Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines

[Subz 711]

The Sub-Zero situation is a total, complete mess [MENTION=17726]Noob-Zer013[/MENTION].

What NRS did in the new timeline has proved to be the "omg thats such a cool idea, let's do it without evaluating the consequences", for Sub-Zero.

I'm honestly believing that NRS isn't telling us who this Sub-Zero is because they're having a hard time figuring it out, which is pretty sad but at the same time not surprising because they have been using the series' secondary mascot as a punching bag recently.

Let's all remember that in the NEW TIMELINE, the one that MKX is based off of, Sub-Zero is NOT a 5th Generation fighter due to both brothers being ABDUCTED by the Lin Kuei. Which has now led to more confusion because of all this talk of 5th Generations and what not, which apply to the old timeline only. And this whole "sea of Sub-Zeros" talk made me realize that it comes into conflict with this whole "abduction" story because Kuai and Han were abducted for the purpose of mastering their Cryomancer abilities for Lin Kuei purposes. Now all of a sudden, every Lin Kuei warrior can be a master of ice? Wtf?

Considering NRS has already retconned one aspect of Kuai's character (again another move they thought was cool without thinking of the consequences) by making him get angry at his brother's death and turning him Cyborg, how are they logically gonna "humanize" him again?

In terms of Bi-Han being the Sub-Zero, that in my eyes, is the only plausible theory because of the soulnado. Subsequently, the brand spanking new Sub-Zero would only work if Bi-Han has a kid after he gets purified. No way in hell would it be someone else because of the reasons I stated, unless NRS do another retcon which again would not surprise me.

Like I said, this situation is one big giant turd.

See though, I wonder if you feel this way because Kuai was last seen as a cyborg? Theoretically here, imagine he was just ninja garbed ol' Sub-Zero. I just think people are putting SOOOO much weight on the cyber thing that it clouds their judgment on Kuai coming back. Bi-Han was burned to a crisp. Yet, Quan Chi forged a new body for him. Who's to say he can't snap his fingers and do the same for Kuai?

Yes, we saw Kuai's soul, but I'm still thinking we shouldn't put as much weight on that as we are.

This Sub-Zero has undead eyes, so at one point in this story it will be either Bi-Han or Kuai.

I will say too, I've found I'm not just defending Kuai anymore. I think Noob Saibot is a great villain for the series, and taking over the netherrealm (forcing him to side with Scorpion and Sub-Zero) just makes me want to see him more. They REALLY got Noob right in the last game. If Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot though then it's just not Noob Saibot anymore. He's back to lackey status, and I just don't want that for the character.

 

[Taj Gill]

Where does it say that? In Sub-Zero's vignette it just mentions that they were abducted, not that they were the only ones abducted. I'd imagine that Smoke and Cyrax were also abducted.

Read his Bio.

An assassin of the Lin Kuei clan, Kuai Liang commands the power of ice and cold. Unlike other members of his clan, he and his older brother, Bi-Han, were abducted as children by the Lin Kuei and trained in the techniques of assassination throughout their lives. Though his codename is Tundra, he has now assumed the mantle of Sub-Zero to honor his brother after Bi-Han's mysterious death. With the help of his fellow Lin Kuei Smoke, Sub-Zero tirelessly hunts the one who killed his brother.

If others were abducted, why bother mentioning that?

See though, I wonder if you feel this way because Kuai was last seen as a cyborg? Theoretically here, imagine he was just ninja garbed ol' Sub-Zero. I just think people are putting SOOOO much weight on the cyber thing that it clouds their judgment on Kuai coming back. Bi-Han was burned to a crisp. Yet, Quan Chi forged a new body for him. Who's to say he can't snap his fingers and do the same for Kuai?

Yes, we saw Kuai's soul, but I'm still thinking we shouldn't put as much weight on that as we are.

This Sub-Zero has undead eyes, so at one point in this story it will be either Bi-Han or Kuai.

I will say too, I've found I'm not just defending Kuai anymore. I think Noob Saibot is a great villain for the series, and taking over the netherrealm (forcing him to side with Scorpion and Sub-Zero) just makes me want to see him more. They REALLY got Noob right in the last game. If Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot though then it's just not Noob Saibot anymore. He's back to lackey status, and I just don't want that for the character.

I agree with you, but I'm going by what we have seen so far in the series. I'm just annoyed that we are made to speculate like this because the story is so convoluted for Sub-Zero at this point.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

See though, I wonder if you feel this way because Kuai was last seen as a cyborg? Theoretically here, imagine he was just ninja garbed ol' Sub-Zero. I just think people are putting SOOOO much weight on the cyber thing that it clouds their judgment on Kuai coming back. Bi-Han was burned to a crisp. Yet, Quan Chi forged a new body for him. Who's to say he can't snap his fingers and do the same for Kuai?

Yes, we saw Kuai's soul, but I'm still thinking we shouldn't put as much weight on that as we are.

This Sub-Zero has undead eyes, so at one point in this story it will be either Bi-Han or Kuai.

I will say too, I've found I'm not just defending Kuai anymore. I think Noob Saibot is a great villain for the series, and taking over the netherrealm (forcing him to side with Scorpion and Sub-Zero) just makes me want to see him more. They REALLY got Noob right in the last game. If Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot though then it's just not Noob Saibot anymore. He's back to lackey status, and I just don't want that for the character.

I agree. People need to relax when it comes to the Cyber Sub-Zero thing. As a cyborg, yes... He's dead. But if someone were to resurrect him, he would regenerate from his organic remains.

 

[Reman]

See though, I wonder if you feel this way because Kuai was last seen as a cyborg? Theoretically here, imagine he was just ninja garbed ol' Sub-Zero. I just think people are putting SOOOO much weight on the cyber thing that it clouds their judgment on Kuai coming back. Bi-Han was burned to a crisp. Yet, Quan Chi forged a new body for him. Who's to say he can't snap his fingers and do the same for Kuai?

Yes, we saw Kuai's soul, but I'm still thinking we shouldn't put as much weight on that as we are.

This Sub-Zero has undead eyes, so at one point in this story it will be either Bi-Han or Kuai.

I will say too, I've found I'm not just defending Kuai anymore. I think Noob Saibot is a great villain for the series, and taking over the netherrealm (forcing him to side with Scorpion and Sub-Zero) just makes me want to see him more. They REALLY got Noob right in the last game. If Bi-Han is not Noob Saibot though then it's just not Noob Saibot anymore. He's back to lackey status, and I just don't want that for the character.

Agreed.

Noob saibot would never be the same without Bi-Han.

 

[BBBLP]

The Saibot wraith could combine with someone else, or gain a body of it's own and have a Venom/Spider-Man relationship with Bi Han

 

[Reman]

The Saibot wraith could combine with someone else, or gain a body of it's own and have a Venom/Spider-Man relationship with Bi Han

I could see story potential for that, a nice change for Bi-Han not to be noob for at least one game. A chance for NRS to show us a different Bi-Han, preferably for the better, and also to elaborate on the saibot wraith, and what it's character is like.

However, I also wouldn't be surprised to see a move like this backfiring for NRS as pretty much everybody identifies noob saibot and Bi-Han as one of the same.

One thing for sure is that it would be controversial.

 

[Nethervestige]

Can I just say I actually love how earnestly everyone's arguing their points here. Isn't it great to live in an age where we can casually geek out with our über fandom. Also, the last couple of posts has stumbled upon one of my favourite theories

The separation of Bi-Han and his wraith is an awesome idea, omg you guys. If NRS don't do it I'll hara-kiri. They hinted at it in one of the Armageddon endings I seem to remember. Not sure if it was Sub-Zero's or Noob's. Of course that timeline has now been put out of its misery, but at least its promising they've considered exploring it.

Ever since his appearance in UMK3, they've been building up Noob's status. He was just a spy for Shinnok to begin with, so it seems like there's always been this subtext suggesting he is far more ambitious. Bi-Han alone never struck me that way, as cold (ha) and brutal as he came off. That's gotta be one influential wraith. I'm thinkin it's more than has been shown...

It would be too much to hope for that it's been Lucifer all along, haha! Imagine though. I just remembered that Shinnok supposedly overthrew him to gain control of the Netherrealm, but I guess the extent to which that Mythologies booklet was canon is questionable. I guess again that 'Lucifer' could just be the name of the original protector of the Netherrealm (counterpart to Raiden, Argus) and not the biblical one, or maybe just a very powerful oni that was reduced to wraith form after being destroyed by Shinnok.

Haha, geting a little ahead of myself here. But hey NRS, if you looking for story ideas

 

[Commander]

The Saibot wraith could combine with someone else, or gain a body of it's own

Agreed with this.

I'd like a scenario where the Saibot wraith and Bi-Han can separate from the Noob body in the Soulndao, giving us BOTH Bi-Han and a purely evil Noob.
Purely evil Noob then desires to take over the Nether Realm, like in his MK9 ending.
The now cleansed Bi-Han can once again become Sub-Zero and choose his own path, apart from the Lin Kuei (more of a vigilante, kind of Batman-ish) and protector of Earth Realm.

I could see story potential for that, a nice change for Bi-Han not to be noob for at least one game. A chance for NRS to show us a different Bi-Han, preferably for the better, and also to elaborate on the saibot wraith, and what it's character is like.

This is exactly what I'm thinking.
It would be nice to see (FOR ONCE) a what-if scenario where Bi-Han isn't Noob Saibot, and wants to make up for all his wrong-doings as Bi-Han, seeking to bury the hatchet with Scorpion by helping him take out their common enemy.
Once he is freed from Scorpion's "revenge" bullshit story, Bi-Han could be more of a neutral character and create his own path.

 

[TheDeaconBosco]

I'll add some fuel to the fire, sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKo1fl-jQ3g

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It's tough to hear the character dialog over the interview but I'm pretty sure that Sub-Zero states something along the lines of : "He's a saibot". Who else but Bi-Han could possibly know about the Saibot? Also the fact that the Saibot still "is" and not "was" probably means he's in the game as well.

You guys might be right on the money with this one, but personally I'd prefer if this Sub Zero turns out to be Reiko in disguise.

http://i.imgur.com/mq6PKAx.gif

If that's the case, I'd prefer no logical explanation to it.

 

[Subz 711]

See, the thing about making Bi-Han Noob Saibot is that before that he was a character who was just laying around. He was fan requested, and needed something to do. It has also been established that it was hinted way back to MK4 that he was Noob Saibot anyway. So, it made sense.

Putting Noob Saibot on another character just wouldn't seem right. 1. Nobody knows that he's a symbiote. It's been discussed to death here, but I don't think he is 2. It also makes sense for him to be Bi-Han because Bi-Han was one of the ninja characters. Which ninja character are they going to throw Noob on that won't piss off an already established fanbase?

Also, Raiden told Bi-Han outright that he had evil in his soul, and he also murdered Hanzo while he was begging for his life. I'm pretty sure the guy was never good and barely neutral in life. He was a bad guy. That's why he ended up in MK's version of hell and became what he is now.

 

[Flying Jinko]

Also, Raiden told Bi-Han outright that he had evil in his soul, and he also murdered Hanzo while he was begging for his life. I'm pretty sure the guy was never good and barely neutral in life. He was a bad guy.

He spared Sareena's life.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

See, the thing about making Bi-Han Noob Saibot is that before that he was a character who was just laying around. He was fan requested, and needed something to do. It has also been established that it was hinted way back to MK4 that he was Noob Saibot anyway. So, it made sense.

Putting Noob Saibot on another character just wouldn't seem right. 1. Nobody knows that he's a symbiote. It's been discussed to death here, but I don't think he is 2. It also makes sense for him to be Bi-Han because Bi-Han was one of the ninja characters. Which ninja character are they going to throw Noob on that won't piss off an already established fanbase?

Also, Raiden told Bi-Han outright that he had evil in his soul, and he also murdered Hanzo while he was begging for his life. I'm pretty sure the guy was never good and barely neutral in life. He was a bad guy. That's why he ended up in MK's version of hell and became what he is now.

I believe the idea of Bi-Han being Noob Saibot was a backstory that a fan originally came up with.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

I believe the idea of Bi-Han being Noob Saibot was a backstory that a fan originally came up with.

That fan idea stemmed from 2 factors.

1) Noob Saibot was not in Mythologies...even though both the Netherrealm and Shinnok, which were mentioned in his Trilogy bio & ending, were central to the Mythologies plot. Due to this being a prequel to MK1, Bi-Han was the Sub-Zero of this game.

2) Noob had Sub-Zero's Ice Shatter Fatality in the N64 port of MK4. At the time, Noob was not known at all to have any shed of cryomancer abilities, which made this a HUGE red flag.

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[BBBLP]

Nobody knows that he's a symbiote. It's been discussed to death here, but I don't think he is

He has to be. It's the entire story of Deadly Alliance. Quan Chi cannot transfer souls into a dead body, which is why he needed Shang Tsung to resurrect the Dragon King's mummified army. So whatever is controlling Bi Han's dead body, is of alien origin.


Remember when those badass MK1 remake concepts came out? One of them had a backstory for Scorpion, noting that the yellow on his costume was from the blood of the demon Quan Chi sacrificed to bring him to life.

Spoiler:

Now of course this concept was ditched, but the origin of Scorpion is likely what happened.


My theory on Quan Chi's necromancy is that he has to use demons to make his 'puppets' sentient. Otherwise they stay like the slaughtered MK9 warriors and are nothing but zombies that he has to control manually.

 

[Subz 711]

@BBLP

Whatever you're referring to is non-canon.

Comics were released back in the day which stated that Scorpion wore yellow because he was mocking the Lin Kuei as cowards.

It wasn't the blood of a demon.

Also to further prove that account incorrect, why was the "demon" not ripped from Scorpion is Deception? He was in the soulnado too, but I've already argued this. Scorpion and Noob Saibot should be no different. Hanzo's and Bi-Han's souls went to the netherrealm. There I would imagine Quan Chi has free reign to do what he pleases with them.

 

[BBBLP]

I know why the Shirai Ryu wears yellow, but what I'm saying is Scorpion being resurrected via the sacrifice of a demon would make sense. He has powers that he has never had before. If Quan Chi had just given him his soul back, he would be plain old Hanzo Hasashi. Which was evident when Liu Kang got his soul back, he just became the man he was before he died. But something else was done to make Hanzo into the Hellspawn creature that is Scorpion.

The same thing happened with Bi Han. He was resurrected and likely placed under the control of the Wraith known as Saibot.

 

[Subz 711]

Already edited my post above, but why was Scorpion not "ripped" from Hanzo Hasashi in Deception if that's the case?

 

[BBBLP]

Also to further prove that account incorrect, why was the "demon" not ripped from Scorpion is Deception?

Because Scorpion isn't evil like Noob Saibot is? Idk, just a guess

 

[Commander]

Already edited my post above, but why was Scorpion not "ripped" from Hanzo Hasashi in Deception if that's the case?

He likely wasn't infused with a demon wraith, like Bi-Han was, when Quan Chi resurrected him.
Scorpion was likely resurrected with demon powers, while Noob Saibot was infused in 1 body with a wraith soul.
Much like how like the Venom symbiote in the Marvel comics is infused with Eddie Brock.
Separately you have the symbiote and Eddie Brock, but together you have Venom.
The same goes for Noob Saibot.
Separately you have Bi-Han and the NetherRealm wraith, but together you have Noob Saibot.
It's the only explanation for why Noob is able to throw the wraith at people.
Scorpion can't do the same.

 

[gorditakrunch]

Because Scorpion isn't evil like Noob Saibot is? Idk, just a guess

This. I don't think Scorpion is possessed or...infused by/with a demonic force, like say Ghost Rider and the spirit of vengeance, it's more like he IS the demonic entity himself, like Spawn. Theres no two halves to separate.