SPOILER ALERT:Mortal Kombat X DIGITAL COMIC DISCUSSION

theincubuslord said:
Personally I don't mind either way, because... well, it's just Scorpion. I never really liked him, so whatever they choose to do with him is out of my care until they make a change to make him interesting. I was actually feeling some hope for Scorpion when we first heard about him no longer being a mindless spectre of revenge and actually pulled his shit together and recreated the Shirai Ryu clan... but all signs points to him just turning back into his same old boring vengeful self. :/
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That's not the point, though.
In the process of retconning that back-story in the comics, they would in-turn screw up the whole story of the 2 Sub-Zero brothers, and it negates anything that they had to do with him, thus ignoring their importance in the story, completely.
 
Commander said:
That's not the point, though.
In the process of retconning that back-story in the comics, they would in-turn screw up the whole story of the 2 Sub-Zero brothers, and it negates anything that they had to do with him, thus ignoring their importance in the story, completely.
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NRS showed how much they cared for the consistency of the canon lore in MK9. With all the stuff that happened in that game that broke the canon, such as Quan Chi taking over Shang Tsung's role, Kitana meeting Mileena for the first time during the MK2 part, the reason Sindel had died in Earthrealm, just mention a few...

I liked the Story Mode in MK9. I love that game. I love this franchise. But NRS has shown that they don't care about staying consistent with the already established lore. And they screw up alot of characters along the way along the way.

Scorpion and Sub-Zero will most likely get screwed over story-wise in this story.
 
theincubuslord said:
NRS showed how much they cared for the consistency of the canon lore in MK9. With all the stuff that happened in that game that broke the canon, such as Quan Chi taking over Shang Tsung's role, Kitana meeting Mileena for the first time during the MK2 part, the reason Sindel had died in Earthrealm, just mention a few...

I liked the Story Mode in MK9. I love that game. I love this franchise. But NRS has shown that they don't care about staying consistent with the already established lore. And they screw up alot of characters along the way along the way.

Scorpion and Sub-Zero will most likely get screwed over story-wise in this story.
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How do you know that's not just how they really wanted to tell the story, considering some of the characters weren't invented at the time?
 
Taj Gill said:
How do you know that's not just how they really wanted to tell the story, considering some of the characters weren't invented at the time?
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Doesn't matter. They screwed over the established lore.
It can be compared to movies being created by stories from books, like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. People who have read the books (the already established lore) and then watches the movies (the re-telling) can see all the things from the story that were changed and screwed over. Doesn't necessarily mean the movies are bad, just that they aren't consistent with the books.

It's the same deal with the story of the original trilogy timeline and the new timeline in MK9, and later with MKX. As said, NRS have already shown they are inconsistent. Doesn't matter what the reason is. And the same could happen to Scorpion's and Sub-Zero's background story. The things you fear will happen... they could happen.
 
Most of the retcons in MK9 worked well IMO. The Mileena-Kitana situation was weirdest but it made Kitana's plot move forward in the game. Quan Chi taking Shang Tsung's role in the MK3 part of the game was great, it would be stupid for Shao Kahn to trust Shang Tsung after he failed twice. Characters like Cyrax, Kung Lao and Sektor appearing earlier in the story was good too.
 
[MENTION=18014]theincubuslord[/MENTION] Fair enough. Still don't think they'd change something so defining between sub and scorp.
 
emi_b7 said:
Most of the retcons in MK9 worked well IMO.
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I think some of them worked well too, but I don't agree with all.
However, that wasn't the point. The point isn't if the inconsistencies are good or bad. The point is that they are inconsistent.

Taj Gill said:
[MENTION=18014]theincubuslord[/MENTION] Fair enough. Still don't think they'd change something so defining between sub and scorp.
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They did between Kitana and Mileena. And Kitana and Sindel. Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung. They turned Kuai Liang into a cyber ninja. Anything could happen.
 
We know bi han killed scorpion, in return hanzo kills him. The problem I find with the back story is their are like 3 different forms of that story over the course of movies, comics, and games. Main points remain but little things change like the sword or frozen, it's like they are combining the best parts of each I guess.
 
MKfighter89 said:
We know bi han killed scorpion, in return hanzo kills him. The problem I find with the back story is their are like 3 different forms of that story over the course of movies, comics, and games. Main points remain but little things change like the sword or frozen, it's like they are combining the best parts of each I guess.
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The crucial difference is Bi Han not killing or killing Scorpion's family.
Him killing Scorpion isn't really a big deal in terms of who they are and personality, because they were both assassins and fighters from rival clans and there's nothing nefarious about Bi Han of the Lin Kuei killing Hanzo of the Shirai Ryu. They were both big boys who knew what they did for a living, it certainly wouldn't justify Scorpion becoming so tortured and coming back as a specter.

What drives Scorpion against Sub-Zero is the death of his family, and what made Bi Han tragic was that he was innocent of those deaths. The details of where Scorpion died aren't that important but who killed his family changes the entire plot of that rivalry.
 
I understand some retcons in MK2011 were made to better fit the whole story and the characters. But events pre-MK1 like MKSM, Kenshi blinded by Shang Tsung, the whole thing with Argus, Delia and their sons and Blaze, Onaga's rules or Raiden vs Shinnok should remain unchanged.

On the other hand, if they have tried a little harder, they could have done the MK2011 story much more similar to the original Trilogy one, of course except from the important things like cyber Kuai, Motaro's death, empowered Sindel killing the Earth warriors, the demise of Shao Kahn or Liu Kang being burnt by Raiden.
 
VonKrupt said:
The crucial difference is Bi Han not killing or killing Scorpion's family.
Him killing Scorpion isn't really a big deal in terms of who they are and personality, because they were both assassins and fighters from rival clans and there's nothing nefarious about Bi Han of the Lin Kuei killing Hanzo of the Shirai Ryu. They were both big boys who knew what they did for a living, it certainly wouldn't justify Scorpion becoming so tortured and coming back as a specter.

What drives Scorpion against Sub-Zero is the death of his family, and what made Bi Han tragic was that he was innocent of those deaths. The details of where Scorpion died aren't that important but who killed his family changes the entire plot of that rivalry.
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Perfect. IMO the story was flawless. Putting Quan Chi as killer of Scorpion though, eliminates the tiny connection they had. So instead of having a complex story where Bi-Han was involved into one thing, but was completely innocent of another, and all the Map of Elements thing, they simplify by putting Scorpion and Quan Chi much more connected but put that one and Sub-Zero as completely strangers.

If this is the case, it's a very bad revision IMO.
 
Commander said:
That's the scenario that people aren't pleased with, if it turns out to be true.
The comic writer is making it seem (by that preview) that Sub-Zero killed Hanzo AND his family, which if true is a story retcon that screws up the whole Scorpion / Bi-Han continuity from MK9.
Thus, Bi-Han would have no chance at redemption and burying the hatchet with Scorpion in MKX, if true.
Sub-Zero ONLY killed Hanzo, not his family.
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I think there is still small hope we're just confused by some future thing.

because Subzero/Scorpion dialogue at the start at one point was something like,

Subzero: We grow tire of proving our innocence.

So worst case scenario, Quan Chi crafted the whole thing. And Subzero is completely innocent.

Or hopefully Subzero just killed him and left, And Quan Chi came behind froze his family, and held his head so he'd see his family "frozen" Cuz if scorpion KNOWS subzero killed him, then he'd assume whoever is holding his head to make him see his family, he'd assume it's subzero adding insult to injury. But it could just be Quan Chi making sure he saw that.

They definitely ret-conned fake subzero using a sword to kill them though like they showed in MK9

also possibly retcon the whole idea that scorpion didn't know what happened to his family as now he's clearly shown seeing them before dying.

I feel like the comic writer is mixing Normal Lore with those live action films :\
 
Critical-Limit said:
I think there is still small hope we're just confused by some future thing.

because Subzero/Scorpion dialogue at the start at one point was something like,

Subzero: We grow tire of proving our innocence.

So worst case scenario, Quan Chi crafted the whole thing. And Subzero is completely innocent.

Or hopefully Subzero just killed him and left, And Quan Chi came behind froze his family, and held his head so he'd see his family "frozen" Cuz if scorpion KNOWS subzero killed him, then he'd assume whoever is holding his head to make him see his family, he'd assume it's subzero adding insult to injury. But it could just be Quan Chi making sure he saw that.

They definitely ret-conned fake subzero using a sword to kill them though like they showed in MK9
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I know it may sound dumb. But I hope Bi-Han killed Hanzo and Quan Chi teleported very quickly with his head :laugh:

Anyway, I still think it will be difficult. Remember that the "blood demon" tried to remake the scene, and Hanzo went killing Lin Kuei warriors through his way.

Then he mentioned that he and Sub-Zero never spoke about feelings. Though a lie, seems to me that they had time to chat THERE.

I'm eager to read it.
 
dp spandisk parafan said:
At this point the only thing who matters is the leaked roster which proved to be true...
So, now it doesn't matter what suit they're using in the comic, we know the rest of the roster
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Explain to me how that "leaked roster" is anything to give full credit too?

My Brother Guessed the exact same list as that dude, He made an extremely conservative guess based on a bunch of old info. Johnny was leaked actually MONTHS AGO on accident in a interview. Kung Jin was leaked in that file, Jax was hinted at a long time ago. And Sonya/Kenshi is a safe guess.

I'd be more willing to believe said leak if something outlandish came true that's questionable. I'd still be willing to put money down something about the leaked roster will be wrong on release day.
 
Critical-Limit said:
Explain to me how that "leaked roster" is anything to give full credit too?

My Brother Guessed the exact same list as that dude, He made an extremely conservative guess based on a bunch of old info. Johnny was leaked actually MONTHS AGO on accident in a interview. Kung Jin was leaked in that file, Jax was hinted at a long time ago. And Sonya/Kenshi is a safe guess.

I'd be more willing to believe said leak if something outlandish came true that's questionable. I'd still be willing to put money down something about the leaked roster will be wrong on release day.
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He affirmed bow guy was kung Jin, that's not a simple guess, and he has guessed every new reveal.... That's enough to count that as true... I mean what else do you want? That he would show an identification of nrs? C'mon it's really clear now
 
I still don't think Scorpion's origin was retcon at all. I do think Quan Chi being the real killer is consider to be a spoiler in the game and the writer of the comic doesn't want to spoil it to newer fans.
 
dp spandisk parafan said:
He affirmed bow guy was kung Jin, that's not a simple guess, and he has guessed every new reveal.... That's enough to count that as true... I mean what else do you want? That he would show an identification of nrs? C'mon it's really clear now
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Actually that is possibly a simple guess. I don't think you've been following just HOW many people are making fake accounts claiming to be a "leak guy" and asking for followers to show more info. If you have hundreds or thousands of people making guesses on currently given information, it's not unlikely for someone out of that group to guess that right.

You need to specify "every new reveal" like I said that roster is pretty predictable...
 
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