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[Subz 711]

It's funny, because we've given many possible out comes for what should happen to Noob saibot now that he's been kicked into a soulnado. Yeah we've said you can't just go poof and CSZ is human again, the difference between Bi han and Kuai liang is one just died, change to him shouldn't happen quickly. Bi han was kicked into a Soulnado something has to happen to him. Because not only did he get kicked into it, it imploded because of it.

Missed this earlier as well.

No, I've seen "All" of the possibilities you've thrown out. They are all Noob gets seperated from Saibot. I have discussed that this makes no sense though because who the hell are Noob and Saibot? Either way neither one of them would be Bi-Han. I've said that many times. "ALL" of your arguments center around the same concept. Bi-Han becomes Sub-Zero because he gets seperated from Noob Saibot somehow in the soulnado. I've said that I don't believe that. Mainly because I believe they are one and numerous lines from Noob as well as the shadow ability I told you earlier should prove that he is merely one being with the ability to control shadows. You may think you somehow debunked that, but him being able to spam shadows would imply that indeed there is more that one shadow.

Also, I have thrown out exactly what I think happened to Noob Saibot. I think, just as his ending implies, that Havik most likely pulled him from the soulnado somehow. Yes, it appeared to implode, but like you said none of us know exactly what happened. My guess though is that Havik and Noob Saibot are going to be a team, and with Havik wanting to cause Chaos and Noob Saibot wanting to rule the Netherrealm I believe that indeed he will be against Quan Chi because of the grudge he holds against Quan Chi. Being free of Quan now will allow Noob to try and take over the netherrealm. That will lead Noob Saibot and Havik to HAVE to side with the good side. Regardless of if they want to or not.

I also threw out a reasonable way for Kuai Liang to become human Sub-Zero again. Sareena believing him to be Bi-Han and wanting to aid him would inadvertantly lead her to use either magic or Quan's inner sanctum to revert him to his original form. That's exactly what Quan's inner sanctum does. It reverts Quan to his natural state before he entered battle. So, hypothetically Sareena knows where this is who's to say she wouldn't try and get Sub-Zero there? If it does revert a person to their original form through magic, it would be perfectly fine. Yet, you say that is such a cop out. How is that a cop out when it's an original way? At least it's not a recycled deception storyline which would be just as much of a cop out except it just happens to be in Bi-Han's favor. How come when I come up with ways for Kuai Liang to become human again it's a cop out, or he shouldn't be Sub-Zero again, but when you throw out the same old idea that you have been throwing out I should just accept it as what should happen???

Actually mine is semi recycled, but anyway here is the proof that the inner sanctum could work just as well as your soulnado idea:

Drahmin's ending in Deadly alliance (Non-canon but still let's you know exactly what the inner sanctum can do):

"Drahmin leapt at Quan Chi and both kombatants stumbled into the Inner Sanctum Chamber. Moments later, Drahmin emerged from the chamber altered from his previous form."

If Sareena knew the location of the Inner Sanctum, bam there's a perfect explanation. It would also tie Sareena in well into the story because just saying she sided with the good guys would seem a little off. She would need a reason, and this would be a perfect reason. Plus with Shinnok not being able to leave the Netherrealm yet Sareena could warn Sub-Zero to tell Raiden of the coming invasion. She then leads him to a portal where he then leaves the Netherrealm and he tells Raiden of the coming invasion. Raiden then begins preparing knowing his forces are weakened and sends Sub-Zero (with his knowledge of the Lin Kuei temple) and Sonya (with her knowledge of the tech) to reverse Cyrax's automation and recruit him to the cause.

I don't like giving away that idea because I actually feel as if it is a really good idea and if by some chance NRS saw that and it was what they were going to do it would probably be changed immediately.

Also MKvsDC may not be canon, but it has been discussed many time that things said in that game could in fact be canon. Don't just pay attention to that point though pay attention to Kuai Liang beating Bi-Han fair and square too. There all excuses one way or the other because people will always deny that Kuai Liang is more powerful than Bi-Han even though it's been heavily hinted at many times. Why you think Bi-Han would always have Smoke when he jumped Sub-Zero in the old timeline?

 

[AMES32]

I'm really done with this convo, though we both made good points. This seems to have run it's course and went around a few times.

We get that you don't get it. Noob = Bi Han corrupted. You also say that he can spam his shadows, though true, have you ever seen him throw more then just one at a time? Nope.

No. in a game that's noncanonical the entire thing is untrue. You can't pick an choose what's cannon. Especially when in the next convo, Raiden tells Kuai liang, "You did not wear him down. His power was taken and redistributed," referring to Superman. Cause The merging of the 2 earths affected everyone's powers.

 

[Subz 711]

I'm really done with this convo, though we both made good points. This seems to have run it's course and went around a few times.

We get that you don't get it. Noob = Bi Han corrupted. You also say that he can spam his shadows, though true, have you ever seen him throw more then just one at a time? Nope.

No. in a game that's noncanonical the entire thing is untrue. You can't pick an choose what's cannon. Especially when in the next convo, Raiden tells Kuai liang, "You did not wear him down. His power was taken and redistributed," referring to Superman. Cause The merging of the 2 earths affected everyone's powers.

I'll give you the mkvsdc one.

Nope you're still wrong though on bi Han being corrupted. The only thing he's corrupted by is the darkness in his own soul, and he allowed that to happen. All of the good in him was killed once he entered the fifth plane and the darkness within him took over. I perfectly understand that. Its you that don't understand that a symbiote or demon of some type was not placed within him. It was merely the dark evil things that bi Han did in life coming back to bite him and take him over in hell.

Also talking about there being multiple shadows. How many people actually know that or even pay attention to that? I've always, before you told me, thought I had really just one MAIN shadow. That being the darkest one. You really think Nrs pit any thought into someone having multiple shadows? Also even so I could still argue that in one maybe two of his combos it does appear as if there could b multiple shadows attacking you. So that point is not agreed on either. He manipulated shadows and all the "second" person is is the shadow.

You're right though this argument is over. I've been trying to put an end of it a couple times now but it seems like you have to prove to me that Noob saibot isn't one person but I have never seen good evidence to suggest he is multiple beings.

 

[AMES32]

Being somewhat of an artist I would hope their concept people know that. Depending on the number of light sources people could have any number of them. And with a character that can manipulate his shadows I certainly hope Nrs took that into account.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Nope you're still wrong though on bi Han being corrupted. The only thing he's corrupted by is the darkness in his own soul, and he allowed that to happen.

That's pretty much the same thing lol. I think what you're trying to say though is that he isn't corrupted/influenced by outside forces, which for the original timeline, is true. As for this timeline, Quan Chi resurrected him instead of just being reincarnated into a purely evil being (Noob Saibot) like in the old timeline, so it's possible that he still might have some good leftover trapped deep within his soul (like how the souls of the "soulless" cyborgs were trapped within them), but maybe Quan Chi found a way to suppress the good and keep it buried within his soul through his own influence. That's just a theory, though.

About the whole Bi-Han splitting from Noob and turning back into Sub-Zero thing, I wouldn't say that's too farfetched either as such a thing was brought up in Noob Saibot's Armageddon ending, when the old Bi-Han came to fight Noob Saibot over control of Bi-Han's soul. The ending may have been non-canon, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that Bi-Han and Noob actually did split from each other. The events that took place in that ending are not canon, but the ability to split from each other may very well be a real possibility. Maybe it just takes a force that is extremely powerful to split the two (such as the power of Blaze, or a soulnado *wink wink*).

 

[ticroo]

That's pretty much the same thing lol. I think what you're trying to say though is that he isn't corrupted/influenced by outside forces, which for the original timeline, is true. As for this timeline, Quan Chi resurrected him instead of just being reincarnated into a purely evil being (Noob Saibot) like in the old timeline, so it's possible that he still might have some good leftover trapped deep within his soul (like how the souls of the "soulless" cyborgs were trapped within them), but maybe Quan Chi found a way to suppress the good and keep it buried within his soul through his own influence. That's just a theory, though.

About the whole Bi-Han splitting from Noob and turning back into Sub-Zero thing, I wouldn't say that's too farfetched either as such a thing was brought up in Noob Saibot's Armageddon ending, when the old Bi-Han came to fight Noob Saibot over control of Bi-Han's soul. The ending may have been non-canon, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that Bi-Han and Noob actually did split from each other. The events that took place in that ending are not canon, but the ability to split from each other may very well be a real possibility. Maybe it just takes a force that is extremely powerful to split the two (such as the power of Blaze, or a soulnado *wink wink*).

I'd like to see a variation of Reptile. Like, there's ninja Reptile and there's his true form, far more powerful (something like human - dinosaur - snake combo) with hypnotic powers and able to throw poison all around. Kind of like King Hiss from Masters of the Universe. This new character should be unlockable or something. Like human Smoke was in UMK3. As for Noob Saibot - Sub-Zero discussion, I figure Noob could take a human Sub form via code or whatever. That way we could have both human and robo Sub. When it comes to original chars, I would like to see some monster aliens. We never had space monsters in MKs. There could also be some guy made out of stone (could be Tremor, why not?), slow but strong as hell (boss or sub-boss). Mutants could also be interesting. We could have this guy with another guy growing out of his belly or some horror like that. Or cyborg with a cannon for a hand and extendable limbs. I dunno, what do you guys think?

 

[Commander]

About the whole Bi-Han splitting from Noob and turning back into Sub-Zero thing, I wouldn't say that's too farfetched either as such a thing was brought up in Noob Saibot's Armageddon ending, when the old Bi-Han came to fight Noob Saibot over control of Bi-Han's soul. The ending may have been non-canon, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that Bi-Han and Noob actually did split from each other. The events that took place in that ending are not canon, but the ability to split from each other may very well be a real possibility. Maybe it just takes a force that is extremely powerful to split the two (such as the power of Blaze, or a soulnado *wink wink*).

This is exactly what I was trying to get at before.
Well said, sir.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Does anyone still want an archangel to appear in this game? He can be the "true" champion of the Elder gods. He'd be sent to not only help the heroes defeat Shinnok, but also to keep an eye on Shujinko on his "false" quest.

He'd possess techno-organic wings and some Elder god armor from Armageddon to be his costume.

 

[AMES32]

Yeah Revamp he could be called Dimashi a false guide leading shujinko.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Yeah Revamp he could be called Dimashi a false guide leading shujinko.

I don't think the angel will be Damashi. The archangel knows Damashi is Onaga so he's trying to warn Shujinko to stop this false quest.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yeah Revamp he could be called Dimashi a false guide leading shujinko.

Revamp doesn't want a false guide though, he wants an actual Elder Gods champion to be playable. Hence why he said the true champion, and why he said he would warn him of his false quest.

Does anyone still want an archangel to appear in this game? He can be the "true" champion of the Elder gods. He'd be sent to not only help the heroes defeat Shinnok, but also to keep an eye on Shujinko on his "false" quest.

He'd possess techno-organic wings and some Elder god armor from Armageddon to be his costume.

I've always wanted to have a true Elder Gods champion as a playable character. Since Elder Gods are going to be more prominent in MK10 most likely, it would make sense to include a character like that.

I'm not sure how I feel on him having wings, though

I'd like to see a variation of Reptile. Like, there's ninja Reptile and there's his true form, far more powerful (something like human - dinosaur - snake combo) with hypnotic powers and able to throw poison all around. Kind of like King Hiss from Masters of the Universe. This new character should be unlockable or something. Like human Smoke was in UMK3. As for Noob Saibot - Sub-Zero discussion, I figure Noob could take a human Sub form via code or whatever. That way we could have both human and robo Sub. When it comes to original chars, I would like to see some monster aliens. We never had space monsters in MKs. There could also be some guy made out of stone (could be Tremor, why not?), slow but strong as hell (boss or sub-boss). Mutants could also be interesting. We could have this guy with another guy growing out of his belly or some horror like that. Or cyborg with a cannon for a hand and extendable limbs. I dunno, what do you guys think?

I really like the idea of Reptile having another form, actually. Him having hypnotic powers would be pretty interesting, it isn't too farfetched as IIRC, he had that power in some of the MK comics.

As for space monsters, it's been suggested before and I'm not really too keen on the idea of aliens from outer space at all. Doesn't really fit MK, in my opinion. I'd rather us just have Netherrealm demons and Oni, same goes for the horror character idea and mutants. As for the stone boss idea, yeah, you could probably just make him Tremor lol. And I wouldn't mind having another cyborg, but him having a cannon would remind me too much of Cyborg from DC/Teen Titans.

 

[Commander]

And I wouldn't mind having another cyborg, but him having a cannon would remind me too much of Cyborg from DC/Teen Titans.

I'm tired of cyborgs.
NRS already has 3 to choose from if they want.
That's like introducing another Shokan (we already have Sheeva and Goro) or more ninjas (Sub-Zero and Scorpion should be the only 2 masked male ninjas for MK10).

Rain can be masked too, to hide his identity from Edenians who might recognize him, like Sindel or Kitana, but maybe wear more of a warrior or Edenian Army General costume, rather than a ninja for MK10.
Maybe Rain's father (Argus) had betrayed Sindel and Kitana in the MK3 part of this timeline, so Rain goes into seclusion and hides his face, so that they won't hunt him down. I dunno.

 

[ticroo]

Revamp doesn't want a false guide though, he wants an actual Elder Gods champion to be playable. Hence why he said the true champion, and why he said he would warn him of his false quest.

I've always wanted to have a true Elder Gods champion as a playable character. Since Elder Gods are going to be more prominent in MK10 most likely, it would make sense to include a character like that.

I'm not sure how I feel on him having wings, though

I really like the idea of Reptile having another form, actually. Him having hypnotic powers would be pretty interesting, it isn't too farfetched as IIRC, he had that power in some of the MK comics.

As for space monsters, it's been suggested before and I'm not really too keen on the idea of aliens from outer space at all. Doesn't really fit MK, in my opinion. I'd rather us just have Netherrealm demons and Oni, same goes for the horror character idea and mutants. As for the stone boss idea, yeah, you could probably just make him Tremor lol. And I wouldn't mind having another cyborg, but him having a cannon would remind me too much of Cyborg from DC/Teen Titans.

I also had an idea about a joke character... A guy made entirely out of trash! He could throw sh*t at the enemies, leave banana peels lying around for opponents to slip, use a trash can lid for blocking and\or charging... He would have these flies around him that he could send to distract the opponents. I imagine his X-ray move to be something in the line of stabbing the foes with a broken bottle then crushing their skulls with a trashcan or a mace consisting of a can of spoiled beans atop of a stick... or a 2x4 with a nail in it. Fatality: bunch of hobos run into the screen and eat the victim... or beat the unfortunate dude to death, whatever. Both scenarios work.

 

[Flying Jinko]

Rain can be masked too, to hide his identity from Edenians who might recognize him, like Sindel or Kitana, but maybe wear more of a warrior or Edenian Army General costume, rather than a ninja for MK10.
Maybe Rain's father (Argus) had betrayed Sindel and Kitana in the MK3 part of this timeline, so Rain goes into seclusion and hides his face, so that they won't hunt him down. I dunno.

That's unlikely since Argus died a really long time before Mk1, even before Shao Kahn's invasion of Edenia in fact. Also I doubt Rain knows of his ancestry as of yet, even if he does I see him fill in a more of a traitor role along with Tanya than anything else.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Revamp doesn't want a false guide though, he wants an actual Elder Gods champion to be playable. Hence why he said the true champion, and why he said he would warn him of his false quest.

I've always wanted to have a true Elder Gods champion as a playable character. Since Elder Gods are going to be more prominent in MK10 most likely, it would make sense to include a character like that.

I'm not sure how I feel on him having wings, though

Thank you! If MK11 happened, the archangel would appear to Shujinko a couple of times, trying to stop him from getting all the Kamidogu, but is beaten twice. At the end, the archangel reveals to Shujinko as the true champion of the elder gods.

He tries to warn him of Onaga and begs him to give him the Kamidogu so that he'd be the one to give them to the Elder gods, but Shujinko refuses. Forced to fight him with no alternative: "Then I won't let you complete your "false" task... while I live!".

With the archangel's defeat, Onaga finally shows himself and reveals his lies. Shujinko was about to be destroyed until the champion tries to give him a chance to return to Earthrealm. But the archangel wasn't able to defeat him and so he and Shujinko decide to work together and stop Onaga.

 

[Commander]

That's unlikely since Argus died a really long time before Mk1, even before Shao Kahn's invasion of Edenia in fact. Also I doubt Rain knows of his ancestry as of yet, even if he does I see him fill in a more of a traitor role along with Tanya than anything else.

Being a traitor to Edenia would be a good reason for him being masked, and to evade people that may want to kill him.