mortalkombat
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I know you might think I'm dumb for thinking this, but trust me: I have my reasons. I won't bother typing out my long explanations that no one will read anyway, so just post why you dis/agree, and I'll comment/ argue.
Goro will defeat Liu Kang
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Blackcyborg
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I don't think so, but that would be an interesting twist to the story. Wonder where the story would go from there...
Ricochetmatt
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I think that would be a fantastic twist.
Hi & welcome to this forum, well first I think you should type the reasons leading you to believe Liu will fail this time. It would be much more interesting for us also to comment/argue and besides we like reading long paragraphs
. I have serious doubts about it since in the alternate reality (old MKs) he defeated enemies way stronger than Goro ( Shang Tsung, Kintaro, Shao Kahn,...). Unless new Goro is on steroids... But if indeed it happens for X or Y reason, I wonder who the new champ will be.
jarvis653
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I don't think either outcome is certain, but both are possible.
Reasons for your argument:
Liu Kang has not been revealed or even mentioned yet. While he'll obviously be in the game, there's been a distinct lack of info about him and his role in the story. There's many explanations for this, one of them being that they're saving the 'best' for last. Another though, could be that he simply won't be a major character this time around.
Liu Kang was a focus point of previous MKs; NR might've thought it's time for a change. And what better way to develop an alternate universe than one without Liu Kang as the hero. Seeing him defeated by Goro could be the first change that really kicks this alternate story into gear. It would have to be an outcome, or decision, pertaining to Raiden's changing of events. I will add that his defeat could also come at the hands of Shang Tsung, as an alternative. The result is still the same.
Reasons against:
Liu Kang is a beloved character in the MK universe. While having him killed in the story opens up new possibilities, it is also a depressing move for his fans. Especially being removed from the story so early (assuming the game runs the course of 3 tournaments). There are other ways to subtract from his role as a major character, such as through non-involvement eg. under Raiden's guidance.
As much as Liu Kang has been overplayed IMO, he is iconic, as is the rivalry between him and Kahn. That may be of enough worth to reinstate him as hero, but perhaps less highlighted throughout the story and indeed saving the 'best' battle for last.
Overall:
The highlighted rivalry is between Kahn and Raiden now, and the focus is Raiden's changing of events to prevent armaggedon. IMO these aspects definitely bring Liu Kang's role into question, and will have a significant effect on it, whatever the outcome.
Reasons for your argument:
Liu Kang has not been revealed or even mentioned yet. While he'll obviously be in the game, there's been a distinct lack of info about him and his role in the story. There's many explanations for this, one of them being that they're saving the 'best' for last. Another though, could be that he simply won't be a major character this time around.
Liu Kang was a focus point of previous MKs; NR might've thought it's time for a change. And what better way to develop an alternate universe than one without Liu Kang as the hero. Seeing him defeated by Goro could be the first change that really kicks this alternate story into gear. It would have to be an outcome, or decision, pertaining to Raiden's changing of events. I will add that his defeat could also come at the hands of Shang Tsung, as an alternative. The result is still the same.
Reasons against:
Liu Kang is a beloved character in the MK universe. While having him killed in the story opens up new possibilities, it is also a depressing move for his fans. Especially being removed from the story so early (assuming the game runs the course of 3 tournaments). There are other ways to subtract from his role as a major character, such as through non-involvement eg. under Raiden's guidance.
As much as Liu Kang has been overplayed IMO, he is iconic, as is the rivalry between him and Kahn. That may be of enough worth to reinstate him as hero, but perhaps less highlighted throughout the story and indeed saving the 'best' battle for last.
Overall:
The highlighted rivalry is between Kahn and Raiden now, and the focus is Raiden's changing of events to prevent armaggedon. IMO these aspects definitely bring Liu Kang's role into question, and will have a significant effect on it, whatever the outcome.
Liu is the first bruce lee rip off in the video game industry (before SF & Tekken) and his panel of fans is the largest compared to other fighters (due to his basic gameplay). Which leads us to the fact that his retirement will be badly perceived by the massive Kang community. I guess NR will have to take a risk if they decide to eliminate him.
Chillinja
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Kinda off topic, but since we're talking about Liu..
Just played MK2 against my cousin (who has absolutely no skill on MK2) on PC a few days ago.
He picked Liu Kang. I (foolishly) told him all the specials and picked Reptile to fight against him.
The asshole starts spamming the low projectile like no tomorrow. I still jump over them and kick his ass, yet its ****ing impossible to draw out an energy ball. I reeeeallly love to pull off huge combos after the energy ball connects in MK2....but thats ****ing impossible with this asshole spamming this projectile move. What results in is boring energy-ball-less gameplay. -_-
I really hope Liu isn't overpowered in the new MK.....let his projectiles have some recovery time goddammit !!
Just played MK2 against my cousin (who has absolutely no skill on MK2) on PC a few days ago.
He picked Liu Kang. I (foolishly) told him all the specials and picked Reptile to fight against him.
The asshole starts spamming the low projectile like no tomorrow. I still jump over them and kick his ass, yet its ****ing impossible to draw out an energy ball. I reeeeallly love to pull off huge combos after the energy ball connects in MK2....but thats ****ing impossible with this asshole spamming this projectile move. What results in is boring energy-ball-less gameplay. -_-
I really hope Liu isn't overpowered in the new MK.....let his projectiles have some recovery time goddammit !!
UncleRuckus
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Whether Kang dies against Goro is a mystery however, I would like to have Kang's role at least totally changed or minimized in the new MK. I think it would be a cool plot to have one of past Raiden's future visions be of Kang getting killed by Shang and Quan. Then maybe Raiden will pull Liu Kang back and maybe keep him under his tutelage, unleashing him later on throughout the tournaments. Instead, he should push Kung Lao or Kai to the fore front of earth realm warriors.
orbofuncreation
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It's a chance, and would be an interesting twist.
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gamemk
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the mk staff botched the storyline when they killed kang in deadly alliance. that move served nothing in the mk story, other than to create a "cool" looking zombified liu kang. then raiden became the hero. ? wtf. raiden? that's dumb. raiden is the supernatural guide to the fighters, basically, raiden is obi wan kenobi. imagine if obi wan kenobi had lived up to return of the jedi and then they killed off luke in jedi and kenobi fought vader? that's stupid. it would have nullified luke's entire journey.
i guess liu kang could lose the tournament and still redeem himself in later installments, but i don't know about that. usually in a trilogy, the first story is the success story, the second story is the failure/turning point story, i.e. empire strikes back, or matrix reloaded, and the third story is the redemption story.
here's what i wrote a while ago on classicmk. it was titled: liu kang should have died after mk2.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/her...lmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer.html
i read the above article about star wars and gary kurtz and george lucas and it got me thinking about the direction mk went after mk2. imo the mk3 storyline ruined the series. i played mk3 and i liked it, but the storyline always seemed dumb to me, since i always felt that mk had a classic hero myth storyline going, along the lines of star wars.
in star wars, luke followed the hero myth in every respect: 1. call to adventure by obi wan, 2. crossed the threshold by blowing up the death star, 3. supernatural aid (obi wan and yoda), 4. challenge/tempation (vader tempts luke), 4. death and rebirth(luke is left for dead then comes back to life a bunch of times, 5. atonment, etc....
in mortal kombat: 1. liu kang and the other heroes are called to adventure, 2. liu crosses the threshold by defeating shang tsung, 3. raiden is their supernatural aid in mk2, 4. temptation*(liu kang is never tempted), 4. liu never dies(not counting the 3d versions), 5. no atonement, etc....
mk was a really clever story, and like i said, it mimicked the best elements of great stories like star wars. my favorite element was the switcheroo they pulled with mk2. the beginning of mk2 is so surprising, because of shao khan. he shows up out of nowhere, the same way the emperor does in empire strikes back, but the story broke down when the mk guys introduced the sindel plot in mk3.
instead of that idiotic sindel plot, the mk guys should have had liu kang get tempted by khan at the end of mk2, the same way luke was tempted by vader. faced with a stalemate, liu kang should have sacrificed himself, in order to save the earthrealm; liu's "supposed" death could have lead into mk3, which could have taken place in the netherrealm. mk3 could have been about the remaining earthrealm heroes on a mission to retrieve liu kang from the netherrealm. a "spirit" liu kang could have been playable, as well as the dead subzero(i know he's noob) from mk1. new characters could have also made an appearance, like the dead original kung lao and even a dead goro, and quan chi could've been introduced as the god of the netherrealm, kind of like the shang tsung character in mk1. after quan chi is defeated and liu kang's life is restored, then mk4 could've been about the return of shao khan somehow. but anyway....
i guess liu kang could lose the tournament and still redeem himself in later installments, but i don't know about that. usually in a trilogy, the first story is the success story, the second story is the failure/turning point story, i.e. empire strikes back, or matrix reloaded, and the third story is the redemption story.
here's what i wrote a while ago on classicmk. it was titled: liu kang should have died after mk2.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/her...lmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer.html
i read the above article about star wars and gary kurtz and george lucas and it got me thinking about the direction mk went after mk2. imo the mk3 storyline ruined the series. i played mk3 and i liked it, but the storyline always seemed dumb to me, since i always felt that mk had a classic hero myth storyline going, along the lines of star wars.
in star wars, luke followed the hero myth in every respect: 1. call to adventure by obi wan, 2. crossed the threshold by blowing up the death star, 3. supernatural aid (obi wan and yoda), 4. challenge/tempation (vader tempts luke), 4. death and rebirth(luke is left for dead then comes back to life a bunch of times, 5. atonment, etc....
in mortal kombat: 1. liu kang and the other heroes are called to adventure, 2. liu crosses the threshold by defeating shang tsung, 3. raiden is their supernatural aid in mk2, 4. temptation*(liu kang is never tempted), 4. liu never dies(not counting the 3d versions), 5. no atonement, etc....
mk was a really clever story, and like i said, it mimicked the best elements of great stories like star wars. my favorite element was the switcheroo they pulled with mk2. the beginning of mk2 is so surprising, because of shao khan. he shows up out of nowhere, the same way the emperor does in empire strikes back, but the story broke down when the mk guys introduced the sindel plot in mk3.
instead of that idiotic sindel plot, the mk guys should have had liu kang get tempted by khan at the end of mk2, the same way luke was tempted by vader. faced with a stalemate, liu kang should have sacrificed himself, in order to save the earthrealm; liu's "supposed" death could have lead into mk3, which could have taken place in the netherrealm. mk3 could have been about the remaining earthrealm heroes on a mission to retrieve liu kang from the netherrealm. a "spirit" liu kang could have been playable, as well as the dead subzero(i know he's noob) from mk1. new characters could have also made an appearance, like the dead original kung lao and even a dead goro, and quan chi could've been introduced as the god of the netherrealm, kind of like the shang tsung character in mk1. after quan chi is defeated and liu kang's life is restored, then mk4 could've been about the return of shao khan somehow. but anyway....
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Aldo Moreno
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Just the let everyone know, there is going to be Liu Kang fans storming in here. IMO, I think he should stay the hero. He is Mortal Kombat's Ryu. What would happen if they make some other dude the hero instead of Ryu? The Ryu fans would go NUTS! And Liu Kang fans will go nuts as well. I am not going to lie tho but I think if he doesnt make the cut I will be dissapointed at NRS. And if he does, he needs to be the person he is. Which is a hero. Liu Kang is my hero and I sometimes look up to him. And if Goro defeats the hero and kills him, think about how crazy people would go. It happened once and it can happen again! You guys dont look like big Liu Kang fans so you don't know we are going to feel. IMO, I think Liu Kang fans give more praise and have lots of emotions for Liu Kang out of all the MK characters in the MK universe. I am sorry if I sound like a little ***** but I cried when Liu Kang was killed and I will cry again if they do it again. There is alot of emotion and love that us Liu Kang fans give to him. HE IS A HERO!!!! HERO NEED TO BE HEROES AND STAY HEROES!!!!! Gosh man I feel like crying! He is not just a chactaer in mortal kombat. he is a HERO!!!! You guys here saying I dont mind if he is killed off. What How pissed would fans be if Kano works for the special forces? Or if Sub zero and Scorpion become best friends? Or if Raiden didn't give two ****s about Earthrealm? It will change a lot of things! So before anyone in this thread says i dont mind if he is not the hero, think about how if your hero role is changed big time! When Liu Kang was a zombie, i didnt like seeing him that way! Him killing people of earthrealm? that isn't the Liu Kang I know and love! Sure I love the design but not the person he was.
The freaking game wouldnt feel right without the Liu Kang either! It will be like MKDA and MK3 without scorpion
I mean I think if Goro defeats him I think the story should go like this:
He gets defeated but not killed, just knocked out! And Kung Lao gets pissed off finishes Goro since Liu Kang has fought him already. Liu Kang gets up and thanks him. Then for MK2, they should do a little like what they did in MKSM, have Liu Kang and Kung Lao defeat Shao Kahn. For MK3, Shao Kahn gets more power from the shadow of presits and Kung Lao and Liu Kang do the same but this time Shao Kahn defeats Kung Lao cause Shao Kahn blames him for not getting earthrealm the 1st time. Then Liu Kang gets mad and kills Shao Kahn for killing Kung Lao. Then Liu Kang takes Kung Lao's place as the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
EDIT: Without Liu Kang, all these other Bruce Lee copies wouldnt be made. He made a chain! And its still going on now! And if he is in, they need to give him his Bruce Lee voice cause he is the oringal copy of Bruce lee!
Look at my ****ing signature man! He freaking turned down the girl he loved for EarthRealm! Real heroes like that are TRUE Heroes. And he is my Hero.
The freaking game wouldnt feel right without the Liu Kang either! It will be like MKDA and MK3 without scorpion
I mean I think if Goro defeats him I think the story should go like this:
He gets defeated but not killed, just knocked out! And Kung Lao gets pissed off finishes Goro since Liu Kang has fought him already. Liu Kang gets up and thanks him. Then for MK2, they should do a little like what they did in MKSM, have Liu Kang and Kung Lao defeat Shao Kahn. For MK3, Shao Kahn gets more power from the shadow of presits and Kung Lao and Liu Kang do the same but this time Shao Kahn defeats Kung Lao cause Shao Kahn blames him for not getting earthrealm the 1st time. Then Liu Kang gets mad and kills Shao Kahn for killing Kung Lao. Then Liu Kang takes Kung Lao's place as the Champion of Mortal Kombat.
EDIT: Without Liu Kang, all these other Bruce Lee copies wouldnt be made. He made a chain! And its still going on now! And if he is in, they need to give him his Bruce Lee voice cause he is the oringal copy of Bruce lee!
Look at my ****ing signature man! He freaking turned down the girl he loved for EarthRealm! Real heroes like that are TRUE Heroes. And he is my Hero.
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Taj Gill
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This. Awesome post Aldo, MK would not feel the same without Liu Kang, thats why MK
A failed IMO.
Kelsper
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That's quite a long and at times unnecessary post Aldo lol but I get what you're saying despite not being a Liu Kang fan that much. Even if I don't play as him usually, wouldn't feel right without him at least on the select screen. Don't even get me started on zombie Liu Kang. Urgh.
Aldo Moreno
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This. Awesome post Aldo, MK would not feel the same without Liu Kang, thats why MK
Thanks man, i wanted to let me emotions out for Liu Kang about him might not being in MK9. And yes I agree with you!
Naw you can't do Liu Kang's best friend like that. It is going to affect Liu Kang and he is going to be a depressed monk like Kung Lao was in MKDA
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TheBloody81
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NO NO NO!!!! I know people would love to see a twist to this but no. After deadly alliance and seeing Liu Kang die, lost interest with the rest of the MK games. It just wasn't the same without Kang and it will be very upsetting not to see him again. NR is just saving the best for last an
wow you guys i have got a different point of view. One Yes Kang was the hero of mk, but this is NRS chance to change the story and i am all for it what ever happens. If sub zero and scorpion team up to kill quan chi rather than fight each other cool. If Kang died at the start Cool. Its there story and it will be good no matter what. Just if a character dies like Kang there is always dlc for f sakes. They are not gonna get rid of that character if thats what your thinking. I personally thought it was amazing seeing dead Kang because no one would expect that he would die. They can always invent new characters and if you guys have not noticed yet, every character almost dies and comes back to life some how or eventually is in a later game.
jarvis653
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Some of you are letting emotions and your attachment to the character get the better of you. He'll still be on the select screen, still be playable, this discussion is just for story purposes, and the possibility of such an event. The same goes for every other character, such as Kung Lao who has been brought up.
Personally, I'm all for my favourite characters getting killed off, it it makes for an interesting and epic MK story. Besides, stories are meant to take advantage of your emotions, so Aldo, if killing him off would have a big impact on you, that would be evidence of an effective story IMO.
Personally, I'm all for my favourite characters getting killed off, it it makes for an interesting and epic MK story. Besides, stories are meant to take advantage of your emotions, so Aldo, if killing him off would have a big impact on you, that would be evidence of an effective story IMO.