strong, and considering his status and the mission he completed, he became the Elder God.

No, John Vogel said that they retconned. Shao Kahn killed Blaze and destroyed everything, starting by Raiden.

 

[Kahn Killer]

No, John Vogel said that they retconned. Shao Kahn killed Blaze and destroyed everything, starting by Raiden.

That is canon-in-training, meaning it is true unless contradicted in other games.

I'll stick with my theory on Armageddon, though I do think yours is a very plausible one aswell, maybe even more than mine.

What would happen to Daegon if Taven wasn't there to defeat him though? If Kahn and Raiden killed Taven then who stopped Daegon from reaching Blaze?

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

That is canon-in-training, meaning it is true unless contradicted in other games.

I'll stick with my theory on Armageddon, though I do think yours is a very plausible one aswell, maybe even more than mine.

What would happen to Daegon if Taven wasn't there to defeat him though? If Kahn and Raiden killed Taven then who stopped Daegon from reaching Blaze?

Once I asked Vogel, he said that nothing of that is clear.

So, they just wanted Kahn to kill Blaze, and **** the rest. I hate this non canon holocausts.

Anyway, what I said about Raiden killing Taven, it's because, if you consider that his first vision is that one, and he had a deal with Shao Kahn, the one he arbitrarily breaks, it COULD have strong evidence that Raiden killed Taven.

Vogel said that it's not clear who beat Taven. They've left that open.

His own words:

"Yeah the idea was that Kahn beat Blaze, got super powered as a reward, then killed Earthrealm (which is not so obvious in the movie). [...] It's not really clear who beat Taven. We left that open."

 

[Kahn Killer]

Once I asked Vogel, he said that nothing of that is clear.

So, they just wanted Kahn to kill Blaze, and **** the rest. I hate this non canon holocausts.

Anyway, what I said about Raiden killing Taven, it's because, if you consider that his first vision is that one, and he had a deal with Shao Kahn, the one he arbitrarily breaks, it COULD have strong evidence that Raiden killed Taven.

Vogel said that it's not clear who beat Taven. They've left that open.

Vogel once stated they were disregarding Konquest, but apparently not in its entirety as Daegon and Taven do appear in some of MKX's arcade endings.

I hope they stop retconning things so much, while its fun to speculate, it's also confusing.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

Vogel once stated they were disregarding Konquest, but apparently not in its entirety as Daegon and Taven do appear in some of MKX's arcade endings.

I hope they stop retconning things so much, while its fun to speculate, it's also confusing.

Taven and Daegon exist, Armageddon, everything. They just screwed the very ending.

 

[Bart]

Damn, the retcons are all screwed up.

Even if I'm wrong, I'll stitch to "my" version of Armageddon events 'cause that way seems more reasonable to me and it doesn't contradict konquest mode :laugh:

 

[Kahn Killer]

Would not be surprised if they retcon Mokap into beating Blaze.

 

[Tanya4eva]

How to unlock all Revenant and Dark costumes.

Revenant Kung Lao - Win 30 king of the hill matches. I had a streak when it unlocked.

Revenant Jax - Win 25 Kustom Kombat matches. Again, I had a streak with danger modifier.

Revenant Sub Zero - Win a test your might tower.

Revenant Kitana - I unlocked this outfit after a 49 win streak in regular king of the hill, with an overall 100 matches played in online modes.

Revenant Liu Kang - 35 wins in ranked matches, with a 20 win streak unlocked him for me.

Hotshot Johnny Cage - 10 win streak in king of the hill survivor unlocked him for me and others.

Dark Empress Kitana - Keep playing Living Tower challenges, rotating between the 3. She unlocked after completing Goros tower. Overall about 10 towers played when she unlocked.

Dark Emperor Liu Kang - Complete 10 Tower Challenge towers and he will unlock.

 

[Smasher1311]

Of course it's Kano. She says "one of his eyes glowed red", and Sonya goes after him.

She even says that she is going to catch him exactly on that moment.

Then, on Sonya's chapter, Li Mei talks about him once again.

Oh, that's it then. Thanks.

 

[Mr. Ice]

This was probably answered, but...

-Why are Kitana and Liu Kang playable if they remained revenants and turned actually into rulers of the Netherrealm, ie potential boss material? Please don't tell me it's just for the sake of sales and pleasing old fans. That would be pathetic.

-What's up with Sareena? She just appears out of nowhere. Half of the people have no clue who she is and all they come up with is one sentence to explain her origin. Then she disappears again god knows where.

-What's up with Fujin. Similar case. He just shows up at the beginning, cool, and then bam... gone. Sure, he's more known, but where does he go? And why? Just doesn't make any sense. Even less sense after learning he was supposed to be in more scenes, but they cut him back. Then why put him in in the first place if all he is going to do, being quite important, is have a few lines? Why even bother making a new costume for literally just 5% of the story?

-Why no background on Ferra/Torr? Are they supposed to look mysterious? Dumb? Or both?

-Why show a Fatality code input for killing Baraka, but no input for Mileena? Same character. Again a small wtf for me.

-Bi-Han mentioned by Sareena, yet no explanation?

-Sub-Zero killed Sektor. M'kay. Why not show it? Or even better why not include it and let us fight Sektor? All they show is remaining circuits. An iconic character is ridden of, yet all they do is this. Kind of insulting. Easy way out.

-What happened to Cyrax? Sub-Zero killed him too? Cyrax is even less important so they not bother to mention him at all?

-With these two dead, are there any cyborgs left? MK without cyborgs not MK. Maybe Smoke in MK11?

-Did they kill them off on purpose just to leave more space for Predator? If yes, they must've decided on DLC a long time ago.

-What's up with Kano? Never got back to him. So he's alive in prison? Or did Sonya in the end anyway decided to kill him?

-Is Quan-Chi dead for good or not?

-What was the spell he was casting? Did he want to trap himself inside the amulet? Or was that a spell to release Shinnok?

-Shinnok is sorta dead. What will happen to him now? Kitana and Liu will play ball with him?

-Raiden turned Dark. OK. So he's the big bad of MK11 then? Cause when Boon said "surprise returning character" we all expected someone else than Shinnok. No surprises it seems.

-What happened with Frost? Did Sub-Zero kill her? Bury her? Teach her?

-What happened to Bo Rai Cho? Same as Fujin... 5% and disappears.

-Why no Goro?

- What happened to Rain and Tanya?

-Is Shang Tsung somewhere? If not, why do some of the character intros mention him? What happened to him anyway?

There's more, but this is what bothered me the most after finishing Story mode. Presentation wise it's the best, but altogether it's a mess. Too chaotic and rushed. And it pisses me off because after MK9 I expected much more.

 

[BBBLP]

Now that Kotal Kahn is the ruler of Outworld, I wonder what he'll do about the Tarkatans. Will they live as commoners? Or will he oppress them and make them pay for the rebellion?

I really hope we get a new Tarkatan for MK11. A female that honors the fallen empress by using sais, but still has arm blades like Baraka.