Katalina Caine
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He did, I'm wrong. But Scorpion didn't accused him.
Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines
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He did, I'm wrong. But Scorpion didn't accused him.
Sn202
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How many times do i have to point out why that cant work.
You're so eager to point out why any other idea might make sense with Bi-Han supposedly cant work, but with the one that literally CANNOT WORK ANYMORE, you keep saying it'll happen or it can happen.
IT HAPPENED IN MK9 TO BI-HAN, jesus christ. Stop trying to make sense of that occurring again, it cant, theres no way it can.
Do you even remember why Quan Chi did it in MK4 in the first place? It was to kill Sub-Zero... WHO HE ALREADY HAS CONTROL OF AFTER MK9.
Subz 711
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How many times do I have to tell you that storyline DID NOT HAPPEN IN MK9. Why do you think this? You keep saying it, saying it saying it, but it did not happen.
Scorpion always thought Bi-Han murdered his family. That always happened. Always!!!! It happened in the original timeline as well. You keep saying it happened to Bi-han THIS TIME AROUND, but Scorpion never thought Kuai Liang murdered his family until MK4.
As far as Quan Chi having control of Kuai, well Bi-han is dead. Double dead. The soulnado is GONE. It's completely GONE. The Elder Gods also have no idea that an attack is coming their way. So, how are they going to save someone from a soulnado which has already ended? Someone would have already saved him for him to exist at all. Anything could happen which could free Kuai from Quan Chi. Are you forgetting Sareena is also in the netherealm to help Kuai escape?
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I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. I think Bi-han is MOSTLY evil. Murdering Scorpion after he begs for his life, Raiden and Quan Chi flat out telling him there's evil in his soul, Kuai Liang also (can't remember if it was an ending or bio) makes sure to say that he is NOT his brother showing just how different they are. Scorpion could flat out tell the differences between Kuai and Bi-han too. That means Scorpion knew Bi-han was a cold-blooded murderer. He saw how different Kuai was though and vowed to protect him which was retconned into vowing not to hurt him. All of this plus his transformation into Noob Saibot tells me that he was a mostly evil guy.
As far as Noob Saibot if the Netherealm just further tainted the evil in his soul then he's basically just an evil entity. If that evil is cleansed from him as a result of the soulnado though then yes, he should be good. Like not a murderer good. Also, Noob Saibot should be dead all together and I don't want that either.
Another problem that keeps arising here is you guys definitely don't give Kuai's personality any credit. He's a good guy. That does not = puss. Walking into Shao Kahn's arena and demanding Scorpion be brought to him is not a wimpy act. He also let it be known that he would help Sonya by telling her where to take Jax, but he would not step off of his journey to help carry him. That's why these personality characteristics a couple of you say you see are throwing you to the conclusion that this is Bi-han. You think Kuai's a cookie cutter good guy. He's not though. Ed Boon said Sub-Zero is MK's Batman. Is Batman a puss? ( though I still don't think you can draw a conclusion on their personalities from what little we have seen so far)
Sn202
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You really are an idiot.
Subz 711
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You're the only idiot because you keep saying Kuai's MK4 storyline already happened to Bi-Han.
Commander
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Not changing shit around for the new timeline?
More than half of the roster died, including various key characters from MK4 thru Deception.
Also, MK X starts from MK9 and spans 25 years, so you can't automatically assume or imply that Shinnok and Quan Chi just invade for 25 years, especially with Ed Boon saying that the MK X story will start from shortly after MK9 and span 25 years with it's own original story in the E3 interviews, and he even mentioned it in his Tweet.
For all we know, Shinnok and Quan Chi may also start with the MK4 premise and be stopped in year 5, with a totally different bad guy being the final boss by year 25 of the story.
There are a myriad of things that could happen.
I remember the ending for Armageddon not being with Shao Kahn beating the crap out of Raiden and killing him and winning, but that's exactly what happened in the MK9 intro.
You can't just automatically assume that because it happened in MK4, it'll happen again in this NEW timeline.
If that's the case, then why would NRS even bother making a NEW timeline / original MK X story?
Bi-Han,brother of Kuai Liang AKA SUB-ZERO was brutally murdered by the hell-spawned ninja spector SCORPION in the Mortal Kombat Tournament,Kuai's code name is Tundra & now he assumed the mantle of SUB-ZERO,he's a member of the Lin Kuei Ninja Clan who trained him the techniques of assassination,commands the power of ice & cold,now he is the GRANDMASTER of the Lin Kuei,now with the help of his fellow Lin Kuei SMOKE,SUB-ZERO timelessly hunts down the one who killed his brother.
jdnice11
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There is alot of thought of who this Sub-Zero is; well i don't thisnk we will know until it's either revealed by Boon himself before the game or in the game itself.
But until then here is my take on the hole theory/storyline:
What is Bi-Han as Noob Saibot was somehow cleansed in the Soulnado and returned (Unexplained) to his original self. it would kind of explain one of the Intros dialogues between Scorpion & Sub Zero (S:MURDERER, SZ: I tire of maintaining our Innocence, S: I will relieve you of your Burden).
But on the other Hand it could also be Kuai Liang. (Somehow return to his human form) Maybe the Fight between them in the Story his before they find out Quan Chi is the Real Enemy and once they find that out they they form their "Deadly Alliance" as hinted in Sub Zero's ending in MK9 (which is what i am hoping for)
i would love for Scorpion and Sub Zero (Kaui Liang) to realize they are not enemies and become Brothers of the sort.
But until then here is my take on the hole theory/storyline:
What is Bi-Han as Noob Saibot was somehow cleansed in the Soulnado and returned (Unexplained) to his original self. it would kind of explain one of the Intros dialogues between Scorpion & Sub Zero (S:MURDERER, SZ: I tire of maintaining our Innocence, S: I will relieve you of your Burden).
But on the other Hand it could also be Kuai Liang. (Somehow return to his human form) Maybe the Fight between them in the Story his before they find out Quan Chi is the Real Enemy and once they find that out they they form their "Deadly Alliance" as hinted in Sub Zero's ending in MK9 (which is what i am hoping for)
i would love for Scorpion and Sub Zero (Kaui Liang) to realize they are not enemies and become Brothers of the sort.
Subz 711
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Spitballin here but what the hell it's all speculation anyway.
So, I always believe that the endings play a significant role in MK. I still do. Most of the time a few will actually reveal plotlines as to the next story.
First background knowledge. Sub-Zero's MK4 bio mentions he dons his brothers armor once more and also carries with him secrets. Secrets which could hold the key to defeating Shinnok.
Now, let's look at two endings in MK9. (Also know that none of this is saying that Sub-Zero is Shao Kahn. That's not what I'm saying AT ALL. Shao Kahn is just sort of a key in this.
Cyber Sub-Zero's ending involves him becoming Shao Kahn or Cyber Shao Kahn. That's pretty much all it is.
Then, look at Quan Chi's ending. Quan Chi's ending reveals that after Kahn's defeat he is tasked with growing the ranks of the brotherhood of shadow. Shinnok repays him by ordering his execution. Quan Chi however, had predicted this and resurrected Shao Kahn to eliminate Shinnok.
Now, does anybody see the puzzle?
Cyber Subz is hinted as Shao Kahn in his ending. Then in Quan Chi's ending he resurrects Shao Kahn to protect himself against Shinnok.
However, Quan Chi does not have access to Shao Kahn because the elder gods wiped him from the slate. Who does he have in his possession with secrets to the defeat of Shinnok though? The same person who was hinted as being Shao Kahn in his ending.
See the dots there?
Now, I'm not saying that's a guarantee, but Quan turned on Shinnok in the old timeline. Who's to say he won't do it this time, and use Kuai Liang to do so?
So, I always believe that the endings play a significant role in MK. I still do. Most of the time a few will actually reveal plotlines as to the next story.
First background knowledge. Sub-Zero's MK4 bio mentions he dons his brothers armor once more and also carries with him secrets. Secrets which could hold the key to defeating Shinnok.
Now, let's look at two endings in MK9. (Also know that none of this is saying that Sub-Zero is Shao Kahn. That's not what I'm saying AT ALL. Shao Kahn is just sort of a key in this.
Cyber Sub-Zero's ending involves him becoming Shao Kahn or Cyber Shao Kahn. That's pretty much all it is.
Then, look at Quan Chi's ending. Quan Chi's ending reveals that after Kahn's defeat he is tasked with growing the ranks of the brotherhood of shadow. Shinnok repays him by ordering his execution. Quan Chi however, had predicted this and resurrected Shao Kahn to eliminate Shinnok.
Now, does anybody see the puzzle?
Cyber Subz is hinted as Shao Kahn in his ending. Then in Quan Chi's ending he resurrects Shao Kahn to protect himself against Shinnok.
However, Quan Chi does not have access to Shao Kahn because the elder gods wiped him from the slate. Who does he have in his possession with secrets to the defeat of Shinnok though? The same person who was hinted as being Shao Kahn in his ending.
See the dots there?
Now, I'm not saying that's a guarantee, but Quan turned on Shinnok in the old timeline. Who's to say he won't do it this time, and use Kuai Liang to do so?
Flying Jinko
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^ Nice theory, the only problem though is that Kuai doesn't really have the secrets to defeat Shinnok, any of the undead characters can be used by Quan Chi really. It would make more sense if it would be Bi Han, since he had already squared off against Shinnok once.
Rolling_Toaster
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Its Kuai -Liang. if you watch Cyrax's ending in MK4 it shows that the military has this weird thing where they can mae cyborgs into humans again so what if quan-chi just lets cyber sub-zeros soul go ( just an exampale probably a better reason why also he wasn't deafeated in the NethrRealm ) also if you compare sub-zeros unmasked costume to MKX sub-zero's then the nose face lips and everything look the same... A new sub zero isn't impossible though i just really would prefer Kuai - Liang over Bi - Han or a new sub-zero. also all these "soulnado" therioes are stupid the soulnado exploded W/ NOOB SAIBOT IN IT so he's obviously dead i dont see how he could be transported to the elder gods if the soulnado exploded
Kickinwing420
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How do you know he wasn't transported right before the explosion?
What if the explosion itself transported him to the elder gods?
The theory isn't stupid just because you prefer Kuai-Liang
Commander
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This.
Exactly. Thank you.
This Sub-Zero in MKX can be 1 of many.
It can be Bi-Han, Kuai-Liang or a completely different person.
P.S. - I'll leave this little tidbit of info for everyone in this thread to ponder, which everyone has completely looked over and not even considered:
Noob Saibot didn't show up in the NetherRealm, with the other dead warriors.
Bi-Han may still be alive.
Tarkatan Trash
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Or...it could be Shang Tsung masquerading as Sub-Zero. Vogel already konfirmed that Shang Tsung is NOT dead.
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Commander
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Doesn't make much sense, IMO.
Why masquerade as Sub-Zero, when he could masquerade as Kotal Kahn and be the ruler of Outworld?
Shang was quickly jumping the gun to rule Outworld, when Shao Kahn was thought to be dead at the hands of Liu Kang, in MK9.
Tarkatan Trash
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Shang Tsung can be anybody he wants to be.
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Commander
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Agreed that he can be anybody, but given the choice, being the ruler of Outworld is something that would appeal to Shang Tsung more, not being Sub-Zero.
Anyways, when asked the question of which Sub-Zero this is in MKX Ed Boon replied by saying that there are many Sub-Zeros in the Lin Kuei, in an MK interview, so my money is on this being a new Sub-Zero.
jdnice11
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Many Sub Zero's? Yes I've heard this comment from Ed Boon as well, BUT what other Sub Zero's are there? Have they ever been mentioned? I thought Bi-Han & Kuai Liang where the last of the Cryomancer descendants! Im just confused that's all. I guess its a NEW storyline since its a NEW generation!
I still hope somehow it is Kuai Liang! That's the Sub Zero we all know!
Commander
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Bi-Han and Kuai-Liang aren't the only descendants.
The 2 brothers also had a sister, according to MK lore.
So, I'm thinking that this is probably the nephew of the 2 former Sub-Zero brothers, or (the less likely scenario, since Cryomancy is passed down genetically) a pupil of 1 of the former brothers.
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