Mortal Kombat 11 General Discussion Media Thread

[MKLegion]

TBF, the reason there were less hero deaths in X was

1.) 9 already slaughtered half of the forces of light, I think they wanted to give the good guys a break in terms of deaths

2.) Most of the main cast of X were new characters, can't kill off the next gen before they even have a chance to stretch there legs.

X also featured:

1.) Raiden coming face to face with his past consequences in the form of the revenants, having to face Liu Kang and Kung Lao, two people who were like his children, two people who he failed.

2.) Hanzo putting his decades long feud with Sub-zero and the Lin - Kuei to an end after discovering the person he had served had been his families true murderer and that his own rage and actions have been built on lies.


3.) Raiden getting corrupted by the Jinsei and becoming Dark Raiden, who then proceeds to torture and behead Shinnok.

While certain parts of the story were silly and cheesy in the usual MK sort of way, I don't think it's fair to say there story-lines no longer have dark moments to them.

 

[Taj Gill]

They already know the majority of die hards are going to purchase this game, so obviously they're going to market this game to casual audiences, and by doing that, they're going to use Hip Hop in trailers and such. Rock and its sub genres are dead in the mainstream eye. Hell, Bono came out and said it himself back in 2017, that Hip Hop is the only genre of music that caters to young men in this era, and the rest of the genres have become too "girly".

Also, its quite clear to me that MK is utilizing Martial Arts in motion capture for the gameplay, they just don't heavily emphasize on Martial Arts to describe gameplay mechanics like 3D fighters do, but rather the special moves and character traits.

 

[MKLegion]

https://twitter.com/MortalKombat/status/1110635618642518016

New Kast tommorrow, no word on reveals so we might be getting three in one with Liu, Kung, and Jax.

 

[FrancisManancis]

Just show us Dvorah already.

 

[Prince Alucard]

They already know the majority of die hards are going to purchase this game, so obviously they're going to market this game to casual audiences, and by doing that, they're going to use Hip Hop in trailers and such. Rock and its sub genres are dead in the mainstream eye. Hell, Bono came out and said it himself back in 2017, that Hip Hop is the only genre of music that caters to young men in this era, and the rest of the genres have become too "girly".

Also, its quite clear to me that MK is utilizing Martial Arts in motion capture for the gameplay, they just don't heavily emphasize on Martial Arts to describe gameplay mechanics like 3D fighters do, but rather the special moves and character traits.

Completely agree, well, except what Ed said about every genre except Hip Hop being girly. Really depends on the artist and song. Though I see what he means when other pop music is comprised of bands like One Direction and K-Pop.(Not that I'd know that much, I'm 19, but I don't go out of my way to listen modern pop music

That being said I don't think Hip Hop is entirely testosterone driven either. Especially if we're talking about the early 90s where hip hop was, well, pretty goofy or at least had an upbeat sound. Check Yourself definitely fits the tone they were going for in the trailer. Especially considering the classic attire of the past characters. Anyone complaining about the song choice is just being silly.

 

[Destroyer_13]

Who said all music except modern rap is "girly"??? This was released just last year. It's modern. Take a look at just the picture. Is that "girly"? Now listen to it. Does that sound "girly"? They could have put much better music in the trailer than hip hop.

 

[Prince Alucard]

Who said all music except modern rap is "girly"??? This was released just last year. It's modern. Take a look at just the picture. Is that "girly"? Now listen to it. Does that sound "girly"? They could have put much better music in the trailer than hip hop.

I'm a metalhead too. But my guess is that it doesn't count because it's not as mainstream.

That being said still don't think Metal would have fit the trailer in particular. Mostly because the trailer was going for a comical tone in places. Other than that, I definitely agree it could fit with MK depending on what kind of trailer they're going for. Definitely for one with hyper action and violence.

 

[Misucra]

I read it properly and it was still vague, you could've said "I want the martial arts style stances from the 3-d era"

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What...

Vague? I mean... shit. I understand nowadays a lot of gamers demand game to be done to their specific individual needs, so it might be confusing to read someone, just simply accept, that the game just isn't for him and be at peace.

"I want the martial arts style stances from the 3-d era"

Why would I want to say that? I said I expected/hoped for that.

My entire post is clear. I am fine with where MK11 is going now. It isn't my cup of tea. What's so vague about that?

I think you're just grasping on straws here.

 

[Misucra]

Also, its quite clear to me that MK is utilizing Martial Arts in motion capture for the gameplay, they just don't heavily emphasize on Martial Arts to describe gameplay mechanics like 3D fighters do, but rather the special moves and character traits.

Sounds pretty funny, then. They get a person to do motion capture, he/she does the motion, and then they strip most of the natural body movement, just to move 1-2 limb during the attack.

I am still thinking, that a lot of attacks were hand made. Aside maybe grappling and grab attacks. Cause human body doesn't work like that.

 

[Guyver Spawn]

I don't want Rain as DLC if it does happen because he was already DLC in MK9. I feel like that DLC spot could go to someone else instead like Fujin.

 

[Misucra]

TBF, the reason there were less hero deaths in X was

1.) 9 already slaughtered half of the forces of light, I think they wanted to give the good guys a break in terms of deaths

2.) Most of the main cast of X were new characters, can't kill off the next gen before they even have a chance to stretch there legs.

X also featured:

1.) Raiden coming face to face with his past consequences in the form of the revenants, having to face Liu Kang and Kung Lao, two people who were like his children, two people who he failed.

2.) Hanzo putting his decades long feud with Sub-zero and the Lin - Kuei to an end after discovering the person he had served had been his families true murderer and that his own rage and actions have been built on lies.


3.) Raiden getting corrupted by the Jinsei and becoming Dark Raiden, who then proceeds to torture and behead Shinnok.

While certain parts of the story were silly and cheesy in the usual MK sort of way, I don't think it's fair to say there story-lines no longer have dark moments to them.

1.) While he blames himself for it, in reality both guys died due their own mistakes. Kung Lao died, as he got overconfident and let his guard down in enemy territory and Liu Kang died as he didn't listen to Raiden. He allowed the emotions to control him, which led to the accident. So it really depends on how you see that. I mean Raiden blaming himself for what wasn't even his fault, isn't as dark as Raiden fighting all by himself against Shang and Quan chi, not only to lose to them, but then also dying to an even greater threat (which corrupts him as well). That's dark.

2.) That was... actually a light side... literally for the first time Scorpion and Sub Zero make peace. And not only he learns about the real killer, but he also gets his revenge in the same game. You know what would have been dark? If Scorpion killed Sub Zero (thanks to Frost's stupidity), only to learn later that Sub Zero wanted to help him. That would be dark.

3.) And this is dark... why? Last time I checked we celebrated that. Raiden tired of losing shit, while being a goody two shoes, and him torturing Shinnok is actually justice. Shinnok tortured Raiden, by orchestrating the events that led to the deaths of his friends and then using his very friends to torture him and watch them being used as puppets. So that ain't dark. That's justice.

Literally THIS Dark Raiden is the definition of the guy that "snapped" and got tired of taking everything to his gates. So he is like "ok... enough. Time to taste your own medicine".

I mean, yeah sure there were some dark moments. But that's like... every MK ever. MKX was not even close to levels of seriousness and darkness of 3D Era. Back then fighters were bloodthirsty, and every game ended with bigger shit show, than it began. That was the dark ages of MK.

 

[Misucra]

Is there a source for that?

And Sonya's exclusion in MK2 didn't cause as much controversy as Scorpion being left out of MK3 did. Even Boon himself admitted he regretted doing the latter.

You mean Scorpion and KITANA leaving out. And the reason for controversy, was because, unlike MK2, they didn't give decent replacement. Sonya was traded for Mileena and Kitana. People liked them. MK3 traded Scorpion for... Stryker. You see the difference? Revenant Ninja fighter for New York Riot Police officer.

Not to mention AGAIN. MK3 suffered multiple issues. Campy character designs, flawed combat system. It was overall weak game. But every time I listen to Scorpion's blind fanboys, it's like entire game failed cause one character wasn't there. That's delusional. The game itself was weak. Scorpion was just ONE PART of that. If they gave a better or equally interesting character, then the backlash would have been as big Sonya's in MK2. It was there, but it was "It sucks that Sonya ain't here and I am hoping she comes back later, but I like these chars as well"

MK3 was more like this "wtf is this shit, what is this and... police officer for Scorpion and Kitana? EXCUSE ME?"

And to be honest MK3 didn't even fail. It was a commercial success. People just disliked the creative decisions.

 

[JinCA]

I don't want Rain as DLC if it does happen because he was already DLC in MK9. I feel like that DLC spot could go to someone else instead like Fujin.

I want them both in, if rain isn't in the base game I want him as DLC, same with Fujin. The kombat pack is bigger than the first one last year, hopefully they only do one guest character per pack instead of two.

 

[Taj Gill]

I'm a metalhead too. But my guess is that it doesn't count because it's not as mainstream.

That's my point. Youth are the core demographic they're going to market towards and all kids listen to these days is Hip Hop for mainstream music.

 

[MKLegion]

I mean, yeah sure there were some dark moments. But that's like... every MK ever. MKX was not even close to levels of seriousness and darkness of 3D Era. Back then fighters were bloodthirsty, and every game ended with bigger shit show, than it began. That was the dark ages of MK.

While of course this view point is a valid opinion, I still see the current MK games as following the same vein of threats constantly stacking on top of each other and getting worse, and things not always being cut and dry victories, one thing I liked about MK9's ending was how somewhat sad and solemn it was. I mean sure Raiden succeeded in stopping Shao Kahn and preventing one outcome of Armageddon, but all around him lies the ruins of earthrealm where probably thousands of people died, his pupil dead by his own hands, with the future safety of his home left uncertain. While not all hope is lost, it certainly feels as though Raiden might have paid to high of a price for victory. And theeeeen Shinnok pops in just to confirm that he's planning to pick up where Kahn left off, one heck of a stinger there.

 

[Misucra]

That's my point. Youth are the core demographic they're going to market towards and all kids listen to these days is Hip Hop for mainstream music.

Precisely. If we were to compare past games to what MK11 is doing, you can see, that it is catering to a different demographic. Hence why guest DLC's also exist. They now use other movie characters, to market their own game. Instead of just using MK's name to do that.

 

[Guyver Spawn]

MKD is the only MK game during the PS2 era that had a happy ending to it with Onaga being defeated by Shujinko. I would like to see an ending where no one wins for MK11.

 

[Misucra]

While of course this view point is a valid opinion, I still see the current MK games as following the same vein of threats constantly stacking on top of each other and getting worse, and things not always being cut and dry victories, one thing I liked about MK9's ending was how somewhat sad and solemn it was. I mean sure Raiden succeeded in stopping Shao Kahn and preventing one outcome of Armageddon, but all around him lies the ruins of earthrealm where probably thousands of people died, his pupil dead by his own hands, with the future safety of his home left uncertain. While not all hope is lost, it certainly feels as though Raiden might have paid to high of a price for victory. And theeeeen Shinnok pops in just to confirm that he's planning to pick up where Kahn left off, one heck of a stinger there.

Yeah, but that was MK9, not MKX. That one was dark indeed. But all of that was washed away in MKX.

MK9 set it up, this new incoming invasion, where you think... oh shit. Earthrealm is in ruins and now Netherrealm is gonna immedietaly attack. So they had all the freedom to make it dark. Nope. You beat Netherrealm invasion in one chapter. All it took was cheesy one liners and power of love (literally).

Then Shinnok comes back again, becomes even stronger, starts corrupting Jinsei. Nope Cassie comes in and kicks his ass again.

So MKX was a light hearted adventure of Cassie Cage and her gang. Literally a sitcom plot.

Flash back showing a father/mother defeating the great evil and telling that to their kids? Check
Youngsters who are rebelious? Check
Main character having relationship issues with her parents? Check
Main character trying to prove her worth? Check
Main character gaining the same power of her parents, to defeat great evil and save her parents from death? Check

Yep. Family adventure sitcom.

MK9 on other hand. Different stories from different perspectives, massive war, casualties on both sides, uncertain future.

MKX ending on other hand. You are certain now. Shinnok is gone, everyone that attacked or posed great threat to Earthrealm is dead. Mileena, Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, Quan Chi. Perfect Ending. And oh. Just to add a cherry on top. Dark Raiden is not a boy scout anymore, which will make everyone think twice about shitting on Earthrealm.

Kotal Kahn is definitely not gonna fight against Raiden. If he can't handle Kung Jin, then an unchained Dark Raiden will just mop the floor with him.

So MKX had all the peace treaties, all friendships, all heroes survived, happy family reunion and Earthrealm is sitting in the best position right now, while having an unchained Dark Raiden. Yeah. It ain't dark... at all. I think this MK had the happiest ending ever. Literally could have been the last one. All evil is gone after all. (Revenants don't count. If they can't beat an injured Jaqcui and Takeda, with their COMBINED might, then what they gonna do against full force of Earthrealm defenses?)

It was so bad for evil, that they had to conjure this out of nowhere villain Kronika, that makes zero sense.

 

[Misucra]

MKD is the only MK game during the PS2 era that had a happy ending to it with Onaga being defeated by Shujinko. I would like to see an ending where no one wins for MK11.

Well leaker did mention that Armageddon 2.0 will still happen, but... here is the thing. The "leaker" forgot something. MK11 will have multiple endings. I am thinking it will have Injustice 2 treatment. 1 ending for good guys and 1 for the bad guys.

Jax working for Kronika, will be an attempt to bring some reasoning to Kronika's side.

 

[Prince Alucard]

That's my point. Youth are the core demographic they're going to market towards and all kids listen to these days is Hip Hop for mainstream music.

Definitely agree with that. I'm 19 years old, but I'm definitely the exception. Most guys my age are into hip hop. It's marketing after all, not like the game's soundtrack is hip hop. So I haven't been bothered by the music choices in the trailers.