Do you think Kitana and Mileena would make the cut?

[Tarkatan Trash]

Well it was a lame costume design to be sure anyway. But you have to admit that it was tasteful in the sense that you can point out several women who actually DO dress like that in real life. At least it was believable.

That costume was still in that piece of shit MK Annihilation movie. For that reason alone, that costume sucks.

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[GloriousDK]

Sure. But AT LEAST it was believable.

 

[iViTal]

If you don't care, that's fine. But a lot of people do care. Yet you wont weigh in on the idea that the men be specifically designed, not just to be a good character, but also to titillate gay men and women. You haven't addressed it. I think despite your reasons, it would certainly get on your nerves to see the male characters blatantly sexualized instead of representing the male power fantasy.

You don't have a good reason short of saying you don't care. But MK isn't JUST for you. Fans like all kinds of different aspects of the game, not just the fighting mechanics. So some fans are saying we'd like to see the representation improved but yet I bet you HARDLY protest at those same fans maybe saying they hope NRS improves the design of Scorpion or Sub Zero to look more like ninjas instead of knights. Think about why you want to go after this, but yet you most likely don't talk this much about people discussing the designs of the men.

I think you two have something much more invested in trying to shut people up who talk about the costume designs of the women. I've complained before about the designs of Scorpion in the past and I've NEVER seen anyone chime in and tell me to shut up because I thought he was too armored. But yet we bring in the representation of women in the game and all of a sudden, we gotta hash this out while you two fight over it with a couple of people who care and you insist that you don't care, but here you are... arguing over it.

All you could have said was "Yeah, for the fans that it matters to, I hope they do improve on that aspect because all the fans should have a chance to enjoy the game."

But you two didn't do that. You told us to shut up about it because it doesn't matter to you. If it didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be arguing with us about it.

You're 100% right, I'm not giving you a solid reasoning to why I don't care.

I can only speak for myself, but I chimed in because I feel that the request is dumb because we should be more concerned about the gameplay versus how the women are being presented to us, and I don't see how it could improve the experience of some fans knowing that the characters are less exposed. I don't care how they're represented because I buy the game because I enjoy fighting games and the mechanics that MK has to offer are better than the ones presented in SF, DOA, etc.

You guys are making it seem like the games are completely unplayable because the MK women costumes are far too revealing, you're making it seem as if the games wont sell because of it so big of an "Issue".

You're 10000000% correct, everyone should have a chance to enjoy the game, but it's impossible to please everyone especially when you whine and cry about a subject as "Serious" as this one.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Wow no one is saying NRS wasn't using sex appeal to sell it to you.

I think we're all in agreement on that. I'm just saying If you about that, you must be against all people appearing barely naked.

Hate on 5th element
Hate on v for vendetta.

None of those movies NEEDED nudity either. 5th element was also using that the same way NRS did.
I'm saying you have to be pissed across the board, you can't just cherry pick.

Also ricochet I'm not gonna debate about your sister, I don't know all the variables in her life to debate you. What I can tell you is, as long as there are obese people and ugly people not caring about looking like people in magazines, there must be other variables.

It's like telling you the school shooting happened because of video games. When there are millions of other people playing the same game and it's not making them kill people.

The pretty people everywhere problem stems from humanities natural desire to seek the most attractive mate. Objectification has existed before tv, books, video games. Taking them out won't stop it.

It exists in media because it's a product of people. It's not the media making the people do it. It's people wanting it and te media giving it to them.

 

[GloriousDK]

You're 100% right, I'm not giving you a solid reasoning to why I don't care.

I can only speak for myself, but I chimed in because I feel that the request is dumb because we should be more concerned about the gameplay versus how the women are being presented to us, and I don't see how it could improve the experience of some fans knowing that the characters are less exposed. I don't care how they're represented because I buy the game because I enjoy fighting games and the mechanics that MK has to offer are better than the ones presented in SF, DOA, etc.

You don't know how other people experience it and you're not qualified to say that their experience doesn't matter because it's not your experience and it's not your place to tell people how to enjoy the things they love.

You guys are making it seem like the games are completely unplayable because the MK women costumes are far too revealing, you're making it seem as if the games wont sell because of it so big of an "Issue".

We said nothing of the sort. This is just one aspect of the game we hope gets improved. It LOOKS like it might be heading in that direction, so there's reason to be optimistic about it. Unlike you, there are certain things about MK that we HAVE or had to tolerate despite the great design in all the other aspects of the game. This is an experience that you admit that you haven't had unless there's something about the gameplay mechanics you felt was imbalanced and you know what... your complaints about those things are VALID. Just like how some fans want the women to be better represented is equally as valid.

You're 10000000% correct, everyone should have a chance to enjoy the game, but it's impossible to please everyone especially when you whine and cry about a subject as "Serious" as this one.

No. This is an issue that is easily corrected. When it comes down to it, we're talking about character designs just as important as keeping Scorpion a yellow ninja. Maybe those things don't matter to you. But for me, the artistic direction is very important as well as a solid piece of gameplay and you know.... both of these things can be accomplished. Gameplay doesn't suffer because perhaps the studio might design the women to be better suited for combat instead of being suited for the pole. They're only limited by their imagination. Giving the women something more than just using sex as a weapon or dressing as strippers wont hurt the game, but actually improve it for those who also enjoy a good story and good character design. Why you want to argue those points despite the fact that gameplay wont suffer is strange. Maybe you just don't like people who desire to see the other half of the population being better represented anyway. That's fine I guess. There's lots of people like that out there. But for you, the hardcore fighting game player wont suffer for seeing Kitana in a more conservative and combat ready costume. For you, this SHOULD be a non issue since you insist over and over that you don't care. So for those that enjoy a good story, good art, and good character design, this conversation really isn't for you because you're only looking forward to the gameplay mechanics. Why you want people who care about it to shut up is telling. You have your excellent gameplay. For the other fans that have issues with other parts of the game, they deserve to be heard and they deserve to also be catered to just as much as you are. And no, not everyone can be pleased; you're right. But this issue isn't beyond the scope of being corrected and improved. So let's not make this an issue about how design HAS to be limited because somehow a better represented group of women would make the game worse cause for some reason... the work of a visual artist would ruin the work of a gameplay coder (it doesn't).

 

[GloriousDK]

Wow no one is saying NRS wasn't using sex appeal to sell it to you.

I think we're all in agreement on that. I'm just saying If you about that, you must be against all people appearing barely naked.

Hate on 5th element
Hate on v for vendetta.

None of those movies NEEDED nudity either. 5th element was also using that the same way NRS did.
I'm saying you have to be pissed across the board, you can't just cherry pick.

Why are you telling me to care about an issue that I already care about? You don't know how far someone's commitment to something goes; so throwing it out there that I should care about nudity in all forms is a ridiculous demand because I may already be at that point. We're talking about Mortal Kombat. Not the 5th Element, not Street Fighter, not Cinemax. Mortal Kombat. That is the subject. You don't know what we're even cherry picking about. The fact that you think it's just about nudity reveals your limited scope on this issue. It's not about just nudity. All due respect, I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about what's really being talked about here. Your information is limited. The representation isn't limited to nudity. It goes deeper than that, but going that far needs discussions on gender and sexuality studies that is far too exhausting to hash over.

Also ricochet I'm not gonna debate about your sister, I don't know all the variables in her life to debate you. What I can tell you is, as long as there are obese people and ugly people not caring about looking like people in magazines, there must be other variables.

But these things DO happen and yes, the way the media depicts bodies is certainly part of the issue. Just because some overweight and ugly people don't complain doesn't mean it's not an issue worth addressing in society.

It's like telling you the school shooting happened because of video games. When there are millions of other people playing the same game and it's not making them kill people.

No. It's not. There's been studies shown about a correlation between underrepresented people's self esteem and how the media portrays them. This is stuff that's been talked about over gender, sexuality, and racial studies. This stuff is academic and can be actually observed.

The pretty people everywhere problem stems from humanities natural desire to seek the most attractive mate. Objectification has existed before tv, books, video games. Taking them out won't stop it.

Appealing to fate or human nature is a facile argument. Human nature isn't something that's defined as depraved from the get go and waving off bad shit because it's human nature is lazy. Human nature is informed by all sorts of environmental, social, and productive relations. Not even the most elementary student of philosophy would invoke human nature because we only know of human nature in the sense that we experience it right now. It CAN be corrected.

It exists in media because it's a product of people. It's not the media making the people do it. It's people wanting it and te media giving it to them.

No. These are products of capital, patriarchy, history, labor relations, and social power relations. There's more to what's being discussed here than just "Well shit sucks cause human nature, so let's not even try to do anything cause we're bound to mess anything up anyway." All due respect, your scope on the issue seems very limited. Just focus on hoping they make a great game with good gameplay. Other people will hope for something better than strippers. This shouldn't bother you, but here we are tangling over it. You're making me think it does bother you.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Wow. I can't even....

So a couple people venture into this thread while a conversation is taking place JUST to chime in and say that they don't care and we're all stupid for having beliefs and discussing a real life problem that isn't as bland as "I hope dis person is in da game cause reasons." or "i wasnt eccpexting Raiden to be revealed so i am mad as hell!"

The forum is flooded with people who don't care about anything but what effects them personally.

"I am a young heterosexual white male gamer... Things like the objectification of women, racial stereotypes and the degrading treatment of characters I don't care about mean nothing to me. I'll still pwn yo ass online though. My gamertag is xxxxxx, come at me bro!"

 

[GloriousDK]

Wow. I can't even....

So a couple people venture into this thread while a conversation is taking place JUST to chime in and say that they don't care and we're all stupid for having beliefs and discussing a real life problem that isn't as bland as "I hope dis person is in da game cause reasons." or "i wasnt eccpexting Raiden to be revealed so i am mad as hell!"

The forum is flooded with people who don't care about anything but what effects them personally.

"I am a young heterosexual white male gamer... Things like the objectification of women, racial stereotypes and the degrading treatment of characters I don't care about mean nothing to me. I'll still pwn yo ass online though. My gamertag is xxxxxx, come at me bro!"

Ricochet, I'm already exhausted. If you want to delve into white male privilege, just know that I'm really tired and you may not be able to tag me in... soooo... keep abreast of what this is about to become. Ugh. I personally don't want to go there because talking about stuff like that is tantamount to pulling teeth.

 

[Critical-Limit]

Why are you telling me to care about an issue that I already care about?

I wasn't talking to you.

But these things DO happen and yes, the way the media depicts bodies is certainly part of the issue. Just because some overweight and ugly people don't complain doesn't mean it's not an issue worth addressing in society.

I never said it's not worth addressing. I'm claiming you're looking in the wrong place if you blame things like Mileena.

No. It's not. There's been studies shown about a correlation between underrepresented people's self esteem and how the media portrays them. This is stuff that's been talked about over gender, sexuality, and racial studies. This stuff is academic and can be actually observed.

There's a correlation between the number of pirates in the world, and global warming. I guess Less pirates = hotter earth.

I get what you're trying to say but that's going to AUTOMATICALLY be correlated. Because as I said. The media displays it that way because it's humans that want it. you need to work at the root of the problem, not the televisions. You're just going to have a hard time dealing with ignorant people who play off their carnal desires selfishly.

Appealing to fate or human nature is a facile argument. Human nature isn't something that's defined as depraved from the get go and waving off bad shit because it's human nature is lazy. Human nature is informed by all sorts of environmental, social, and productive relations. Not even the most elementary student of philosophy would invoke human nature because we only know of human nature in the sense that we experience it right now. It CAN be corrected.

I didn't wave it off lol. quit putting words in my mouth. I KNOW it's a issue, you all are aiming your problems at the wrong medium. Humans can also be kind, and collective. But how do they become like this? It's society and culture.

You don't really CHOOSE who you become, you become who you are depending on where the hell you are in the world at any given time. Yes you can make decisions with rational. But you got that rational from society no?

same thing goes for people with low self esteem. You can fix the society they grow up in, and suddenly it's not so bad. But can't go extreme in the other direction and censor people. That causes people to grow up w/o failure. If you are always patting people on the back, they have problems learning to grow as a person.

No. These are products of capital, patriarchy, history, labor relations, and social power relations. There's more to what's being discussed here than just "Well shit sucks cause human nature, so let's not even try to do anything cause we're bound to mess anything up anyway." All due respect, your scope on the issue seems very limited. Just focus on hoping they make a great game with good gameplay. Other people will hope for something better than strippers. This shouldn't bother you, but here we are tangling over it. You're making me think it does bother you.

Of course there are move variables. But do you HONESTLY believe 1,000 years from now if you try hard enough. people won't still become more horny when they see someone vs someone else? I think you're lying to yourself here.

I'm generalizing because i'm not about to sit here and debate the hundreds of categories of variables that play into this just to get you, one person in this pointless world to get on my side of this issue.

You should work toward teaching critical thinking, and social acceptance. Rather than try to get Mortal Kombat to cover up mileena more.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Ricochet, I'm already exhausted. If you want to delve into white male privilege, just know that I'm really tired and you may not be able to tag me in... soooo... keep abreast of what this is about to become. Ugh. I personally don't want to go there because talking about stuff like that is tantamount to pulling teeth.

Oh no. I'm totally done with this argument. But some of what I mentioned has been brought up in the past and was fought over. I was describing many of the tedious posters who spew bile all over this forum. lol

 

[Critical-Limit]

Oh no. I'm totally done with this argument. But some of what I mentioned has been brought up in the past and was fought over. I was describing many of the tedious posters who spew bile all over this forum. lol

Right so you think it's white male privilege that's being discussed here? this isn't an equality debate. It's a debate on whether or not Mileena makes girls want to barf and get skinny randomly. It was about me talking to araknyd saying sexual objectification, needs someone who can objectify in the first place to recognize it. The difference is, we can recognize the objectification as something bad, because people are more than sex.

Did gloriousDk ever talk about woman privilege? The things they can do and get away with in society? How they win most court cases in a unfair amount? How men have a much higher suicide rate?

to even mention "male privilege" means you're working for one side and don't want REAL equality. not talking about you Ricochet. You debate honorably.

 

[Kzaoo]

Oh, shit... this is turning into tumblr. :creep:

 

[GloriousDK]

I wasn't talking to you.

It sure as hell seemed that way.

I never said it's not worth addressing. I'm claiming you're looking in the wrong place if you blame things like Mileena.

No, I already know where that shit comes from. I know it's not just Mileena.

There's a correlation between the number of pirates in the world, and global warming. I guess Less pirates = hotter earth.

No there isn't and it's telling if you'd invoke something senseless like this into the discussion. I can't trust your opinion or view on this because it comes off as dangerously limited. Sorry.

I get what you're trying to say but that's going to AUTOMATICALLY be correlated. Because as I said. The media displays it that way because it's humans that want it. you need to work at the root of the problem, not the televisions. You're just going to have a hard time dealing with ignorant people who play off their carnal desires selfishly.

No it's not just the way humans want it. It has to do with things such as patriarchy, capital, racism, ect. These are real issues and Mileena is an expression of those issues and I know you just want the human experience to be some universal monolithic thing, but it doesn't work that way and your insistence that it does makes me take you far less seriously. Plus I really don't want to get into these issues with you because it's not my job to teach you about these issues. It was never enough for grade school to tell kids that shit like sexism is bad and racism is bad and homophobia is bad. It certainly goes to other places than this reductive and simplistic approach you're taking and I don't have the energy to correct that for you. If you want a more nuanced scope of the issue, I can refer you to some authors to look up, but I'm not going to give you an essay as to the effects of patriarchy, racism, and the contradictions of capital and the social structures inherited therein.

I didn't wave it off lol. quit putting words in my mouth. I KNOW it's a issue, you all are aiming your problems at the wrong medium. Humans can also be kind, and collective. But how do they become like this? It's society and culture.

So stop telling people to shut up about it or that it doesn't matter. Mortal Kombat doesn't have to be yet another expression of the objectification of women to unfortunately say anything about the glorification of violence. We're asking for better representation of women in Mortal Kombat. THAT ISN'T AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.

You don't really CHOOSE who you become, you become who you are depending on where the hell you are in the world at any given time. Yes you can make decisions with rational. But you got that rational from society no?

Please... don't lecture us on shit that's obvious. Social inheritance and orientation in power relations are real, but they're not static and they can be corrected. Saying nothing is one thing, but this is already going far beyond just asking if the women could be better attired for the players that enjoy that kind of thing, especially to a person who claims they don't care.

same thing goes for people with low self esteem. You can fix the society they grow up in, and suddenly it's not so bad. But can't go extreme in the other direction and censor people. That causes people to grow up w/o failure. If you are always patting people on the back, they have problems learning to grow as a person.

Oh please. This has nothing to do with censorship. And seriously... who is free speech for then when so many messages and memes in society disparage the non-privileged? All we're asking for is for the creators to take the female fighters more seriously instead of them just being sex kitten fighting machines. It's not beyond their talents, so please stop telling other fans it's not worth talking about. It is worth talking about.

Of course there are move variables. But do you HONESTLY believe 1,000 years from now if you try hard enough. people won't still become more horny when they see someone vs someone else? I think you're lying to yourself here.

I'm not lying to myself. We can see the standard of beauty change over the centuries. This can be observed. But just viewing that doesn't account for whom those standards serve and that's the part you want to lump into just "humanity" instead of considering who actually benefits the most from these standards, which have to do with social power relations.

I'm generalizing because i'm not about to sit here and debate the hundreds of categories of variables that play into this just to get you, one person in this pointless world to get on my side of this issue.

I don't want to have to educate you on these issues because you should be doing that yourself instead of telling people to shut up about real issues that they'd like to address in a damned videogame. Just cause it's a videogame doesn't mean it has to be just like all the other male power fantasy pandering products we get fed to generation after generation.

You should work toward teaching critical thinking, and social acceptance. Rather than try to get Mortal Kombat to cover up mileena more.

You should stop telling people to shut up when they bring the issue up. On one hand, you demand everyone else to solve these issues and then on the other, when they bring it up as a discussion as to how perhaps one their favorite videogames could be part of that solution, you tell them to shut up. Social correction doesn't have to be some monumental leaps and bounds cultural revolution shenanigans. It could start with maybe a few popular media outlets to actually depict women and minorities in a way that those people could identify with those characters. But here you insist that they don't have that right and that their issues aren't important. Well you're not the boss of the rest of the fans and contrary to what you might want, some people who are more socially aware might actually want their entertainment to reflect some of their values. We have a right to enjoy this game just as much as you do and just cause you see no reason for any correction doesn't mean that our experience with one of our favorite games is invalid because you don't care. Please...

 

[Critical-Limit]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

your not educated on the topic I was discussing...

why does sex sell? because people like SEX.

If you stop selling sex, it doesn't stop people from wanting it....

If people didn't like sex, like you claim. then it wouldn't sell.

You keep bringing up societal structures as causes for some in-equalities. and I agree with that lol wtf are you on about.

You're assuming I'm some sort of person who wants to see females fall into some unequal and unfair treatment. I'm just a fan of freedom and equality, and if some dude wants to wank off to an attractive girl, and the attractive girl consents to being used in that medium. Then I don't see the problem here.

I'm down if both parties are consenting. In the issues of things like Super models. Where they are pressured into being in a certain unhealthy weight class, then you need to use some form of media or info outlet to get people to stop eating up what they sell. It sucks, but as it is if those girls are still willing to do that despite the dis-advantages, when they have millions of other possibilities. That's their choice. If you think it's a bad choice then try getting them educated on the risk/rewards of said decision before hand. Sadly some people will take those disadvantages for the money promised.

that's their priority.



EDIT: lol I never told anyone to stop talking or shut up. quote that specifically for me.

 

[Ricochetmatt]

Right so you think it's white male privilege that's being discussed here? this isn't an equality debate. It's a debate on whether or not Mileena makes girls want to barf and get skinny randomly. It was about me talking to araknyd saying sexual objectification, needs someone who can objectify in the first place to recognize it. The difference is, we can recognize the objectification as something bad, because people are more than sex.

Did gloriousDk ever talk about woman privilege? The things they can do and get away with in society? How they win most court cases in a unfair amount? How men have a much higher suicide rate?

to even mention "male privilege" means you're working for one side and don't want REAL equality. not talking about you Ricochet. You debate honorably.

My comment on the whole racial issue was in reference to a previous debate (several of them actually) from a while ago. Not in this thread. But it seems like it's the same kind of people who keep speaking out against specific concerns such as the discussion on Mileena being overly sexualized.

They all spit out the same crap. "I don't care." "This is a video game, not reality." "Stop whining newbs."

 

[Critical-Limit]

My comment on the whole racial issue was in reference to a previous debate (several them actually) from a while ago. Not in this thread. But it seems like it's the same kind of people who keep speaking out against specific concerns such as the discussion on Mileena being overly sexualized.

They all spit out the same crap. "I don't care." "This is a video game, not reality." "Stop whining newbs."

Ok, I mislead myself. thanks for answering.

 

[GloriousDK]

your not educated on the topic I was discussing...

why does sex sell? because people like SEX.

If you stop selling sex, it doesn't stop people from wanting it....

If people didn't like sex, like you claim. then it wouldn't sell.

You keep bringing up societal structures as causes for some in-equalities. and I agree with that lol wtf are you on about.

You're assuming I'm some sort of person who wants to see females fall into some unequal and unfair treatment. I'm just a fan of freedom and equality, and if some dude wants to wank off to an attractive girl, and the attractive girl consents to being used in that medium. Then I don't see the problem here.

I'm down if both parties are consenting. In the issues of things like Super models. Where they are pressured into being in a certain unhealthy weight class, then you need to use some form of media or info outlet to get people to stop eating up what they sell. It sucks, but as it is if those girls are still willing to do that despite the dis-advantages, when they have millions of other possibilities. That's their choice. If you think it's a bad choice then try getting them educated on the risk/rewards of said decision before hand. Sadly some people will take those disadvantages for the money promised.

that's their priority.



EDIT: lol I never told anyone to stop talking or shut up. quote that specifically for me.

Where is the gay combatants then? Where's the transgendered combatants then? Of course everyone loves sex, but the sex that's being sold to everyone is heteronormative stuff that we see every single time. And you're a fan of equality but then you're digging your heels in when people ask for better representation of minorities and other genders because the issue isn't worth it for a videogame? Spoiler alert, the issue is worth EVERYWHERE.

And you keep dismissing the issue as unimportant, thus telling us it's not worth discussing. I don't need Bro Von Patriarch to man-splain to me their world view because I used to be that way. I used to be a so called fan of freedom and equality until I started to realize that any time the damned project of equality is attempted, I threw in my bullshit bro-splaining as to why the issues weren't worth it because it was just a television show, or just a game, or just a blog, or just a magazine, or just an ad, or just this and just that. At what point does actually correcting inequality have ANY space to function then?

I can't talk to you about this. You're not interested in learning anything about the issues because it doesn't bother you. Maybe someday you'll come around.

Edit: You could have just said that we had a valid point and that you shared in our hope that maybe NRS would take that criticism in kind and perhaps the representation would be corrected. But you didn't do that, even AFTER admitting that you didn't care one way or another. Fan of equality and freedom over here, people...

 

[Critical-Limit]

Where is the gay combatants then? Where's the transgendered combatants then? Of course everyone loves sex, but the sex that's being sold to everyone is heteronormative stuff that we see every single time. And you're a fan of equality but then you're digging your heels in when people ask for better representation of minorities and other genders because the issue isn't worth it for a videogame? Spoiler alert, the issue is worth EVERYWHERE.

And you keep dismissing the issue as unimportant, thus telling us it's not worth discussing. I don't need Cracker Von Patriarch to man-splain to me their world view because I used to be that way. I used to be a so called fan of freedom and equality until I started to realize that any time the damned project of equality is attempted, I threw in my bullshit bro-splaining as to why the issues weren't worth it because it was just a television show, or just a game, or just a blog, or just a magazine, or just an ad, or just this and just that. At what point does actually correcting inequality have ANY space to function then?

I can't talk to you about this. You're not interested in learning anything about the issues because it doesn't bother you. Maybe someday you'll come around.

Edit: You could have just said that we had a valid point and that you shared in our hope that maybe NRS would take that criticism in kind and perhaps the representation would be corrected. But you didn't do that, even AFTER admitting that you didn't care one way or another. Fan of equality and freedom over here, people...

I also don't believe you should FORCE political correctness on a work of fiction.

lol Me not caring about how they look was just me personally. I'm saying I don't feel attracted or feel like I want to "rub one out" when I see them. They do nothing to stimulate lust in me. That's all I ment by that saying. I wasn't saying I "don't care about the issues."

anyways I sent you a PM. I think you are misunderstanding my position.

Also I'm not dismissive. You're allowed to want mileena more well dressed. I don't care either way.

My original post. Was that a near naked woman, is just a near naked woman. It' becomes sexually objectified once I start getting aroused by "just the almost naked aspect". If I'm attracted to the character for other reasons then it becomes more than just sexual objectification. I'm attracted to the character.

This has no relevance to me in MK. I was just telling Araknyd to notice sexual objectification you have to objectify it yourself to see it as such. It's pretty clear NRS was trying to use sex appeal to draw some people in. aka objectifying Mileena.

Otherwise you just see a person in TP.


I could use an analogy. If I see a naked alien. and it's just standing there. most people wouldn't see that as sexual objectification. Even if it did a pose, I wouldn't see it as sexual objectification. It becomes that way when people start becoming attracted to said aliens. otherwise it's just an alien doing a pose.

 

[Jade]

I personally don't care how little a chick wears in a game. Sure, some costumes can look downright ridiculous, but, whatever, I am more concerned with how the character plays than what she is, or isn't, wearing.

 

[GloriousDK]

I personally don't care how little a chick wears in a game. Sure, some costumes can look downright ridiculous, but, whatever, I am more concerned with how the character plays than what she is, or isn't, wearing.

Says ONE woman. Opposed to many of my female friends and queer friends who actually care about those issues. Surely you at least understand why the issue is important to some of the fans.