Let's discuss possible SubZero storylines
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Jion_Wansu
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Bi-Han in the original timeline went to the Netherrealm in Mythologies, because of his tainted soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwxImxlXhN4
Subz 711
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Why do you think it's so stupid though when I've pointed out all of the ways that the Soulnado theory is just as, if not more stupid?
It's fine if you like Bi-Han. However, don't call one theory stupid when yours is just as bad.
Also, I keep saying I don't know why Quan would bring Kuai back. I don't know if it would be to throw Scorpion off or to promise him he will give him the true murderer of his family or some shit. I DON'T KNOW. I'm just saying Kuai is a soul. He still has ice powers. He still also carries the name Sub-Zero.
If you want further evidence of Quan Chi morphing people's appearance look no further than Sareena, Kia, and Jataaka. They're demons, yet Quan makes them look human. Why couldn't he do this with Kuai?
No he doesn't, unless that's been retconned also.
The backstory of Mythologies says that Shinnok was the one who went around Netherrealm giving demons humanoid forms.
Sn202
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The Soulnado theory makes sense from a writers standpoint based off of previously established canon.
You understand that its entirely possible the Elder Gods could do what they did to Scorpion, and revert his form because his form as Noob was a servant to Shinnok.
You know, rainbow Satan?
Quan Chi returning a character to life, changing their personality completely, and giving them their old body, doesnt make much sense when he's changed all of his other minions so much.
Really it just sounds like you dont like it. Your idea wouldnt really fit the character, and wouldnt really be something i'd see them do if they were trying to change shit around for the new timeline.
In MK9. Think about why that is, its really simple.
Why would you create upwards to 10 or 12 new fighters for ONE FIGHT at the end of the game when you can just reskin existing ones that they're intended to be? You wouldnt. Because its stupid and expensive.
And he would return Sub-Zero to his prior appearance becauseeee?
Im trying to think like a writer, and it doesnt really fit with the characters past behavior to just be like "Yo, have your old body back, and while you're at it, be an ally to the clan you hate i guess, serves no purpose really, lol, you're acting nothing like your character and would be better suited as being this other character"
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Also, WHY BOTHER having a character in the game if he ACTS like an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT character who already exists and has the same abilities and mantle? Why not just have THAT ONE instead? If his change in personality is because of Quan Chi... Why bother having Kuai in the first place if he's just become Bi-Han?
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How would Bi-Han being fixed up to serve the Elder Gods against Shinnok and other targets be stupider than Scorpion being fixed up to serve the Elder Gods against Onaga and other targets?
We know that a Soulnado can go to the Heavens. Bi-Han being part of Netherrealm's army shouldn't be a problem if Scorpion was accepted.
We know that a Soulnado can go to the Heavens. Bi-Han being part of Netherrealm's army shouldn't be a problem if Scorpion was accepted.
Flying Jinko
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A better way to explain the soulnado theory would be Noob Saibot actually being destroyed/killed. The soulnado rips his body apart, destroying him completely just leaving his soul behind which gets trapped in the soulnado like all the other souls as it rises upto the heavens. There the elder gods then would have sensed his soul and saves him. They promise to resurrect him to his former human self only on the condition that he becomes their champion and does their bidding. They ask him to return to the Lin Kuei but keep his interaction with them a secret so that their enemies from knowing that the elder gods have brought forth their champion.
I feel this theory maybe more feasible as it puts the argument of Noob Saibot being two to rest, while it also fits with the known canon regarding the soulnado.
I feel this theory maybe more feasible as it puts the argument of Noob Saibot being two to rest, while it also fits with the known canon regarding the soulnado.
Subz 711
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Except I've already argued that the soulnado has closed. The elder gods have no idea this attack is coming, and that's copy/pasting storylines onto other characters. I can think of one example where that happened in MK9. That was Smoke and Sub-Zero. Even then they didn't swap exactly though because Kuai was still more prominent than Smoke.
If they copy/paste storylines like that, it is bad writing. Lazy writing actually
Also, you need to stop saying that you know this Sub-Zero's personality already because we've seen what two lines? Yet, you have this whole personality mapped out like he's devious.
People were saying this for MK9 to though...
Except they're really not changing shit around that much for the new timeline. We wouldn't be on track to MK4's storyline if shit was changed that drastically. What MK9 did was changes a lot of details. Like Kitana and Mileena not growing up together. These changing of details is what ruined the story in MK9. The main plot really isn't all that different.
Shao Kahn is defeated and now Shinnok and Quan are trying to take earth? Sound familiar?
Also, why wouldn't bringing Kuai back fit his character? Because that's all I've really suggested.
Idk what you're even addressing in that last paragraph.
Ummm, you're clearly not thinking like a writer. Here's just a hypothetical. Quan really needs Scorpion to do something for him in MKX, yet Scorpion won't do it. So, Quan Chi being the dick he is takes Kuai and morphs him to look human. He then tells Scorpion he will give him the true murderer of his family only if Scorpion does as he asks. There's an MK4 portion for Sub-Zero right there.
Then later in the game Kuai is brought back to life and takes the LIN KUEI over from Sektor. The EXACT lin kuei who turned him into a walking refrigerator. Hence why maybe this Sub-Zero wears Lin Kuei gear???
Also, there you go again creating this whole character off of two lines. "Shirai Ryu Dog" which I've said fits Bi-Han. "I tire of maintaining our innocence" could completely be Kuai though. Like it literally goes either way. You're creating a personality off of so little though.
First off, again with this??? Really? Apparently you have seen a storymode that none of us have because Sub-Zero has a clear cut defined personality to you. Hell, there are threads devoted to how the new characters will be aligned??? That's how little we actually got.lol
However, you have a made a good point. Why bring in an existing character just to change their personality completely? Noob Saibot fits in line with Bi-Han's personality. Fighting for the side of good without any real benefit to Bi-han does not fit his personality. There's a very good possibility we could see Scorpion and Sub-Zero team up in this game. That REALLY does not fit his personality. Yet, that's what a lot of you are asking for.
If they take Noob Saibot from Bi-han then they're taking the evil from him. That essentially kills the Bi-han you all know.
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Flying Jinko
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I think you are overstating the 'evil' in Bi Han way too much. He wasn't evil per se like Quan Chi, Shao Kahn etc, he was more or less a neutral character doing things as he wishes. Being an assassin tainted his soul, just like it would have tainted Kuai Liang's, Shujinko's and Taven's soul. All of them have seemingly done deeds deemed bad which allowed them entry into the Netherealm without much consequence. Not everything in MK is black and white as you make it out to be.
Subz 711
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What I'm saying is that if you can somehow strip Noob Saibot out of Bi-Han then the evil should theoretically be gone. Bi-Han may not have been fully evil, but like I've said he killed Scorpion. Scorpion was begging for his life, and Bi-Han still just had no mercy. I'll argue that's why most of his fans like him. He's merciless and yes borderline evil.
When Kuai was told to finish Reptile in MK9 he did not do the same. He said that wasn't his place there. That's semi in line with old canon where Scorpion saw him spare someone's life and knew that this couldn't be Bi-Han.
If you take Noob Saibot out of Bi-han does he not essentially become Kuai Liang?
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Wouldn't stripping noob from Bi Han still make him Bi Han in the sense that he is still evil. Becoming Noob only tainted him further. I also wouldn't say as most do that he is Quan chi's puppet like Scorpion is. Noob only serves Quan chi to further his own agenda its always been about him. So now thinking about it why would Bi Han want to be Sub-zero again? He apparently loves his new form. This leads me to think it's most likely another descendant. All im saying is I feel the soulnado theory makes the most sense if they were bringing back one of the brothers
Katalina Caine
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In fact the two phrases fit only for Bi-Han as Scorpion never met Kuai in this timeline.
MK_Reaper
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Too be fair Scorpion did meet kuai liang at the outworld tournement
Subz 711
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He actually did when Kuai beat his ass.
Anyway, as far as the "I tire of maintaining our innocence". It fits Kuai's MK4 storyline. Coincidentally that's the storyline we are entering.
Flying Jinko
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No taking Noob Saibot away from Bi Han makes him Bi Han, the same individual he was before he died. Bi Han wasn't wasn't really evil as I had explained, so taking Noob away from him wouldn't change him much as a human. You can't also really compare Bi Han's killing of scorpion to Kuai Liang's sparing of Reptile. The Shirai Ryu were rivals to him, but Reptile was not. Also the reason why fans like Bi. Han is for his bad ass attitude, along with his history on being to defeat gods on his own. Look at MKX for example, if you notice the character select screen for Sub Zero you see him walking towards the screen, slamming his fists together breaking the ice he had formed in an intimidating way. That is not something I can't picture Kuai Liang doing. That along with the "Shrai Ryu dog" line is what fans find appealing about him. I'm not saying the Sub Zero is definitely Bi Han, but so far he shares more characteristics to Bi Han than Kuai Liang.
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