Is Ed Boon sure he's doing the right thing?

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londonhellgate said:
For example:
on Rain, there is an animation called Side Swipe, it´s work pressing back + any button, well subzero have this same anim in one of his kombos called "Ice pick". I dare to say that Thundra slide kombo too is seemed.

Then check rain ´s teleport, you can see the same liquid animation from noob saibot when perform ´shadow up knee move. The difference is that liquid is not black.
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??? Are you being for real?
You do know that EVERY character in MK9 had shared animations right? Mileena's down kick was the same as Sonya's for example. Very same animation and range and yet I don't see you whinning they're copycats. And there are much, much more examples... They were much more obvious and in-your-face than the ones you pointed out to Rain.

You're just being selective to what you want to criticize and may favour your point. That's not a valid argument to me. Rain copycating Sub-Zero has to be one of most nonsense things I have read in a while...
 
C-Sword said:
And did you know that a bunch of animations in MK9 for non-DLC characters were recycled from MK VS DC? It's not just Rain, it's just NRS being lazy.
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yes, one case is subzero and explain again that subzero is the idiot here.
Are who comes up make an ice teleport for subzero? is a huge non sense ever. Then this teleport was added to mk9 subzero :S.

Ah offcourse, then at the stupid cyber subzero have copycat move from mk vs dc, if me is not bad is the ice touch move.

Do not forget that frost have other nasty and stupid teleport at mkda-mkar.
 
Marcelino Rodrigues said:
??? Are you being for real?
You do know that EVERY character in MK9 had shared animations right? Mileena's down kick was the same as Sonya's for example. Very same animation and range and yet I don't see you whinning they're copycats. And there are much, much more examples... They were much more obvious and in-your-face than the ones you pointed out to Rain.

You're just being selective to what you want to criticize and may favour your point. That's not a valid argument to me. Rain copycating Sub-Zero has to be one of most nonsense things I have read in a while...
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The problem is that "share" moves between characters is not good idea. In Really kitana shared moves with Sonya, not milenna i think. I am not being selective too, i am not saying that rain and subzero are copycat.
but they are huge generics in umk3 and less generic in mkar/mk9 and all the generics things between character is bad really is not end of world but bother alot.

The Lazzy factor started in mk2, and exploded since mk3 until present day and this i hate.
The good of this is that mk started to be less generic gradually since mkda but still always is there generic things in something.
But when you see generic those things is thank to the boon and nrs ´s vagrancy and its makes to think at me that ed boon should not manage mk anymore. Cause hell, since mk3 him is ruining mk gradually with generic things. copying ideas from other video game franchises and take wrong concept and crazy child ideas.

Anyway i wanted to say, is that generic stuffs is a copycat on technically sense. does not means that is copycat to the character ´s history mode or some detail at character ´s outfit lol. But in umk3 all is worse.

it´s like i have always said, mk is troubles in litle china, not tekken
 
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londonhellgate said:
The problem is that "share" moves between characters is not good idea. In Really kitana shared moves with Sonya, not milenna i think. I am not being selective too, i am not saying that rain and subzero are copycat.
but they are huge generics in umk3 and less generic in mkar/mk9 and all the generics things between character is bad really is not end of world but bother alot.

The Lazzy factor started in mk2, and exploded since mk3 until present day and this i hate.
The good of this is that mk started to be less generic gradually since mkda but still always is there generic things in something.
But when you see generic those things is thank to the boon and nrs ´s vagrancy and its makes to think at me that ed boon should not manage mk anymore. Cause hell, since mk3 him is ruining mk gradually with generic things. copying ideas from other video game franchises and take wrong concept and crazy child ideas.

Anyway i wanted to say, is that generic stuffs is a copycat on technically sense. does not means that is copycat to the character ´s history mode or some detail at character ´s outfit lol. But in umk3 all is worse.

it´s like i have always said, mk is troubles in litle china, not tekken
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I'm not doubting you, but what specifically do you mean is generic about MK3?
 
I for one think Boon and company regrets some of those new characters they introduced during the MKDA-MKA days(Hsu Hao, Kobra etc.) I think they want to redeem themselves by introducing new characters who can actually hold a candle to the originals. You gotta realize NRS wants to move the franchise forward and not make every MK game depend on having the entire cast from MK trilogy.

MK9 was our fan service game. By going 25 years into the future you can cut out the Darrious' and the Kira's from the story and just focus on the ones that matter from MKA and back while still introducing the neXt era of MK.
 
MK-TREMOR said:
MK9 was our fan service game. By going 25 years into the future you can cut out the Darrious' and the Kira's from the story and just focus on the ones that matter from MKA and back while still introducing the neXt era of MK.
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Yes.
I couldn't agree more with this.

londonhellgate said:
No, the problem is that here Kotal khan is a whim in really. Do you believe that rain at umk3 was productive? all why ed boon likes a song from "prince" called "purple rain"? is other case of whim in 1995/1996 and then you saw back to rain with a poncho in mkar, lol, rain is clearly a failed character mk3-mkt season
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If you're going with joke character concept = fail character mentality, then lots of characters in MK are "failed characters."

Raiden = (Thunder, Rain, Lightning) Big Trouble in Little China
Shan Tsung = (Lo Pan) Big Trouble in Little China
Liu Kang = Bruce Lee
Johnny Cage = Jean-Claude Van Damme (More specifically from Bloodsport)
Ermac = Erro Macro error message in MK1
Skarlet = Kitana pallete error in MKII
Reptile = Sub-Zero and Scorpion MK1 clone
Sub-Zero = Running man (1987)
Scorpion = Ghost Rider (Marvel Spotlight #5, Aug. 1972)


You want to continue telling me about failed MK characters?
Get off your high-horse.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Yes.
I couldn't agree more with this.



If you're going with joke character concept = fail character mentality, then lots of characters in MK are "failed characters."

Raiden = (Thunder, Rain, Lightning) Big Trouble in Little China
Shan Tsung = (Lo Pan) Big Trouble in Little China
Liu Kang = Bruce Lee
Johnny Cage = Jean-Claude Van Damme (More specifically from Bloodsport)
Ermac = Erro Macro error message in MK1
Skarlet = Kitana pallete error in MKII
Reptile = Sub-Zero and Scorpion MK1 clone
Sub-Zero = Running man (1987)
Scorpion = Ghost Rider (Marvel Spotlight #5, Aug. 1972)


You want to continue telling me about failed MK characters?
Get off your high-horse.
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Oh, there's more..

Kabal = The Flash (DC comics)/Tusken Raiden (Star Wars)/ Darth Vader
Shao Kahn = Campaigner (valiant comics)
Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke = Predator/Bobba Fett
Kano = Terminator
Nightwolf = Turok/Arak/Green Arrow?

Etc.
 
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Noob-Zer013 said:
Oh, there's more..

Kabal = The Flash (DC comics)
Shao Kahn = Campaigner (valiant comics)
Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke = Predator/Bobba Fett
Kano = Terminator
Nightwolf = Arak/Green Arrow?

Etc.
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Exactly.
Agreed.
If we're REALLY going to sit down and nit-pick characters, then almost NONE of the MK characters were really "original."

People just love to be piss on other people's parade.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Exactly.
Agreed.
If we're REALLY going to sit down and nit-pick characters, then almost NONE of the MK characters were really "original."

People just love to be piss on other people's parade.
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You're right. The thing that make a character really original is the combination of his outfit, his powers and his personality.
 
Noob-Zer013 said:
Oh, there's more..

Kabal = The Flash (DC comics)
Shao Kahn = Campaigner (valiant comics)
Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke = Predator/Bobba Fett
Kano = Terminator
Nightwolf = Arak/Green Arrow?

Etc.
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Kabal also carries Star Wars references. His mask design was based on the Sand People, while carrying the same function as Darth Vader.
 
Another Shaolin character that shoots fire balls, like Liu Kang and Shan Tsung can also do?
Nah, he didn't seem that original to me either.

Doesn't mean he's on my shit list, but not original either, IMO.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Another Shaolin character that shoots fire balls, like Liu Kang and Shan Tsung can also do?
Nah, he didn't seem that original to me either.

Doesn't mean he's on my shit list, but not original either, IMO.
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Kai : African/Nepali Ex-Military, Ex- Shaolin Monk wanderer. When was the last time you heard of someone like that? His military background too is tied to the Gurkha regiment (soldiers renowned for their bravery and ferocity in battle). Most characters are regarded as clones just based on their appearance as you illustrated above, it isnt the same for Kai. He is a well conceived character with lots of potential.
 
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Flying Jinko said:
Kai : African/Nepali Ex-Military, Ex- Shaolin Monk wanderer. When was the last time you heard of someone like that? His military background too is tied to the Gurkha regiment (soldiers renowned for their bravery and ferocity in battle). Most characters are regarded as clones just based on their appearance as you illustrated above, it isnt the same for Kai. He is a well conceived character with lots of potential.
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Doesn't matter that he later became African/Nepali Ex-military.
He first started out as a White Lotus Shaolin, trained under Liu Kang and also shooting fireballs.
I agree with you 100% that he has potential to be a great character, but that wasn't the debate.
We're talking about origins here, not potential.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Doesn't matter that he later became African/Nepali Ex-military.
He first started out as a White Lotus Shaolin, trained under Liu Kang and also shooting fireballs.
I agree with you 100% that he has potential to be a great character, but that wasn't the debate.
We're talking about origins here, not potential.
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You have the story facts wrong. Kai started out with the military and then later on joined the white lotus society. Remember that the white lotus society is a secret organization isn't related to the Wushu academy where Liu Kang trained. He then later left the White Lotus and travelled around Asia learning from various masters. He then decided to travel to America and thats where he met Liu Kang for the first time, right before MK4. Him being ex-military before MK4 is also evident with his weapon, the gurkha knife or 'Kukri'.

Considering all this, I would say Kai comes close to being an original character of the MK franchise compared to anyone else.
 
Sonya and Jax were also military (from a different country), though, so he isn't original in that aspect either.
 
Is isn't his military aspect alone that makes him unique, but the combination of his other story arcs and his appearance as well.
 
I probably wouldn't mind if Kai was in, but can't say I really want him. Maybe as DLC.

Thing is, though, if the main villain is really going to be evil Liu Kang, Kai will likely make an appearance in the game at least in Story Mode as a supporting character or cameo. So he could end up playable some way.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
Yes.
I couldn't agree more with this.

If you're going with joke character concept = fail character mentality, then lots of characters in MK are "failed characters."

Raiden = (Thunder, Rain, Lightning) Big Trouble in Little China
Shan Tsung = (Lo Pan) Big Trouble in Little China
Liu Kang = Bruce Lee
Johnny Cage = Jean-Claude Van Damme (More specifically from Bloodsport)
Ermac = Erro Macro error message in MK1
Skarlet = Kitana pallete error in MKII
Reptile = Sub-Zero and Scorpion MK1 clone
Sub-Zero = Running man (1987)
Scorpion = Ghost Rider (Marvel Spotlight #5, Aug. 1972)


You want to continue telling me about failed MK characters?
Get off your high-horse.
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I am not talking about character joke concept or fail mentality, mr. Rider :D

I am talking about that Jhon Tobias has established certain bases, and is in relation with the "design" and "orientations with oriental styles"

You want to starts telling me that mk3 started to f\/cked up those things? cause do not forget that in mk4 for any reason midway team did not wanted to bring back characters like nightwolf, include kabal. where is your gi. joe mask and helmet? or you? :D

Is not good idea expand the mk world with the first things that you have founded at the first moment.

Imo, kabal or cyber ninjas were not an enought right-guess then with the pass of time, the ppl started to acept them .But this was not like as happened with mk1 or mk2 roster, and is curious cause at mk1 sonya and kano were not loved by midway team.

Imagine, tomorrow can appear a new game franchise and what happen then? ed boon is going fast to get this ideas for his new mk title and plan that certain character from this franchise enter in the next mk title as invited char, lol.

for the love ´fn god, if you did ´nt see that scorpion is too altair or ezio auditore from assassin ´s creed franchise and mixed with the stupid mk legacy scorpion, this means that i am not on high horse.
 
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