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It's not applicable though, as it is not a boxing match. It wasn't a match at all. Just because you're at war with someone, that doesn't mean you "lose" if an opposing person beats the snot out of you. Watch any movie or show in which war is a central theme. Most warriors don't consider an unhonorable beat down to be a true fight. Kahn crossed over, Raiden was there bowing down to him and let Kahn wail on him while waiting for the Gods to show up. It wasn't a fight. It wasn't a battle. It was a very coc*y Shao Kahn tossing around a very patient Raiden.

The only real fight takes place after the Gods fuel Raiden with their essence and engages Kahn in combat. Kahn loses, the Gods dispose of him. Raiden never lost and Kahn never won.
 
Kzaoo said:
All your points are valid. However, even if Raiden was just getting beat down, he still lost. If two boxers enter a ring, and one just lets the other guy hit him and gets knocked out, then is the victor a winner?
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True, he did get beat down, but you can't call it a fight if the other one didn't engage and just stood there, didn't attempt to block and was just a punching bag.
If I did the same to a pillow or a bag of meat, would that also be considered a "fight," even if the pillow or bag of meat didn't fight back?
If so, then the expression of "put up a fight" has no meaning to it.


Kzaoo said:
I know you may say that this is not a boxing fight, so it's not applicable... but I think it is, since it's a war, so the two are naturally in conflict with each other.
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I get what you're aiming at, but Raiden didn't fight, not did he engage in the beating that he endured.
It wasn't a fight.
A beating? Yes.

Kzaoo said:
Shao Kahn won... he succeeded in merging the realms. That was his goal. Raiden then won by stopping Shao Kahn, his goal.

One could argue that Raiden's goal to let Shao Kahn merge with earthrealm, which is true... but in that case, it requires Raiden to lose the war by conceding defeat. Whether you see this as a real or fake win for Shao Kahn is a matter of opinion.
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Not really.
Raiden conceded, and tricked Kahn into believing that he won, but if he tricked Kahn into winning so that Kahn would ultimately lose, did he actually EVER lose?
Considering that it was a ruse to get Kahn to suffer the consequences, it's not really a loss, imo.
 
I just don't get where Raiden says "I'm going to fake getting beat to death and fake giving up earth"

There was no back up plan to his plan. If he was faking it meant he would have been able to create the result he wanted without help.

He lost on purpose yes. He knew that was what needed to happen. He didn't fake anything. He didn't have a rabbit in his hat somewhere or a card up his sleeve.

His plan: Lose.
 
Sub-Zero said:
I just don't get where Raiden says "I'm going to fake getting beat to death and fake giving up earth"

There was no back up plan to his plan. If he was faking it meant he would have been able to create the result he wanted without help.

He lost on purpose yes. He knew that was what needed to happen. He didn't fake anything. He didn't have a rabbit in his hat somewhere or a card up his sleeve.

His plan: Lose.
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Exactly. He didn't fake, he just allowed Shao Kahn to win.
 
I'm okay with saying he "threw the fight" because he did. Because he had to. Because he needed to lose. So he did.
 
Sub-Zero said:
I just don't get where Raiden says "I'm going to fake getting beat to death and fake giving up earth"

There was no back up plan to his plan. If he was faking it meant he would have been able to create the result he wanted without help.

He lost on purpose yes. He knew that was what needed to happen. He didn't fake anything. He didn't have a rabbit in his hat somewhere or a card up his sleeve.

His plan: Lose.
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His plan was that the elder gods would come and interfere, and help him destroy Shao Kahn as he pleaded with them before.
Raiden just happened to find a loophole, which allowed him to do so.
He didn't need a back-up plan because it was a flawless plan, and it worked out exactly as he thought it would, with the elder gods interfering and punishing Kahn and giving Raiden the power of the elder gods to destroy Shao Kahn.
He purposely tricked Shao Kahn and let Shao Kahn believe that he had won, and that his invasion plan was successful.


Noob-Zer013 said:
Exactly. He didn't fake, he just allowed Shao Kahn to win.
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He threw the beating (because that was a beating and not a "fight"), in order for the elder gods to stop Shao Kahn, and for Shao Kahn to lose.
So, yeah, Raiden tricked Shao Kahn into his plan.
 
He didn't throw any fight. There was only ONE fight and it happened AFTER the Elder Gods showed up. Before that it was just Raiden getting thrown around like a rag doll while Kahn went on and on about how he "won". I don't understand why so many of you assume there was two different fights. Please tell me you guys aren't of the same mentality as Kahn. lol

glammetal said:
Are you nerds seriously arguing about this?
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There shouldn't be an argument at all. But apparently MK9's story mode went right over the heads of some people. Which is terribly sad.
 
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The fact he's making fun of people should even more confirm that he is wrong. You only name call in an argument when you've lost the fight.

Just like Raiden did.
 
Sub-Zero said:
The fact he's making fun of people should even more confirm that he is wrong. You only name call in an argument when you've lost the fight.

Just like Raiden did.
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Or when the argument has become so absurd that there's nothing left to do but point out the ignorance of the opposition.
 
Nope if your point is valid you don't need to do that either. You just continue presenting facts after facts. Not insults after insults.

Clearly though this is all an interpretation like was said earlier. If you think they had two fights then he wasn't tricking anyone.

If you think they had one fight then he was doing the ole Kansas City shuffle on Kahn.

I think he had two fights.

You think he had one.

I still love you either way.
 
Uhhh....anytime you "lose" on purpose under any circumstances, you are taking a dive, or throwing a fight/game. That's what Raiden did. NOBODY throws fights/games unless they have something to gain out of it. Just as the Black Sox had thousands of dollars (which was worth a fortune at the time) to gain out of throwing the 1919 World Series, Raiden had the Wrath of the Elder Gods being rained upon Shao Kahn to gain out of throwing the fight against him.

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Sub-Zero said:
Nope if your point is valid you don't need to do that either. You just continue presenting facts after facts. Not insults after insults.

Clearly though this is all an interpretation like was said earlier. If you think they had two fights then he wasn't tricking anyone.

If you think they had one fight then he was doing the ole Kansas City shuffle on Kahn.

I think he had two fights.

You think he had one.

I still love you either way.
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I love you too. But you're wrong. :flowers:

It's truly not a matter of interpretation. There was only one fight. lol Kahn shows up and throws Raiden around like a toy while Raiden patiently waits for the Gods to show up and lay down the law. They power him up and he fights Kahn for real.
 
I think Raiden was actually Shang Tsung at this point of the story. Getting his revenge on Kahn. Its clear if you look closely.
 
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