Lack of sexiness in Mortal Kombat

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I think mkx is fine, my only costume complaint though is mileenas tournament one. All those are throwbacks to mk9/old outfits. They could have gave her mk9s or the alt and add a little coverage like Sonyas was with a t shirt. But for this argument I think it's better then women in 6 inch heels fighting, I been waiting for MK to make all characters have truly different heights and sizes across the roster not 5 mid here 5 buff there etc.
 
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Haha, this thread is gold :D
I will try to play Devil's advocate here (because I like this)

MK9 was a game:
-where characters could bleed more than 20L each round (like in previous MKs)
-where fatalities where ultra violent and absolutely unrealistic (like in previous MKs)
-where some male characters have revealing outfits such as Goro, Kintaro, Shao Khan, Liu Kang, J Cage (like in previous MKs)
-where female characters have revealing outfits (like in the previous MK)
-where some characters are not even human such as Shokans, Edenians, Tarkatans.... (like in previous MK)
-where some characters could send fire balls or ice balls (like in previous MK)

So some people got upset, they wanted more realistic stuffs. So they ask for less revealing attire for female characters....err wait, what ?!
Oh ok, I didn't get that showing a piece of butt or breast was so much more offensive than decapitated somebody.

On a side note, I'm all for less revealing attire for some girls (I'm ok about Cassie, Jacqui...) but if people were offensed by Sheeva or Mileena'a attire in MK9, I suppose that they will be offensed by MKX Kano, Goro & Kotal's attire too (only in brief and/or nude torso) and speak about it ;)
After all, if all female characters (human or not) should have "realistic" attire, I suppose it's the same for all male characters (human or not) too.


More seriously, when it's about attires, I prefer the way Street Fighter is doing: if you like revealing attires you can play Cammy, Sagat or Zangief. I you prefer less revealing stuff, then go for Chun LI, M. Bison or C Viper and everybody is happy.
And honestly, I'm not sure that attires have to be realistic when we're talking about VS fighting game, especially when we're talking about Mortal Kombat with all its other unrealistic stuffs (fatalities, violence, Non human characters...). And a piece of butt never killed anybody, especially in real life ;)

That was my 2 cents and sorry for my bad english, it's not my natural language.
 
Haha, this thread is gold :D
I will try to play Devil's advocate here (because I like this)

MK9 was a game:
-where characters could bleed more than 20L each round (like in previous MKs)
-where fatalities where ultra violent and absolutely unrealistic (like in previous MKs)
-where some male characters have revealing outfits such as Goro, Kintaro, Shao Khan, Liu Kang, J Cage (like in previous MKs)
-where female characters have revealing outfits (like in the previous MK)
-where some characters are not even human such as Shokans, Edenians, Tarkatans.... (like in previous MK)
-where some characters could send fire balls or ice balls (like in previous MK)

So some people got upset, they wanted more realistic stuffs. So they ask for less revealing attire for female characters....err wait, what ?!
Oh ok, I didn't get that showing a piece of butt or breast was so much more offensive than decapitated somebody.

On a side note, I'm all for less revealing attire for some girls (I'm ok about Cassie, Jacqui...) but if people were offensed by Sheeva or Mileena'a attire in MK9, I suppose that they will be offensed by MKX Kano, Goro & Kotal's attire too (only in brief and/or nude torso) and speak about it ;)
After all, if all female characters (human or not) should have "realistic" attire, I suppose it's the same for all male characters (human or not) too.


More seriously, when it's about attires, I prefer the way Street Fighter is doing: if you like revealing attires you can play Cammy, Sagat or Zangief. I you prefer less revealing stuff, then go for Chun LI, M. Bison or C Viper and everybody is happy.
And honestly, I'm not sure that attires have to be realistic when we're talking about VS fighting game, especially when we're talking about Mortal Kombat with all its other unrealistic stuffs (fatalities, violence, Non human characters...). And a piece of butt never killed anybody, especially in real life ;)

That was my 2 cents and sorry for my bad english, it's not my natural language.

You put up some good arguements here and I agree with them.
Personally, I'm not offended by the female outfits in MK9. I just thought they were bad designs, like Kitana's and Sheeva's, and Sonya's outfit did not fit her character. If she had a white shirt underneath and lost the stiletto heels, then it would be TONS better and ALOT more fitting, imo. It was out of character for her to dress as she did in her main MK9 outfit.

My favourite Street Fighter character is Cammy. My favourite Killer Instinct character is Orchid. My favourite outfit for Mileena has been her MKD alt for a long time (right now, her MKX Kahnum outfit has won me over). I have absolutely no problem with sexy, scantly clad female characters.

And at the same time, I do like the same treatment to be given to male characters. Giving Scorpion a thong is out of character and bad design, just like it is out of character and bad design to give Sonya stiletto heels on her combat boots.

I'm no feminist. Due to so much backlash to the word "feminism" caused by these "feminazis", I have chosen to back away from that term. I prefer to be called an equalist. I believe all and everyone, no matter your gender, your skincolour, your sexuality, your religion, to be treated as equals and to all have the same rights in this world. But because we are not all the same, each person should be tended with individually. Because we are all people, but we are also all individuals.

And I like for that to be reflected on character designs as well.

Yes, Mileena has been shown as a sexual beast of an assassin in the later games. But in MKX, she is a Kahnum, she was the ruler of Outworld before she was dethroned. This game is NOT about Mileena being a sexual beast of an assassin. She is a woman fighting for her right to rule Outworld. Her designs reflect that, and they are indeed very good designs. I did like her MK9 main as well (her alt was a lesser version of her MKD main, so didn't really like that one), and it fit her in MK9, because she was an assassin for Shao Kahn and the leotard with thigh high boots and long gloves were kinda the uniform for them, as can be seen on Kitana and Jade as well. That is not the case in MKX though. However, just because she might dress less scantly doesn't mean she is less sexy. That's my opinion, anyways.

As for the bodytypes being more "realistic" - the models in MK9 did indeed need work. The broad shoulders, the lack of hips, it did give off a rather boyish figure which would fit some female characters IF they were meant to look boyish. Having two huge blobs of fat stuck to their chest on those boyish figures AND being dressed to show them off as seductive assassins... it just looked really odd on those models. Not to mention that some of their faces, both male and female, looked very off.

In MKX, the female models actually look like women. They still have big boobs, though maybe not just as big as in MK9, but now they also have the hips and more narrow shoulders to actually make them appear as feminine figures. The work on the models are better looking.

The same effort has been put into the male models. In MK9, ALL the characters looked like beefed up comicbook superheroes. In MKX, though yes, some of them still appear as such, there are now also some of them who look less so and more fitting their characters, such as Liu Kang, Kung Lao and Takeda, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Also, Quan Chi and Ermac look rather skinny compared to the rest of the male roster. I also find Raiden to look less buff than in MK9.

I don't necessarily want realism in Mortal Kombat. As said, it's about blood and gore, monsters and sorcery, interdimensional worlds and what not. But that doesn't mean the models cannot look more realistic for the sake of looking better. Of course, what is better is subjective, but this is my post and my opinion.

Sorry for the long post. ^^

Edit: Oh, and as Rico said, boob physics are all good and fun, but then I'd like the same treatment for male characters. Let them dongs wiggle in the pants, because that is what they do.
 
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Haha, this thread is gold :D
I will try to play Devil's advocate here (because I like this)

MK9 was a game:
-where characters could bleed more than 20L each round (like in previous MKs)
-where fatalities where ultra violent and absolutely unrealistic (like in previous MKs)
-where some male characters have revealing outfits such as Goro, Kintaro, Shao Khan, Liu Kang, J Cage (like in previous MKs)
-where female characters have revealing outfits (like in the previous MK)
-where some characters are not even human such as Shokans, Edenians, Tarkatans.... (like in previous MK)
-where some characters could send fire balls or ice balls (like in previous MK)

So some people got upset, they wanted more realistic stuffs. So they ask for less revealing attire for female characters....err wait, what ?!
Oh ok, I didn't get that showing a piece of butt or breast was so much more offensive than decapitated somebody.

On a side note, I'm all for less revealing attire for some girls (I'm ok about Cassie, Jacqui...) but if people were offensed by Sheeva or Mileena'a attire in MK9, I suppose that they will be offensed by MKX Kano, Goro & Kotal's attire too (only in brief and/or nude torso) and speak about it ;)
After all, if all female characters (human or not) should have "realistic" attire, I suppose it's the same for all male characters (human or not) too.


More seriously, when it's about attires, I prefer the way Street Fighter is doing: if you like revealing attires you can play Cammy, Sagat or Zangief. I you prefer less revealing stuff, then go for Chun LI, M. Bison or C Viper and everybody is happy.
And honestly, I'm not sure that attires have to be realistic when we're talking about VS fighting game, especially when we're talking about Mortal Kombat with all its other unrealistic stuffs (fatalities, violence, Non human characters...). And a piece of butt never killed anybody, especially in real life ;)

That was my 2 cents and sorry for my bad english, it's not my natural language.

You kinda missed the point. It is not that people offended. But when game characters have in depth background, have personality, have roles and play in an interesting story line it kinda destroys IMMERSION. Yes we know it is, realism in MK is close to none. Even so some of it is necessary to immerse the player in the game. Show some skin? Ok. No problem. Just make it the way it doesn't contradict with character's role.
For me MK9 females at least, did piss poor job at delivering their roles. MK9 tried to tell me that those two females with high heels and clothing made for exotic dancing were princess warrior and her bodyguard. Or that a female with open vest(and nothing beneath it), skin tigh pants and 6 inch high heels is a special forces operative with the ranking of Major. Yet she looked more like some cheap cosplayer who uses her body to attract horny virgins. And let's not forget make up. Even sheeva had Earthrealm style make up...

Anyway in short, if you want people to immerse themselves in your story... don't dress your characters as strippers. Same with males... schwarznegger bodies...

And now MKX fixed that. Everyone's clothing pretty much perfectly represented the role they play in the story.

Now of course, it can be argued that for example Dead or Alive has "big tits" and "bouncing" while at the same time has story mode and it seems no one is complaining. Well first thing that story mode... it is japanese. Nothing against japanese but they like to drop super pretty girls with sakura tree petals surrounding them, while there is one guy who is very mysterious and those girls are almost fighting for his attention.
MKX on other hand, deaths, gore, violence, saving worlds. It is darker world. MKX is especially way darker. Now while story mode was KIIINDA lacking, it was at least executed kinda good.

But what if character had MK9 style clothing or proportions... at best it would look like a comedy.

Jeez.. look at me... a mile long post. In short sexy clothing in wrong place(game) breaks characters. That's it.
 
This thread makes me want to stop visiting MK fan forums. It seems like the fan base is mostly made up of juvenile virgins or dudes who just can't get any t&a in real life. You guys are pathetic. lol

I especially love how people were all like "gays don't belong in MK" but then turn around and say "MK needs da sex!" I just can't with you guys...

I'm actually feeling quite the opposite. I'm proud that most people here are actually against ujustgotcaged critics. By the way, I find mileena's outfit way sexier than her mk9 one, even though it doesn't show as much skin. She just looks like her personality now. In mk9 she felt like a sex doll kitana's clone.
 
Twenty long flukkin years, Sonya finally looks like she belongs in the military.

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Was this not military worthy?
 
Her hair is out of Regs in all of her designs, if we're talking Military :rofl:




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Had that been her primary and not a secondary I would say yes. But because they decided to give her a god awful look and what appears to be a very uncomfortable thong wedgie, I say no.
 
MK9 models did one thing right. At least females had muscles and looked ripped. They weren't tiny. Gives them a "realistic" chance against Mr. Olympias...
MKX look like wimpy cosplay twigs who should be either hospitalized or killed on first hit, while still putting them against guys who have limbs bigger than their entire body. And some people whined about Frost getting KO'd in two hits...should've been dead in one hit.
Read the thread in full now, regretting it. Such a small issue turned into something so pivotal and important...Reminds me of that shitty eurogamer review...
 
I don't understand why some people think "everything showing" is the same thing as sexy.

It isn't.

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That is sexy. She's feminine while being tough. She's showing skin without being stupid and impractical. It's just a tanktop. She's absolutely flawless looking in that regards. She's not being objectified. She's dressing like a normal person would. And yes, I know MK is a fantastical universe, but even fantasy needs some elements of believability.

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Does that look like a special forces agent to you? Not to me. To me that looks like a stripper. (Side Note: I'm not saying strippers are bad, I'm not saying they are less than human, I'm just pointing out, strippers dress provocatively, that's part of their job.) It looks like a stripper doing a themed performance. If anything, saying she's military and dressing her like that is a little bit insulting to actual military women. Fantasy or not, it's tasteless.

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THIS is a good look for Sonya. Because she's not meant to be "sexy" in the "skin revealing" way. She's a god damned special forces agent. It makes sense. It fits her character and it's not tasteless.

You can have skin showing and not be tasteless. Be true to the character, don't be stupid, and it's okay.
 
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Lets face it, if the male characters were dressed in thongs, there would be a lot more complaints from males. The males in MK9 are dressed appropriately, and not like strippers. Their muscles and proportions are still achievable without implants.. That is why males do not complain as much..

The woman in the video belongs in the same spectrum as military feminists, only with opposite views...
 
Lets face it, if the male characters were dressed in thongs, there would be a lot more complaints from males. The males in MK9 are dressed appropriately, and not like strippers. Their muscles and proportions are still achievable without implants.. That is why males do not complain as much..

The woman in the video belongs in the same spectrum as military feminists, only with opposite views...

You kinda missed the part where MALES complained about male MK9 characters looking like Mr. Olympians.
 
You kinda missed the part where MALES complained about male MK9 characters looking like Mr. Olympians.

In comparison, those complaints were minimal, unless it was on this forum. For a fighter to have muscles is not really that much of a stretch..

MK9 was a 'make or break' for the series, so selling sex was a last resort to attract sales... Due to MK9s success, MKX did not need to rely on cheap marketing tactics.
 
THIS is a good look for Sonya. Because she's not meant to be "sexy" in the "skin revealing" way. She's a god damned special forces agent. It makes sense. It fits her character and it's not tasteless.

You can have skin showing and not be tasteless. Be true to the character, don't be stupid, and it's okay.

I can get your point but I have just different tastes than you. In my opinion, Sonya's MKX attire is the most boring thing there is in MK history. And her MK9 attire was out of character and I never liked it too.
In my opinion, the best outfit for Sonya was her MK3. It was a nice update of her MK1 attire and was quite consistent with the original character concept.
After all, a military character doesn't necessarily have to wear "down-to-earth" real outfit as if he was going on a battlefield... MK is more about martial art tournaments rather than battlefield with guns everywhere (at least, it was before MKX...)

In Street Fighter, for exemple, Chun Li is an Interpol agent but she's not wearing some sort of undercover agent outfit... And I would hate to see ChunLi wearing something this realistic. I could say the same thing for about Dahlsim, Abel....
I know that many people will say than Street Fighter is not the same thing than Mortal Kombat but it's false. MK was created in the begining of the 90's. Just look at the characters attires in the 90's MKs for exemple...
When Sonya was created, she was wearing green spandex. J Cage was only wearing shorts. Kitana & Mileena were in leotard while Jax was nude torso. Mortal kombat was clearly not about realistic/"down-to-earth" outfits.

And now people are saying that characters, in MKX, are more consistent with what they should be (Tanya....lol) ? No they don't. All is just more "dow-to-earth" than before. Many people prefer it like this because it fits well the idea they had of "what should have been" Mortal Kombat. But it doesn't fit with what WAS MK, neither it fits with what MK was meant to be a few years ago.

I'm not even pointing the lack of sexiness or the revealing outfits. I'm only pointing the lack of fantasy.
But well, I discovered and played MK in 1993, 1 year after I discovered Street Fighter 2. Maybe I can barely have the same point of view than people who discovered MK on PS2 or PS3...
 
LOL I'm not even going to comment how MK looked during his golden classic years compared to the travesty that were the MK9 designs. Not seeing the connection there at all. Btw, I played MK A LOT in early 90's and I most defintely DON'T agree with you. No character in MK1, 2 or 3 was sexualized unlike MK9. My only complaint at the time was Shao Kahn, who looked ridiculous.
 
LOL I'm not even going to comment how MK looked during his golden classic years to the travesty that were the MK9 designs. Not seeing the connection there at all. Btw, I played MK A LOT in early 90's and I most defintely DON'T agree with you.
You don't agree with what ? :/
With the fact that MK is more realistic than what it was before ? You don't think it's true ?
I only said that I prefer old MK's attires and environments, it's a matter of taste ;)

No character in MK1, 2 or 3 was sexualized unlike MK9. My only complaint at the time was Shao Kahn, who looked ridiculous.
Do you know that Mileena, Sindel, Sheeva or Jade shows as much skin in MK9 than in UMK3 . Mileena even shows more skin in MK4...
Then, I agree that some MK9 outfits were too much (I didn't like Sonya or Kitana) but this doesn't contradict the fact that MKX doesn't have enough fantasy compared with the old MKs from 90's.
 
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This is not hot to you?

Not really. It's nice, practical but almost boring in my opinion.
Almost similar but I prefer this:
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Imagine this in green and you could almost give this outfit to Sonya and have something more consistent with her MK3's attire. Staying sexy without being "too much" like her MK9 outfit.
 
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