Raiden WILL appear

Sub-Zero said:
I just don't think "faking" is the right word. I've watched it 10 times today already. Raiden gives up, Kahn initiates a beat down that Raiden just endures, and then the Elder Gods hit the reset on Raidens health bar, and another fight happens that Raiden wins.

Raiden surrendered. He gave up. He lost the fight they were fighting at that time.

Like I said, he lost... So he could win.
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Giving up means he gave up. No hope. No plan. He's accepting death.

But that is not what happened. Even as he laid there letting Shao Kahn beat on him, he looks up and says something along the lines of "Elder Gods, where are you?"

He was trying to draw them out by giving Kahn a false sense of victory.
 
^ I felt it to be more of a desperate sort of call by Raiden for me, finally thinking that the elder gods had forsaken him. Even otherwise, Raiden would not have been able to defeat Shao Kahn by himself, it very much seemed like he was running with his own faith hoping the elder gods to interfere but not knowing exactly how.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
Giving up means he gave up. No hope. No plan. He's accepting death.

But that is not what happened. Even as he laid there letting Shao Kahn beat on him, he looks up and says something along the lines of "Elder Gods, where are you?"

He was trying to draw them out by giving Kahn a false sense of victory.
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I don't remember seeing Raiden with his fingers crossed though...

Do we really think Raiden could trick Kahn?

Sure.

You're all not saying it like that, because you're all saying he's tricking Kahn in to thinking he won which in turn means he's tricking the Elder Gods too.

"He must win!"

That's what he said.

Not "He must think he's won!"

Because Kahn legit had to win. Which is what happened when Raiden gave up and let Kahn pound his face in.

So, like I'm saying. Raiden had to lose, so he could win.
 
Sub-Zero said:
I don't remember seeing Raiden with his fingers crossed though...

Do we really think Raiden could trick Kahn?

Sure.

You're all not saying it like that, because you're all saying he's tricking Kahn in to thinking he won which in turn means he's tricking the Elder Gods too.
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Yes.
Raiden could trick the elder gods too, because aparently in MK9, they were blind fools until the invasion was complete (Kahn crossed the portal to Earth).

Sub-Zero said:
"He must win!"

That's what he said.

Not "He must think he's won!"

Because Kahn legit had to win. Which is what happened when Raiden gave up and let Kahn pound his face in.

So, like I'm saying. Raiden had to lose, so he could win.
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Kahn winning = the invasion being complete (which was illegal in the eyes of the elder gods, without winning the tournament), with Kahn being successful in that.
The invasion was complete when Kahn crossed the portal, which is why Raiden told Liu Kang not to interfere with Kahn crossing over to Earth.

"He must win" =/= Kahn defeating Raiden or the other warriors, as you are implying.
"He must win" refers to the invasion of Earth being complete, with the elder gods then interfering.
 
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So why didn't they lay their smackdown as soon as he crossed the portal? Was traffic heavy in whatever city they were in? Or did they just want to wait and see if Raiden would win that fight that he lost that caused the Elder Gods to finally intervene which then allowed Raiden to win?
 
Sub-Zero said:
So why didn't they lay their smackdown as soon as he crossed the portal? Was traffic heavy in whatever city they were in? Or did they just want to wait and see if Raiden would win that fight that he lost that caused the Elder Gods to finally intervene which then allowed Raiden to win?
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They did.
When Shao Kahn crossed over, they interfered and strengthened Raiden to defeat Shao Kahn.
The wait was likely NRS building suspense for that part of the story, as the cut-scene flashed back and forth between the ending of Armageddon (Dark Raiden) and MK9 (MK1 Raiden.).
 
Sub-Zero said:
So why didn't they lay their smackdown as soon as he crossed the portal? Was traffic heavy in whatever city they were in? Or did they just want to wait and see if Raiden would win that fight that he lost that caused the Elder Gods to finally intervene which then allowed Raiden to win?
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They arrived not long after he crossed over. Maybe a minute or so after. Which is why Raiden was like "Wtf? Lets go!"

The thing about the Elder Gods, at least in how MK9 describes them in a very subtle way, is that they are all powerful beings who are so far up their own asses that the death of millions and the near destruction of an entire realm is hardly a big deal.

They came down from the Heavens only after Kahn crossed over and then proceeded to slander their name and doubt their power. The only way I could explain why they took so long is because they are d-bags.
 
I really felt like the wait was because the Elder Gods needed Raiden to lose a fight. Which is the whole premise of the game. Fighting for your life.

If you watch the cut scene it's a legit fight and Kahn wins it. Then as he's going for the fatality(because he's won) that's when the Elder Gods are all "Nope." And punish Kahn.
 
Sub-Zero said:
I really felt like the wait was because the Elder Gods needed Raiden to lose a fight. Which is the whole premise of the game. Fighting for your life.

If you watch the cut scene it's a legit fight and Kahn wins it. Then as he's going for the fatality(because he's won) that's when the Elder Gods are all "Nope." And punish Kahn.
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Nah, I agree with Ricochetmatt.

The elder gods are a bunch of douchebags in MK9, unlike in the previous MK1 thru MK: A timeline.
The elder gods did stuff whenever it suited THEIR needs in MK9, as opposed to the overall needs of humanity / other realms.
The elder gods saw Shao Kahn as a threat in killing Raiden because he himself wanted to become an elder god, which likely meant that he would come after them next.
He even says it himself.
"Today, I become THE elder god."
 
Sub-Zero said:
I really felt like the wait was because the Elder Gods needed Raiden to lose a fight. Which is the whole premise of the game. Fighting for your life.

If you watch the cut scene it's a legit fight and Kahn wins it. Then as he's going for the fatality(because he's won) that's when the Elder Gods are all "Nope." And punish Kahn.
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How was that a real fight? Raiden barely touched Kahn. He bowed to him and then got his ass beat down. There's no way that was Raiden at his best. He didn't even try to win.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
How was that a real fight? Raiden barely touched Kahn. He bowed to him and then got his ass beat down. There's no way that was Raiden at his best. He didn't even try to win.
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Um, yeah... That's been my point this whole time. He have up, let Kahn beat him in a fight, and then got what he wanted which allowed him to win.
 
Sub-Zero said:
Um, yeah... That's been my point this whole time. He have up, let Kahn beat him in a fight, and then got what he wanted which allowed him to win.
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A fight would infer that both people were involved in the battle, and Raiden wasn't involved in the "fight," AT ALL.
It wasn't a fight.
It was a one-sided beating.
By that definition of yours, beating up a department store mannequin or a rag doll would also constitute in a "fight."
Not so.

The fight actually started when Raiden was infused with the power of the elder gods, and they both were involved in the battle.
 
Sub-Zero said:
Um, yeah... That's been my point this whole time. He have up, let Kahn beat him in a fight, and then got what he wanted which allowed him to win.
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Yeah, he faked his defeat. Giving up insinuates that he saw no purpose in trying to stop Kahn. That means surrenders not only himself, but the realm. Which he didn't do. He was pulling a fast one on Kahn and in a way, the Elder Gods.
 
Tarkatan Trash said:
So you're saying Raiden threw the fight?

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I see your trap.

They've been saying that Raiden tricked Kahn in to thinking he won. But it looks like a real beat down he got.

This is how I interpret the ending...

Raiden realizes beating Kahn yet again in a fight is pointless. That it will all just continue and that Kahn has to win. He let's Kahn cross over, and says "you win, bro. GG" Kahn proceeds to beat him in a fight(you know that ritualistic thing they do to determine who owns what?) So Raiden loses the fight. Which seals the deal on the invasion. That's the event that triggers the Elder Gods in to "oh no you didn't" mode and they show up to set things straight by helping Raiden beat Kahn.

So he had to lose. So he could win.
 
Ricochetmatt said:
Yeah, he faked his defeat. Giving up insinuates that he saw no purpose in trying to stop Kahn. That means surrenders not only himself, but the realm. Which he didn't do. He was pulling a fast one on Kahn and in a way, the Elder Gods.
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No ! He faked nothing. Raiden must lose. That's because Shao Kahn win that cause him to began merging the Earthrealm with Outworld.

The Elder Gods had forbidden this act without the Mortal Kombat. That's why they infuse Raiden with their power.
 
There's a reason why he fights Liu Kang before the final battle. Liu was getting ready to take Kahn on and if he had won, which he would have, Armageddon would not have been prevented. Raiden knew what had to happen and Liu challenges Raiden's demands. This results in Liu Kang's death.

Raiden then lets Kahn cross over and beat the snot out of him, giving the Elder Gods the incentive to involve themselves. They clearly weren't in any rush and don't actually show up until Kahn speaks ill of them. They infuse Raiden with their essence and he demolishes Kahn. The Elder Gods then chew his ass out and it's over. Raiden had successfully tricked Kahn and the Elder Gods.
 
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