How do you think the revenants will be revived in MK11?

[Yaniv Shmuel Avizrats]

I am sure Johnny will be at any game at this point. He and Sonya still has the same job in mkx as in mk9 - they open the story and close it. Mk in its modern incarnation is as much their story as is of Liu Kang and Sub Zero (which is delegated to minor roles)

But this point is moot now. Many will disagree and speak against them as they spoke against them for every incarnation of the game since mk4. I will listen, laugh now and laugh again in mk11.

 

[Commander]

[MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION] correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Raiden himself openly stated Shinnok was impossible to kill after dropping his severed head in front of Liu and Kitana?

Yes, Raiden said that "Shinnok was an Elder God. Impossible to kill. There are fates worse than death."



That said, though, that can also have a few different meanings:

1) Shinnok was an elder god. Impossible to kill.
- He no longer was an elder god in MKX, but rather a "fallen" elder god, so as a fallen elder god he can be killed.

2) Shinnok was an elder god. Impossible to kill.
- Killing an elder god is impossible, but I (Raiden) have found a way to do it, so watch your asses, Liu Kang and Kitana.

I'm inclined to believe that Raiden meant 1 of those 2 things with that.

 

[asears08]

Honestly, I dont want them revived.

And I want them to let Johnny, Sonya, Kano, Kung Lao, Jax, and Ermac sit it out too.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Yes, Raiden said that "Shinnok was an Elder God. Impossible to kill. There are fates worse than death."



That said, though, that can also have a few different meanings:

1) Shinnok was an elder god. Impossible to kill.
- He no longer was an elder god in MKX, but rather a "fallen" elder god, so as a fallen elder god he can be killed.

2) Shinnok was an elder god. Impossible to kill.
- Killing an elder god is impossible, but I (Raiden) have found a way to do it, so watch your asses, Liu Kang and Kitana.

I'm inclined to believe that Raiden meant 1 of those 2 things with that.

I believe Shinnok was still alive even when Raiden dropped his head down. That's why it makes sense for him to say "impossible to kill" and "fates worse than death". Imagine being a severed head :lol:

 

[Commander]

I believe Shinnok was still alive even when Raiden dropped his head down. That's why it makes sense for him to say "impossible to kill" and "fates worse than death". Imagine being a severed head :lol:

Well, in that case then I'm inclined to believe that Raiden meant point #2 that I made.

"Killing an elder god is impossible, but I (Raiden) have found a way to do it, so watch your asses, Liu Kang and Kitana."

 

[Marcelino Rodrigues]

Well, in that case then I'm inclined to believe that Raiden meant point #2 that I made.

"Killing an elder god is impossible, but I (Raiden) have found a way to do it, so watch your asses, Liu Kang and Kitana."

You should re-watch the scene then. He didn't kill Shinnok. His mouth and eyes were still moving, he was still "alive". It was pretty obvious that Raiden stated Shinnok could not be killed hence why he, from that moment on, would live as a severed head in the Netherrealm. I don't understand why you're still on to that argument, I mean, it was a very explicit scene...

 

[Commander]

You should re-watch the scene then. He didn't kill Shinnok. His mouth and eyes were still moving, he was still "alive". It was pretty obvious that Raiden stated Shinnok could not be killed hence why he, from that moment on, would live as a severed head in the Netherrealm. I don't understand why you're still on to that argument, I mean, it was a very explicit scene...

The head can see and hear things after it's severed for a little while, as it's been proven scientifically, that's why.

I got a feeling that Raiden did the impossible and killed Shinnok, kind of sending the message that if he can kill the "impossible" that he can kill Liu Kang and Kitana too.

 

[nathan.carter]

The head can see and hear things after it's severed for a little while, as it's been proven scientifically, that's why.

I got a feeling that Raiden did the impossible and killed Shinnok, kind of sending the message that if he can kill the "impossible" that he can kill Liu Kang and Kitana too.

Then why did Raiden say that what happened to Shinnok was "a fate worse than death"

 

[p.W]

Nah, [MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION], Shinnok's still alive. His head's still moving + "Impossible to kill" + "fates worse than death" is way too much evidence all pointing in the same direction.

I can understand where your confusion is coming from, though -- if removing him as a threat was always as easy as severing his head from his body, why didn't anyone do it sooner? Surely it's not because nobody's beaten him before. Raiden's beaten him. JC kind of sort of beat him. It's not very satisfying the way they showed it.

 

[Commander]

Then why did Raiden say that what happened to Shinnok was "a fate worse than death"

Perhaps Raiden resorted to a severe beating and torture before severing Shinnok's head.
It does look like he was severely tortured.
Severe torture can be a fate worse than death, and it perfectly fits with the nature of Dark Raiden doing "whatever it takes" to protect EarthRealm.
Sounds a bit sadistic to me and you, but I could see Dark Raiden resorting to torturing someone to death.

I can understand where your confusion is coming from, though -- if removing him as a threat was always as easy as severing his head from his body, why didn't anyone do it sooner? Surely it's not because nobody's beaten him before. Raiden's beaten him. JC kind of sort of beat him. It's not very satisfying the way they showed it.

Yeah, it's a bit confusing, IMO.

 

[ByrdBrain]

Perhaps Raiden resorted to a severe beating and torture before severing Shinnok's head.
It does look like he was severely tortured.
Severe torture can be a fate worse than death, and it perfectly fits with the nature of Dark Raiden doing "whatever it takes" to protect EarthRealm.
Sounds a bit sadistic to me and you, but I could see Dark Raiden resorting to torturing someone to death.




Yeah, it's a bit confusing, IMO.

in turn in the next one i can see that causing a rift between him and the other "good" when you take into account how merciful they tend to be for mk standards

 

[Commander]

in turn in the next one i can see that causing a rift between him and the other "good" when you take into account how merciful they tend to be for mk standards

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
As much as Sonya, Johnny, Jax and the other Special Forces are concerned, I don't think they would agree with Raiden torturing someone.
Most people would feel very uncomfortable with it, as this uncomfortableness with torture has also been shown on Arrow.
Torture is a line that if crossed, can start to spill over onto the evil side, and borderline sadistic, which Raiden seems to be at the end of MKX.

 

[Vigilante_FireDragon]

I can see Fujin and Raiden having some disagreement over the latter's method of protecting Earthrealm, which will slowly turn into enemies as turn go by and Raiden becoming more insane with protecting his Earthrealm, even those who live there, such as Kano, etc.

 

[TempestFury]

I hope they'll get revived in MKXI, and are more neutral instead of being morally good. I mean, Liu Kang can still opt to rule the Netherrealm and chooses to align with whatever faction that he feels would benefit his realm. Kitana can return to reclaim Edenia (her character is more interesting as the fallen princess trying to reclaim her realm) and this time will do whatever it is necessary to complete her task, like killing innocent bystanders or teaming up with questionable characters (hello Rain). Even the villains can be made more interesting by showing off their humanity, like say Mileena siding with Kitana against another villain because she relates to Kitana's "status" of a fallen royalty.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
As much as Sonya, Johnny, Jax and the other Special Forces are concerned, I don't think they would agree with Raiden torturing someone.
Most people would feel very uncomfortable with it, as this uncomfortableness with torture has also been shown on Arrow.
Torture is a line that if crossed, can start to spill over onto the evil side, and borderline sadistic, which Raiden seems to be at the end of MKX.

The US government uses torture so I couldn't see why the SF would mind :lol:

I forgot to mention you were right about Raiden sending a message to Liu Kang and Kitana which was clear. But Shinnok wasn't dead which is what he meant about "fates worse than death" which Shinnok deserves.

This only makes me more excited for MK11 seeing Raiden turning dark again.

 

[Commander]

The US government uses torture so I couldn't see why the SF would mind :lol:

I forgot to mention you were right about Raiden sending a message to Liu Kang and Kitana which was clear. But Shinnok wasn't dead which is what he meant about "fates worse than death" which Shinnok deserves.

This only makes me more excited for MK11 seeing Raiden turning dark again.

Yes, the US government doesn't care about such methods, but Sonya and Johnny surely do.
These are 2 characters that won't kill or even perform Fatalities in the MK9 and MKX story modes.

I guess.
That ending just left it confusing.
I mean, if they key to immobilizing Shinnok was cutting his head off and letting him be barely "alive" as only a head, then why didn't Raiden do that instead of trapping Shinnok in the amulet, in the beginning?
Shinnok's head at the end of MKX reminded me more of Medusa's head in the Percy Jackson books.
Medusa's body is still "dead," even if the head was used to turn people into stone.
Same goes for Shinnok.
His head seems to be animated, but not consciously "alive," per se.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Yes, the US government doesn't care about such methods, but Sonya and Johnny surely do.
These are 2 characters that won't kill or even perform Fatalities in the MK9 and MKX story modes.

I guess.
That ending just left it confusing.
I mean, if they key to immobilizing Shinnok was cutting his head off and letting him be barely "alive" as only a head, then why didn't Raiden do that instead of trapping Shinnok in the amulet, in the beginning?
Shinnok's head at the end of MKX reminded me more of Medusa's head in the Percy Jackson books.
Medusa's body is still "dead," even if the head was used to turn people into stone.
Same goes for Shinnok.
His head seems to be animated, but not consciously "alive," per se.

I was joking about the SP though I still think they shouldn't mind.

I don't know, why didn't Raiden decapitate him earlier? We'd have a very short story mode then.

Which ever way you discibe Shinnok's fate, its worse than death. He looked barely conscious because he's living after having his fricken head removed :laugh:

 

[TheDeaconBosco]

Maybe he just wasn't powerful to annihilate Shinnok's physical form like that before being connected to the Jinsei (quite the handy plot device that).

 

[p.W]

Maybe he just wasn't powerful to annihilate Shinnok's physical form like that before being fused to the Jinsei (quite the handy plot device that).

Maybe. Why NRS thought that didn't need any explaining is beyond me.

The MKX story would have been 10x better if it had 2x as much dialogue in it. No more expensively choreographed fight scenes. Just close ups of animated faces talking and explaining shit.

Give Erron/Reptile/Ermac/Ferra/Torr motivations. Give Tanya/Rain personalities beyond motivations. Resolve Kung Jin's issues with accepting the help of others, resolve Cassie's issues with not being a good enough leader, explain what the hell the Civil War in Outworld is about and what the Edenia business is about and what exactly Mileena's plans for Edenia are and how she wants to achieve them, explain what D'Vorah and Quan Chi stand to gain from Shinnok's success and why they would side with him, explain why Liu Kang and Kitana wouldn't go back to being goody-two shoes after Quan Chi's death and Shinnok's defeat, foreshadow Raiden deciding not to take anyone's shit, explain how the Jinsei works, explain what happens between Raiden and the Jinsei and why Raiden severs Shinnok's head at the end but not at the beginning, explain what the F. the Elder Gods are doing (or write them out of the story already)...

The list of things that could have been improved with just more dialogue is endless.

 

[Commander]

Maybe he just wasn't powerful to annihilate Shinnok's physical form like that before being connected to the Jinsei (quite the handy plot device that).

Uh, wasn't Raiden connected to the Jinsei and inside of it when he was healing himself, after speaking to Bo Rai Cho?

Handy plot device, sure, but it still was poorly explained.

Which ever way you discibe Shinnok's fate, its worse than death. He looked barely conscious because he's living after having his fricken head removed :laugh:

Agreed, but I'd barely call that "living," given that he more like in a state of limbo and probably doesn't know what's going on, much like Medusa's severed head.