General Injustice Gods Among Us Gameplay Chat

strangeotron said:
They would have been better actually programming in combos for people to play against. They could have designed a much more in depth, character by character training mode that allowed you to learn the properties of moves/combos.

Infinitely more preferrable than how Star Labs turned out IMO, surely?

I think it's a bit easy to say there's no excuse. Fight games rely on principles that are not readily apparent. To use the record function requries that you know the character you are facing as well as your own otherwise you won't be able to input the combo correctly to try and block it. At the very least, having to record that every single time and set up the training scenario is a tedious solution. That gallery function, as i understand it, is just a playback function. You can't interact.

Online practice is a great addition, but it requires you find living breathing partners to practice against. One of the reasons i play online at all is that i don't know anyone that plays this game (or these games at all). Random matchmaking that doesn't allow regional filtering doesn't help either.
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It all goes along with dedication. If you really are worried about say Black Adam's safe strings, you'll go to testyourmight .com and search the forums on what you can and can't do against him. Then you go into practice mode. Record him doing what you're having a problem with and find a solution. Finally, go into player rooms and find a Black Adam player that is above average. Add him to your friends list, play sets with him, etc.

Over and over. It is tedious, but it's all about how far you are willing to go to fix your own problems


strangeotron said:
How exactly do you play Lex without getting either zoned into oblivion or rushed down. All his tools are slooooow.
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Watch Fab (black guy). He has a great Lex


 
Learning the combos of another character well enough to input them is counter intuitive. I think they could have done things differently, but there you go.

Lex in those videos doesn't face the kind of pressure i've seen. No disrespect to the guy but he isn't getting rushed down or spammed.

And there's very little crossup action, which is a major weakness I have (i could blame the online, but that would be...:D)
 
strangeotron said:
Learning the combos of another character well enough to input them is counter intuitive. I think they could have done things differently, but there you go.

Lex in those videos doesn't face the kind of pressure i've seen. No disrespect to the guy but he isn't getting rushed down or spammed.

And there's very little crossup action, which is a major weakness I have (i could blame the online, but that would be...:D)
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Learning another character's combos is imperative if you're having trouble against him. Do you not feel more comfortable in mirror matches knowing your own character's weaknesses and strengths? Same applies for ones you have trouble against. Knowing their strings; Which parts can be ducked, which parts are lows or overheads, which parts are unsafe and which are interruptable is important.

Practice mode shouldn't have to hand feed you that much that it just vomits strings and character info your way.



And the reason he isn't rushing Lex down, is because you don't rush a good Lex down that easily. You're always afraid of the armor, you're afraid you're attacks will get stuffed by the drones, you're weary of his jump H and you don't want to get smacked with his Corp Charge. If people are rushing you down that heavy, it's only because you're letting them. Take the time to really watch him play.
 
Actually mirror matches are the one thing I hate. I don't ever like playing against the same character. Never have.

If you rush him down he never gets the chance to armour up. Same with spam; ironically relentless projectile moves stuff him completely.
 
Dashing out of his trait reduces the recovery on it.


If you rush him down recklessly, you eat a Corp Charge and give him the chance to either set up drones, armor and/or the unblockable oki.


I've no idea what Lex could do against Deathstroke fullscreen, but I'd imagine against Raven and Aquaman he can trait up, get the knockdown and set up his own zoning game. You need to understand his traps better to learn the character properly.
 
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Dashing out of his trait reduces the recovery on it.


If you rush him down recklessly, you eat a Corp Charge and give him the chance to either set up drones, armor and/or the unblockable oki.


I've no idea what Lex could do against Deathstroke fullscreen, but I'd imagine against Raven and Aquaman he can trait up, get the knockdown and set up his own zoning game. You need to understand his traps better to learn the character properly.
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against raven you have to constantly anticipate the grab which prevents you from doing much. Aquaman with his ground strike is the much the same. this is true of a lot of characters actually; lots of moves that dominate the environment overmuch.

i don't know what oki means, but if you're referring to the orbital strike is far too slow to launch and whiffs a lot unless you MB.

Corps charge is the only really decent move he has. Lex's problem isn't that he's intrinsically bad, it's that most everyone else is better. His gravity pull is slow, whereas GL's grab for instance isn't. His armour is great, if you can get it set up, but it's stuffed by a lot of specials (including Black Adam's trait), whereas Grundy has an armour move for free.

The mines are easily avoided and again slow to use, the orbs are better, but again they seem to do nothing more than take pressure off. That's great, but it doesn't give much of an advantage. You dont' get much time to capitalise on it.
 
Oki means to attack someoneas they're getting off the ground. Set up your laser when they get up for free damage or to get them to backdash. Allowing you even more time to get your suit set up. I haven't played against Lex since the demo, but I'm pretty sure a blocked Corp Charge isn't safe. So it shouldn't be thrown out crazily. I'd be more willing to pick up Lex myself and learn more, but, Dragon's Dogma. Nothing I can do about it. These Ogres wont kill themselves
 
Press Lex to lose.

He's poor. NRS really ought to start fixing the balance in this game, though Boon seems more amused by starting pointless twitter polls about DLC that will never happen.
 
strangeotron said:
Press Lex to lose.

He's poor. NRS really ought to start fixing the balance in this game, though Boon seems more amused by starting pointless twitter polls about DLC that will never happen.
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The balance is not nearly as far off as your consistant whining has infered. You clearly need more time spent with the game and if you cant figure out how to use Lex then switch characters.
 
strangeotron said:
Press Lex to lose.

He's poor. NRS really ought to start fixing the balance in this game, though Boon seems more amused by starting pointless twitter polls about DLC that will never happen.
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Lex isn't bad, he just has to work harder than the other Top Tier character. We can't start demanding Nerfs and Buff so early in the game's life because we haven't discovered all the tech that everyone has or unknown tools that can bump characters on the Tier list or tools that can turn a 8-2 match up into a 5-5 match up over a short period of time, and because people complained and moaned and NRS just started to Nerf and buff specific characters when they didn't need to, the game became awfully unbalanced (Character wise), Kano went from A+ or S+ to C Tier and there was nothing broken about him, and because they made other characters weak the Undiscovered stronger ones stayed on Top.. (Kabal, Kenshi, Lao) For all we knew, Kano could've been the Kabal Killer or the Lao Killer, and now we have Kabal with only 3 Bad match ups, I wouldn't say bad, but more like even match ups.

I honestly feel that if people are going to buy or pick up a fighter, they should strive to play it on a high level, they're missing out on a shit ton of Hype and fun.
 
Eclipso said:
The balance is not nearly as far off as your consistant whining has infered. You clearly need more time spent with the game and if you cant figure out how to use Lex then switch characters.
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Instead of insulting me, why don't you tell me.

Or are you one of these people that lives in denial about games like these? There's nothing 'whining' about speaking the truth; game balance or the lack thereof is a fact of life. What do you hope to achieve by being rude? If you have some particular insights into this character then by all means share them. Anything else is just ridiculous.
 
iViTal said:
Lex isn't bad, he just has to work harder than the other Top Tier character.
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None of the characters are bad per se, but they don't exist in a vaccum. They are in competition with each other. If NRS screwed up MK that's unfortunate and stupid, noone obviously advocates that, but this game was playtested - and included people that play MK.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'work harder'. Lex has considerable disadvantages because his moves are too slow. He has no answer to some of the most potent and basic strategies in the game. If deathstroke starts gunning he has nothing outside of corps charge range. If his orb was at least quicker he might be able to do something.

we can all guess that this or any other character might have some special secrets not picked up during playtesting (which kinda renders playtesting rather impotent) but then again he might not. I haven't seen anything, I wouldn't know where to look, does that mean my game experience should suck?

I'm quite happy to practice playing as I have done significantly since the game started, but we aren't all college students with time on our hands to play at the local tournament scene and practice on our expensive peripherals all day. If that's your thing, great good luck to you, but it shouldn't be the baseline. I don't want to just abandon a character on the face of it, but in lex's case, he really is deficient.
 
strangeotron said:
Instead of insulting me, why don't you tell me.

Or are you one of these people that lives in denial about games like these? There's nothing 'whining' about speaking the truth; game balance or the lack thereof is a fact of life. What do you hope to achieve by being rude? If you have some particular insights into this character then by all means share them. Anything else is just ridiculous.
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Out of the 13 posts you have how many of them are of you whining? Lets be real here, there have been several people who have given you solid advice on how to improve but you dont counter with "thanks, I'll go into practice mode and give it a shot" or "thanks, does someone want to go online with me in practice mode". Instead you whine about it, you know what I tell my children who are 5 and 2 when they whine? I tell them to stop whining and do something about it. You need spoonful of that right now.
 
Eclipso said:
Out of the 13 posts you have how many of them are of you whining? Lets be real here, there have been several people who have given you solid advice on how to improve but you dont counter with "thanks, I'll go into practice mode and give it a shot" or "thanks, does someone want to go online with me in practice mode". Instead you whine about it, you know what I tell my children who are 5 and 2 when they whine? I tell them to stop whining and do something about it. You need spoonful of that right now.
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So you're looking for an argument then? I came here, posted politely, made my points. You, it seems, want to start a fight. Why, because you don't agree with me? Fine, then show me where I'm wrong. I've already invited you to tell me how Lex isn't poor and instead you insult me and tell me how and what I should say. You think that because I don't explicitly kowtow to you that I'm not grateful when people respond? It's an ongoing dialogue, that's how people communicate, doesn't mean they aren't grateful for responses and it doesn't mean that every post should be replete with a thousand thank yous.

I have no idea nor interest in what you tell your children, but I can only hope they don't care to be patronised.

if someone (from the UK, since the netcode cannot handle long distance connections) wants to practice then they are more than welcome to add me. I'm not very comfortable adding complete strangers, especially when most of the time we never play again anyway.

Drop the attitude dude, it's not needed.
 
Eclipso said:
I cant stop playing Green Lantern. My usage is as follows:

1. Green Lantern 107
2. Superman 8
3. Raven 6

and there are a few others at 1 or 2.
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What are your main combo starters for Green Lantern? I find myself relying too much on Lantern's might and B1. I'm also having trouble with his mobility; he feels extremely slow.

My current line up is

1. Wonder Woman
2. Sinestro
3. Green Lantern

My Lantern is kinda weak, though.
 
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Known_Hero said:
What are your main combo starters for Green Lantern? I find myself relying too much on Lantern's might and B1. I'm also having trouble with his mobility; he feels extremely slow.

My current line up is

1. Wonder Woman
2. Sinestro
3. Green Lantern

My Lantern is kinda weak, though.
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I use 2,2,3. If its blocked cancel into mini gun to makes the string safe, if it's hitting confirm into lift.
 
strangeotron said:
So you're looking for an argument then? I came here, posted politely, made my points. You, it seems, want to start a fight. Why, because you don't agree with me? Fine, then show me where I'm wrong. I've already invited you to tell me how Lex isn't poor and instead you insult me and tell me how and what I should say. You think that because I don't explicitly kowtow to you that I'm not grateful when people respond? It's an ongoing dialogue, that's how people communicate, doesn't mean they aren't grateful for responses and it doesn't mean that every post should be replete with a thousand thank yous.

I have no idea nor interest in what you tell your children, but I can only hope they don't care to be patronised.

if someone (from the UK, since the netcode cannot handle long distance connections) wants to practice then they are more than welcome to add me. I'm not very comfortable adding complete strangers, especially when most of the time we never play again anyway.

Drop the attitude dude, it's not needed.
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Your not reading something correctly, other have suggested things for you to do, the next post from you was a whine, Im telling you to stop whining and practice, go improve your ablitites instead of whining. Im sure you dont want to be a whiner right, I cant fathom anyone actually wanting to do that. Im telling you that you need to suck it up and practice and now that you have asked for UK help Im hoping someone helps you get better.

Known_Hero said:
What are your main combo starters for Green Lantern? I find myself relying too much on Lantern's might and B1. I'm also having trouble with his mobility; he feels extremely slow.

My current line up is

1. Wonder Woman
2. Sinestro
3. Green Lantern

My Lantern is kinda weak, though.
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Thats what you want, b1,3,LM once they start blocking it ill go for the f3 on start up, at this point you have conditioned them to block low which you can add in 2,2,3LM. He is a bit on the slow side so I find myself using (jumping over projectiles usually)B-F3 to close the distance alot and works well vs Doomsday's tracking and against Sinestro's meteor's for example.

I usually only MB LM and the Gatling gun.
 
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