Mortal Kombat 11 rumours

[Commander]

It's not codeword for anything, and the 2 aren't mutually exclusive, as I'm sure that there are likely plenty of people who like guests but not MK vs __________, and vice versa.
Yes, I agree that purists like me who want only MK characters are in the minority, but you are generalizing people who want MK vs _______ with people who want 2 or 3 guests in MK games.
1 thing is 2 or 3 guests and another thing is having 2 entirely different franchises collaborating, with half of the roster being from 1 franchise and the other half being from another franchise.
1 thing is announcing a game as a cross-over and another thing is having guests, but both aren't one in the same.
Just because there's MvC doesn't mean that SFV will have a bunch of characters from other franchises.
That's what I'm getting at.


Jason is a killer, not a fighter / warrior.

Whereas, regardless of how you feel about Cassie Cage, she's a soldier in the US military.
Synonyms for soldier include: fighter, trooper, serviceman, servicewoman; warrior; GI; peacekeeper; archaicman-at-arms

Kano, despite being a member of an illegal gang is also a mercenary.
Synonyms for mercenaries also include; soldier of fortune, professional soldier, hired soldier.

So, no, the description that I picked is just fine, and all of the MK (non-guest) characters fall into at least 1 of those categories: fighter / warrior, hunter or have some experience in fighting or a form of martial arts.

What other MK characters don't fit into the fighter / warrior, hunter categories?

 

[Xenon]

Not generalizing sh!t, just replying to your nonsense.

VVV DIARRHEA IN SPOILERS VVV

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Fine, let's discuss semantics since we have nothing better to do. Warrior by definition is someone participating in warfare; it's in the name. Warfare: fighting, war, combat, conflict, armed conflict, struggle, military action, hostilities; bloodshed, battles, skirmishes, campaigning, passage of/at arms;
strife, hostility, enmity, antagonism, discord

Warfare doesn't mean automatically mean that it's only limited to trained professionals (or as you so masterfully cherry picked - soldiers). A huge bulk of ninjas were peasants with barely any training, and yet they participated in warfare. Medieval warfare wasn't limited to just knights. Modern warfare e.g. Syria isn't limited to just regular armies and PMCs, most of the FSA terrorists are bums armed with AKs and RPGs travelling from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, usually under substance. Do I need to go on?

Jason is a mass murderer by classification, which by the way is what soldiers/warriors do, they murder people. The Japanese Army in WW2 didn't consist of Jasons, and yet they performed the biggest mass murder. Cassie's job is SF, not "soldier in US army". SF could range from anything SWAT to FBI agents. My money's on Jason fitting the role of "warrior/fighter" much better, considering he's an undead zombie Ubermensh who's also tactically resourceful.

Kano's a bum who had no aforementioned military experience, which actually disqualifies him from being a soldier. ISIS is composed mostly of mercenaries who never participated in combat who have a tendency of blowing themselves up. Mercenary is a gun for hire; not necessary a professional private contractor.

So a bulldyke brat and a bum who got his ass beat by a skinny woman in MK the movie somehow is more fitting in MK than someone who can punch a hole in a person with minimal effort? hahah

Fck this. :lol:

 

[Xenon]

Tanya not a fighter? WTF.

The woman is more than 10.000 years old... She would beat Jason to pulp in that training time.

 

[Xenon]

You can laugh all you want, if you survive 10.000 years in that hostile environment you are legendary, much more than a mindless killer that can't die, but which can be torn to pieces and just be de-activated.

10,000 years of whoring around isn't going to give someone a parity over an inhuman zombie who is 3 times your size and can crush your skull without trying. :rofl:

Beat down by a skinny woman? You really only like to **** them isn't it? The rest they are just weak beings being laughed at?

I think you're having a meltdown. Calm down and recollect yourself; form a coherent sentence. :lol:

 

[theincubuslord]

That was indeed diarrhea and wasn't important at all.

As for the MK characters... They are more fitting to be in MK because they were created to be in MK.
Hence the term "guest character" exists to describe characters like Jason. Because they do not belong in MK, they are merely visiting from other franchises. That has nothing to do with fighting capabilities.

Guest characters exists to lure in fans of those other franchises. And because it works, because people buy them and are apparently the most popular of the DLC, WB will continue to have them in the games.

MK fans buy MK characters. But they are still niche compared to the fandoms of the guest characters. Hence the popularity.
So though they don't belong, they will keep on coming... sadly.

 

[Xenon]

I'm sure if Mortal Kombat was more realistic than it would be impossible for the likes of Scorpion, Sonya and Sub-Zero to win against characters like Tanya, Sindel, Kitana, Shao Kahn, Rain and Jade, they have so much more training years than the younger characters, they would beat them Orc vs Elf style. But because that would make a boring game, i'm glad they tomed down the Edenians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...roversy-over-fairness/?utm_term=.2cb2f07ad026

Owned. That's your realism, pal. You can't beat biology. :lol:

 

[Xenon]

So though they don't belong, they will keep on coming... sadly.

They will keep coming because they do belong here. Suck it up.

 

[Xenon]

Size doesn't really matter in combat, it is mostly just a burden...

Which is why most sports are weight and gender segregated, because it doesn't matter, right?
In the words of the great late Scott Steiner: "size DOES matter, b!tch!" :lol:

 

[theincubuslord]

They will keep coming because they do belong here. Suck it up.

Nah, because they don't.
But since you're the contrarian with the diarrhea issues, I'd like to hear your arguement for why they do. If you can provide one, of course... unless you're only letting out shit to get a rise out of people like a troll, which wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Xenon]

Of course, anyone in there is like 10.000 years old? Thought so.

I'm pretty sure the crossdresser was older than any of the women, and humans can't live for 10,000 years. Should be sufficient enough for your wild fantasies.

 

[Xenon]

Not in a world with magic though. Tremor, yes, he's powerful, because he's big, and has powers. Jason? Nope, he is mostly beaten by normal humans without training in the movies, only to rise again, years later, so no match for Tanya, which lives as long as all those humans (jason has ever killed) are aged together and then 9.000 more years added to that. + Tanya has magic as well, so if she can't physically kill him, she can do it with magic COMBAT.

In a world of magic aka MK anyone can punch through a huge diamond no matter how small or big the character is. In a world of magic anyone can jump 500000 feet up, and get up after having every single bone and organ broken or damaged. Moot point, and that wasn't the argument. You were arguing about realism, in a video game that's anything BUT realism...

Magic doesn't exist, neither do 10,000 year old people who look in their 20s. :lol:

 

[theincubuslord]

Rhizo, he's just trolling you for his own amusement. He's like that.

 

[Xenon]

Exactly, and we're talking about Mortal Kombat here, a game, not about the real world. So Tanya would beat Jason in the game. If Tanya was a normal human it would be more interesting, like Sonya is a good match for Jason, but Jason can only kill innocent, defenseless people, not super trained humans with gadgets. Give one of those humans in the Jason movie a serious weapon and they mostly kill Jason with ease.

In the game it's up to the player who's going to beat who. :lol:

 

[theincubuslord]

In the game it's up to the player who's going to beat who. :lol:

It's not just a game, it's a video game.

 

[Xenon]

Well, I don't care, the fact is that Tanya is a warrior and a fighter in the game, so that bullcrap about women being weak in Mortal Kombat

Nobody argued against this. :lol: Tanya was ridiculously good in MKX.

You were the one who brought up the entire "realism" sh!t.

 

[Xenon]

How does that has anything to do with being "weak"? The claim was that Guests weren't "warrior/fighter" enough, hence that reply. Explanation soon followed in the diarrhea spoiler.

Nice try. :lol:

 

[Commander]

Not generalizing sh!t, just replying to your nonsense.

VVV DIARRHEA IN SPOILERS VVV

Spoiler:

Fine, let's discuss semantics since we have nothing better to do. Warrior by definition is someone participating in warfare; it's in the name. Warfare: fighting, war, combat, conflict, armed conflict, struggle, military action, hostilities; bloodshed, battles, skirmishes, campaigning, passage of/at arms;
strife, hostility, enmity, antagonism, discord

Warfare doesn't mean automatically mean that it's only limited to trained professionals (or as you so masterfully cherry picked - soldiers). A huge bulk of ninjas were peasants with barely any training, and yet they participated in warfare. Medieval warfare wasn't limited to just knights. Modern warfare e.g. Syria isn't limited to just regular armies and PMCs, most of the FSA terrorists are bums armed with AKs and RPGs travelling from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, usually under substance. Do I need to go on?

Jason is a mass murderer by classification, which by the way is what soldiers/warriors do, they murder people. The Japanese Army in WW2 didn't consist of Jasons, and yet they performed the biggest mass murder. Cassie's job is SF, not "soldier in US army". SF could range from anything SWAT to FBI agents. My money's on Jason fitting the role of "warrior/fighter" much better, considering he's an undead zombie Ubermensh who's also tactically resourceful.

Kano's a bum who had no aforementioned military experience, which actually disqualifies him from being a soldier. ISIS is composed mostly of mercenaries who never participated in combat who have a tendency of blowing themselves up. Mercenary is a gun for hire; not necessary a professional private contractor.

So a bulldyke brat and a bum who got his ass beat by a skinny woman in MK the movie somehow is more fitting in MK than someone who can punch a hole in a person with minimal effort? hahah

Fck this. :lol:

You are generalizing, putting 2 groups of people into 1 category.

It's also funny how before NRS got their shit together, so many people cried for MK vs Whatever...And now that we're getting it, game after game...:lol:

You are assuming that people who wanted 1 thing are against the other, when they very well many not be.
That was my point with that.


As for the stuff in spoiler quotes:

- The MK "warriors" are involved in in warfare. As you said, it's in the name.
When Shao Kahn or Shinnok or another ruler wants to take over EarthRealm, yes, those fighting to protect EarthRealm are indeed EarthRealm warriors involved in a war that could mean the end of existence on the planet.

- I agree that warfare also doesn't only mean soldiers, which is why I also included "fighter," which is also a synonym for the definition of soldier.
Warrior is a sub-group of "fighter," just as "martial artist" is also a sub-group of "fighter."
Hence why not all fighters (such as Goro and Ermac) are martial artists and they fall more into the warrior sub-group, but they are indeed fighters.
"Warfare" as far as MK is concerned isn't limited to just guns, but rather also includes dark magic, realms, monsters and the like who are fighting to defend their own causes.

- The classification is what separates "fighter / warrior" from "killer / murderer."
1 of them is defending something or fighting in defense of something (such as a war, cause or other reason), while the other kills innocent people, like camp counselors and every day civilians. *Cough* Freddy, Jason and Leatherface *cough*
I've stated before in this thread, that Alien and Predator fit better into MK because of their warrior / hunter classification, but you chose to skip right over that.
Yes, the classification is what I'm talking about.
The reason why I disliked Kratos in MK9 (aside from being a guest) was because he was on the main roster, but YES, Kratos is indeed a warrior and fits better with the vibe of MK than Freddy does, IMO.
THAT'S what I'm getting at.

- Except that Kano's ending shows him being a leader to train up the next group of Black Dragons, and before that he did train to fight and defend himself, so he is classified as a "fighter."
I'm just trying to have a regular discussion here, but you resort to my replies as nonsense and skip over parts of my replies.
You accuse me of cherry picking, when you are guilty of that yourself.



EDIT:

There's even a mode in MKX called Faction Wars, which spearheads Sonya (from SF), Kano (from the Black Dragon), Shinnok (from the Brotherhood of Shadow), Raiden (from the White Lotus) and Sub-Zero (from the Lin Kuei).
All of those factions are at war with each other, with "warriors" representing each of those factions.

 

[Xenon]

You are generalizing, putting 2 groups of people into 1 category.



You are assuming that people who wanted 1 thing are against the other, when they very well many not be.
That was my point with that.


As for the stuff in spoiler quotes:

- The MK "warriors" are involved in in warfare. As you said, it's in the name.
When Shao Kahn or Shinnok or another ruler wants to take over EarthRealm, yes, those fighting to protect EarthRealm are indeed EarthRealm warriors involved in a war that could mean the end of existence on the planet.

- I agree that warfare also doesn't only mean soldiers, which is why I also included "fighter," which is also a synonym for the definition of soldier.
Warrior is a sub-group of "fighter," just as "martial artist" is also a sub-group of "fighter."
Hence why not all fighters (such as Goro and Ermac) are martial artists and they fall more into the warrior sub-group, but they are indeed fighters.
"Warefare" as far as MK is concerned isn't limited to just guns, but rather also includes dark magic, realms, monsters and the like who are fighting to defend their own causes.

- The classification is what separates "fighter / warrior" from "killer / murderer."
1 of them is defending something or fighting in defense of something (such as a war, cause or other reason), while the other kills innocent people, like camp counselors and every day civilians. *Cough* Freddy, Jason and Leatherface *cough*
I've stated before in this thread, that Alien and Predator fit better into MK because of their warrior / hunter classification, but you chose to skip right over that.
Yes, the classification is what I'm talking about.
The reason why I disliked Kratos in MK9 (aside from being a guest) was because he was on the main roster, but YES, Kratos is indeed a warrior and fits better with the vibe of MK than Freddy does, IMO.
THAT'S what I'm getting at.

- Except that Kano's ending shows him being a leader to train up the next group of Black Dragons, and before that he did train to fight and defend himself, so he is classified as a "fighter."
I'm just trying to have a regular discussion here, but you resort to my replies as nonsense and skip over parts of my replies.
You accuse me of cherry picking, when you are guilty of that yourself.

Jason is much as a fighter as anyone on the MK roster. He swings swords and punches people in the face. That's what fighters do.
Warriors do killing for a living. It's their profession. Mass murder is their job description, and Jason is up for that job. :lol:

Alien, or specifically Xenomorph, is a bio-weapon, not a "fighter/warrior". Courtesy of Scott.

What else is there to type? Mortal Kombat is about punching people in the face and performing a fatality, ALL of the guest characters demonstrated to do this well. Has nothing to do with being a "fighter/warrior". It's also your preference, while you state that Xenomorph belonged more in MKX, I disagree. But then again after watching Alien:Covenant I'm not so sure anymore...

Doesn't really matter, because whether you like it or not, the Guests WILL stay.

 

[theincubuslord]

Not arguing if they will stay or not. I already said they will, so there's no need to try and repeat that... other than of course trying to get a rise out of people, again.

They don't belong in MK though.

 

[Xenon]

They do belong in MK because that's one of its selling points now. You can't be this daft...