Mortal Kombat: 3D vs 2D

badrock said:
I would have to disagree with you on that one. I have a lot of friends who were all die hard MK fans that completely gave up on MK after Deception/Armageddon. They are all still gamers, but whenever they see a new MK come out they just think "same old shit". MK9 will really have to sell itself as something different to get those gamers back into it.
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And yet your friends didn't effect the overall sales of MK Vs. DCU... Since it found it could sell itself to DC fans as well as MK fans that time round.

News flash - MK fans aren't the only gamers around, there are others out there who'd pick up a game out of curiosity.
 
Angel said:
News flash - MK fans aren't the only gamers around, there are others out there who'd pick up a game out of curiosity.
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If you would have read my post in context you would have seen that I was addressing someone saying that all MK fans would blindly buy MK9.
 
And I'm saying it doesn't matter if not all the MK fans buy it, they don't all have to buy it, there will be some who aren't even fans buying it after all.

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Example; I don't own MK Vs. DCU game, partly because I can't buy it without first owning the console to play it on. But just because I'm an MK fan doesn't mean I have to buy it for the sake of owning it as an MK fan, same goes for the handheld versions of MK, which I own a DS and have one version of. My bro owns a Wii I didn't go out of the way to buy MK: Arm for it (we owned the PS2 version anyway so why bother). My bro also owns a Gameboy colour but alas, once again no MK game.

Heck most of us don't even own ONE ISSUE of the comics (I've got 2 :-P).

As an MK fan you are not compelled to be forced to buy something because you're a fan!
 
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I am proud to say I own Goro: Prince of Pain #1 and Mortal Kombat: Rayden and Kano. Not just the regular versions, either; Goro #1 is the limited edition silver cover variant, and Rayden & Kano is the gold glossy variant.

badrock said:
I don't think MK will ever have a truly great 3D game, mainly because they will always be compared to the 2D versions. They had a franchise that got its popularity on the 2D versions so they should stick to that, even if it means pulling a SF4 and having 3D for the graphics alone.
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No, Mortal Kombat got its popularity for being bloody, gritty, dark and different. Had MK not featured the aforementioned factors, it would have been just another fighting game in a long line of 2D fighting games. But the blood, grittiness and darkness is precisely what separated Mortal Kombat from other fighting games, not its 2D game play. MK-UMK3 were all 2D, because 2D was how a majority of fighting games were made at the time. After Trilogy, the series needed to evolve, because that 2D format and game play of Mortal Kombat was simply outdated. Sure, MKII and UMK3 are still popular, but do we want a new game exactly like II and U-3? No. Those games have a lasting nostalgic popularity, but it's not something that should be repackaged and offered as new to the market. The main reason is because Mortal Kombat has a long history of constantly evolving, and mostly, for the better.

The notion that no MK 3D game will ever be truly great because of the 2D versions is absolutely retarded. Deadly Alliance was a fantastic game, and Deception was a solid follow-up. The only people who won't admit that are those who blindly cling to their 2D MK games.


badrock said:
If you would have read my post in context you would have seen that I was addressing someone saying that all MK fans would blindly buy MK9.
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Of course all MK fans will blindly buy MK9. But, there's a difference between blindly buying, and blindly liking. Of course some fans are going to hate MK9 for some reason or the other. But, if you think all MK fans won't buy the first legitimate MK game in years, you're living on another planet. MK9 is as highly anticipated by MK fans as MKIII, MK3 and Deadly Alliance all were.
 
Kurtis Stryker said:
Deadly Alliance was a fantastic game, and Deception was a solid follow-up. The only people who won't admit that are those who blindly cling to their 2D MK games.
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The only people that won't admit Deadly Alliance was fantastic are the people with a ****ing noodle in their head. To say that if you don't love that game you are blindly clinging to its predecessors is insane. I have been playing fighting games all throughout my teen and adult life, and there are very few games I would regard as truly fantastic. Deadly Alliance is not a game I would put in that category, and I guaruntee you I am not alone.

I love the MK franchise but I can also admit its faults.
 
Kurtis Stryker said:
I am proud to say I own Goro: Prince of Pain #1 and Mortal Kombat: Rayden and Kano. Not just the regular versions, either; Goro #1 is the limited edition silver cover variant, and Rayden & Kano is the gold glossy variant.
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List of things to do:

Break into KS's house and steal his comics...

Lol. XD

I own the last part of Sonya + Kahn's marriage (where it flops) and Kano and Rayden... Part where we see the two servants... Oh heck who cares, the comics were **** anyway. :-P
 
Angel said:
List of things to do:

Break into KS's house and steal his comics...

Lol. XD

I own the last part of Sonya + Kahn's marriage (where it flops) and Kano and Rayden... Part where we see the two servants... Oh heck who cares, the comics were **** anyway. :-P
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My Comic Shop actually sells back issues of MK. I might eventually complete the Goro run, and get Tournament 1 and 2.
 
badrock said:
The only people that won't admit Deadly Alliance was fantastic are the people with a ****ing noodle in their head. To say that if you don't love that game you are blindly clinging to its predecessors is insane. I have been playing fighting games all throughout my teen and adult life, and there are very few games I would regard as truly fantastic. Deadly Alliance is not a game I would put in that category, and I guaruntee you I am not alone.

I love the MK franchise but I can also admit its faults.
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I missed this earlier but I guess Special Forces is its faults then huh?

I must confess I didn't know that game EXISTED before I came to TRMK. :-/
 
Patrick McCarron said:
Seems Capcom seems to agree it's a good direction to go.

http://kotaku.com/5453638/capcom-to-adopt-25d-for-future-fighters
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That's interesting, but I don't see the point of boxing themselves in like that. I like that style, and it makes sense from the standpoint that the quality of 3D graphics has finally caught up to 2D as far as polish and cleanliness, but for someone like Capcom to essentially toss out hand-drawn graphics altogether is somewhat disconcerting to me. Is it possible that we're seeing the beginning of the end for the 2D sprite?
 
IMO, 2d Mortal Kombat AI are like mind readers or something. For example, MK2, I play as Jax, and finish arcade mode in 2 whole hour on the easiest mode and I suddenly get beat in the second stage, like WTF. 2D Mortal Kombat is alot harder than 3D MK, which is why I find the new MK more fun, but I still like the 2d MK. MK vs DCU's gameplay is what MKDA through MKA should have been.
 
DeathcoreRyknow said:
That's interesting, but I don't see the point of boxing themselves in like that. I like that style, and it makes sense from the standpoint that the quality of 3D graphics has finally caught up to 2D as far as polish and cleanliness, but for someone like Capcom to essentially toss out hand-drawn graphics altogether is somewhat disconcerting to me. Is it possible that we're seeing the beginning of the end for the 2D sprite?
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Well as its been said before, it takes up less memory to run a 3D model then a 2D one.

Plus the other advantage to a model Vs sprite is detail overall. As I said earlier, a 3D sprite will react to lighting whereas a 2D one will, but not in the same way, because its flat. On top of that, if you wish to change a small detail, such as the length of someone's coat, you don't have to redo the entire sprite set just to add one detail. Shadows are caste better and highlights react better.

On top of it, you can compact more details into a 3D sprite then a 2D one, although I must confess sprites look neater done usually. :-/
 
Yeah, I'm not going to debate which is more versatile, because it's obvious, but 2D sprites have always had their place in gaming and I safely assumed they had plenty of life left yet. Someone as big as Capcom (who supported the medium for so long, even when it wasn't popular to do so) dropping them sounds like a big deal to me.
 
2D's time has passed. They're still good for nostalgia trips, but we have lived in the 3D age for a long time. It's just natural, and sensible, evolution.
 
I've had most exposure to 2D MK games and only a little MK:A and DA and I prefer the 2D. I don't know why, I suppose it's just the aesthetics.
 
KornKombat said:
I think future MK games should be 3D but with 2D gameplay.
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You will NOT see the team going to hand drawn or digitized humans for any future MK game. It's much more cost efficent to do as pebkac said "2.5D" where it's a 3D rendered game with 2D gameplay.
 
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