Your wishlist of Characters from MK4-MKA, prototypes, glitched and new for MK10

[Flying Jinko]

The thing with those characters I listed is that as long as I could remember people have been saying that they will get more spotlight this is their time to shine. ESPECIALLY with MK9. Before MK9 everyone was saying NRS is going to give attention to characters who haven't had it before. Reptile will finally get a story. Did that happen? No. So while you're right it could possibly happen in MKX I highly doubt it will. Those characters have been suffering storywise for years and will most likely continue to suffer.

Every story requires some lackeys or grunts, and those characters filled those roles in MK9, especially when the focus of the storymode was on the good characters. It's not really the character's lack of potential or NRS disinterest in them but the design of the storymode that got them left out in the development area. With majority of the heroes dead, more time can be decoted to these characters for Mk10.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I don't really see the point you're trying to make with the Mileena bit, I was simply pointing out that he didn't actually become more important in the story of MK9

About the other part, well, you have to remember that their stories were the same as before because we got sent back in time, now that things have changed and we're in an alternate timeline, it's anyone's guess as to what they'll be like this time around. After all, they're still alive, aren't they? Yet characters like Shao Kahn are dead and Shinnok is about to make his claim on Outworld. So Subz, Araknyd that could be a possible foreshadowing of what kind of role characters like Reptile will have in MK10's story and beyond

 

[Flying Jinko]

Well, you can think what you want on that, but I tend to think it's pretty accurate actually. All of the heroes are in the top 10 and I think they are definitely the favorite characters and the favorite bad guy played is Noob Saibot which I totally expected as well because he's the old Sub-Zero.

It's not about what Im thinking, I stated how a fair and accurate poll should be like to judge a character's popularity, which isn't so in the poll you have given. Does the poll represent the most played characters online in MK9 fairly? Probably so. But does it determine a character's popularity throughout a two decade long series? Not in the slightest

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

I ain't gonna see Kuai Liang Sub-Zero go bye-bye! I hate Bi-Han Sub-Zero and I'm glad for him to be Noob Saibot.

 

[Subz 711]

I don't really see the point you're trying to make with the Mileena bit, I was simply pointing out that he didn't actually become more important in the story of MK9

About the other part, well, you have to remember that their stories were the same as before because we got sent back in time, now that things have changed and we're in an alternate timeline, it's anyone's guess as to what they'll be like this time around. After all, they're still alive, aren't they? Yet characters like Shao Kahn are dead and Shinnok is about to make his claim on Outworld. So Subz, Araknyd that could be a possible foreshadowing of what kind of role characters like Reptile will have in MK10's story and beyond

Who knows maybe ya'll are right. However, I'm going to stick with my opinion and say that they won't. Grunt is still in their future. Li Mei, Bo Rai Cho, Ashrah, Fujin, Kai, Kenshi, and Sareena will all play their part as new good guys.

The only reason I bring back Sub-Zero, Jade, Smoke, and Liu Kang are

1. MK has to have Sub-Zero. This is just something I genuinely believe whether others do or not. If Scorpion is there then Sub-Zero deserves his spot too. Sareena, however, needs her place in the story and a way to play into things. I think her helping out Sub-Zero and reviving him allowing him to warn Raiden and the others of the coming invasion would be a perfect way to play her into the storyline and bring Sub-Zero back. She would confuse Kuai Liang with Bi Han and proclaim to help him as he helped her in the past.

2. Jade's ending just allows for it. Perhaps she is the new Shujinko (Don't kill me Shujinko fans) and as a result is brought back to life by the one being. Who knows. Either way her ending allows her an out for death and allows her to come back.

3. Smoke is a demon and as a demon he could possibly break free of Quan's grip. We don't know, but I think it allows him to play into things quite nicely. So bringing him back is a neccessity.

4.Liu Kang becoming Shinnok's greatest warrior and ally just allows for a great story with Raiden. Raiden has to witness as his greatest fighter brings down the forces of light, and even possibly Raiden himself. It just makes for a good story.

The rest of the heroes can be used in story, but not for anything else.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Agreed 100%.
If NRS was THAT serious about going with Cyber Sub-Zero, wouldn't they have kept him alive?
Why kill off a character that you are SERIOUS about developing for the next game or next generation?
Why bother with him in the first place?

Because he most likely won't stay dead? Death isn't the end-all, be-all solution to a character's story in MK; he can easily be resurrected, as a matter of fact, he has been resurrected

They probably killed him to give him and the others a lesser role and make way for the new Forces of Light. MK doesn't revolve about Sub-Zero, they have to develop other characters, as well. Wait to see what happens after the spell Quan Chi has over his soul gets broken to really determine how "serious" NRS is when it comes to developing Cyber Sub-Zero

 

[Commander]

1. MK has to have Sub-Zero. This is just something I genuinely believe whether others do or not. If Scorpion is there then Sub-Zero deserves his spot too. Sareena, however, needs her place in the story and a way to play into things. I think her helping out Sub-Zero and reviving him allowing him to warn Raiden and the others of the coming invasion would be a perfect way to play her into the storyline and bring Sub-Zero back.

Agreed.

Because he most likely won't stay dead? Death isn't the end-all, be-all solution to a character's story in MK; he can easily be resurrected, as a matter of fact, he has been resurrected

They probably killed him to give him and the others a lesser role and make way for the new Forces of Light. MK doesn't revolve about Sub-Zero, they have to develop other characters, as well. Wait to see what happens after the spell Quan Chi has over his soul gets broken to really determine how "serious" NRS is when it comes to developing Cyber Sub-Zero

That's EXACTLY my point though.
By NRS standards death has always meant "We aren't planning on using this character for the next game."
Why kill him off in the first place if they plan to involve him (as minor as that role may be) in the next game?
Why does death have to be the answer for that character?
If he stays in his cyborg form, can be a cyborg that helps Raiden get intel while staying away from the spotlight.

He didn't have to die to begin with.
Him dying made his cyber transformation that much more pointless.

NRS: "Hey guys, here's the new freezer.... uh, I mean.... Sub-Zero 2.0."
"Unfortunately, though, he'll die 2 chapters later."

 

[Metal Overlord]

That's EXACTLY my point though.
By NRS standards death has always meant "We aren't planning on using this character for the next game."
Why kill him off in the first place if they plan to involve him (as minor as that role may be) in the next game?
Why does death have to be the answer for that character?
If he stays in his cyborg form, can be a cyborg that helps Raiden get intel while staying away from the spotlight.

Technically death isn't the real answer for Sub-Zero and the rest of those characters, they just needed to kill them to resolve the story in the way they did and also to have Quan Chi control their souls. There's a reason why NRS chose them to be killed and spellbound by Quan Chi, we just don't know it yet obviously. Like you said, they could have kept him alive but they chose not to, all for a specific purpose that we won't know until MK10 drops.

As for your second question, I think you should take into consideration that they most likely won't have an active role in the story, and that they will only be there to be broken from their spells if anything significant does happen involving them. They're in the story but they aren't actually a part of it, which is why NRS can bring them back in the next game despite them being dead. After all, that's pretty much what happened in Deception when the Deadly Alliance killed all of the heroes then, they were only involved in the story because Onaga resurrected them to be his slaves and Liu Kang and Ermac set out to revive them.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Li Mei, Bo Rai Cho, Ashrah, Fujin, Kai, Kenshi, and Sareena

These characters are suited for the next game. Along with new ones. Hotaru & Havik should be added also.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Li Mei, Bo Rai Cho, Ashrah, Fujin, Kai, Kenshi, and Sareena

These characters are suited for the next game. Along with new ones. Reiko, Tanya, Skarlet, Tremor, Hotaru & Havik should be added also.

 

[Commander]

Technically death isn't the real answer for Sub-Zero and the rest of those characters, they just needed to kill them to resolve the story in the way they did and also to have Quan Chi control their souls. There's a reason why NRS chose them to be killed and spellbound by Quan Chi, we just don't know it yet obviously. Like you said, they could have kept him alive but they chose not to, all for a specific purpose that we won't know until MK10 drops.

As for your second question, I think you should take into consideration that they most likely won't have an active role in the story, and that they will only be there to be broken from their spells if anything significant does happen involving them. They're in the story but they aren't actually a part of it, which is why NRS can bring them back in the next game despite them being dead. After all, that's pretty much what happened in Deception when the Deadly Alliance killed all of the heroes then, they were only involved in the story because Onaga resurrected them to be his slaves and Liu Kang and Ermac set out to revive them.

That's the conundrum, though, because then they end up making the same MKA thru MK:A mistakes that they made in the first place, if they start retconning everything that they did in the past, just like they did before.

 

[AMES32]

It's not about what Im thinking, I stated how a fair and accurate poll should be like to judge a character's popularity, which isn't so in the poll you have given. Does the poll represent the most played characters online in MK9 fairly? Probably so. But does it determine a character's popularity throughout a two decade long series? Not in the slightest

With the obvious exception, sub zero, If it proves anything it's what characters are easiest to win with online.

 

[AMES32]

I think her helping out Sub-Zero and reviving him
She would confuse Kuai Liang with Bi Han and proclaim to help him as he helped her in the past.

Dude, That wouldn't work, For one Kuai liang Is Cyber Sub zero now, you can't just go "Poof" he's human again. Even if they did try to rehumanise him, he never be like he was. Look at Cyrax he took steps to become a human again and throughout 3 or 4 games he was only able to regain his face. Even if it was his Soul it is still going to be Cyber Sub zero.

Besides BI Han should take his Cowl back, It would be a new way to expand the old character, Maybe he already knows of his cryomancer blood, he may know of his family, and through the soulnado he's gained knowledge of how to take the lin kuei back from Sektor.

 

[Subz 711]

Dude, That wouldn't work, For one Kuai liang Is Cyber Sub zero now, you can't just go "Poof" he's human again. Even if they did try to rehumanise him, he never be like he was. Look at Cyrax he took steps to become a human again and throughout 3 or 4 games he was only able to regain his face. Even if it was his Soul it is still going to be Cyber Sub zero.

Besides BI Han should take his Cowl back, It would be a new way to expand the old character, Maybe he already knows of his cryomancer blood, he may know of his family, and through the soulnado he's gained knowledge of how to take the lin kuei back.

Except for the fact that Sub-Zero is ya know dead. He's a soul at this point. Like I've also said there's the option of Quan's inner sanctum as well. Sareena could sneak Sub-Zero to Quan's inner sanctum which heals all wounds and bam easy as that he's regular old sub-zero again. Why in the world people want to make it out for Bi-Han to come back easier is beyond me. Bi-Han is Noob Saibot. He should not be Sub-Zero again. I do not want Sub-Zero, Frost, and Cyber Sub-Zero in the ing game. Why? What is the sense in that? Especially when you know one of them is going to be getting shafted. When you have a human Sub-Zero there becomes no need for the cyber one anymore and Kuai Liang is a character with a fanbase ya know. Just because you think it's apparently easy for Bi-Han to just stop being Noob Saibot doesn't mean he should be Sub-Zero again.

Another problem with your theory is, Kuai LIang is stil Sub-Zero. Cyber, Zombie, whatever he is, at the time he is still sub-zero. It may say Cyber Sub-Zero, but notice the announcer calls him SUB-ZERO. They also didn't give Bi-han a chapter as Sub-Zero, and he had few lines. Kuai Liang got not 1 but 2 as Sub-Zero.

If you are going to throw in this loophole for Bi-Han to just stop being Noob Saibot, then you have to throw in the loophole that it's just as easy for Kuai Liang to become a human again. Especially if he's a dead soul. The way I said with Sareena leading him to Quan's inner sanctum actually makes more sense, and then helping him from the netherrealm to warn Raiden of the coming invasion would bring reason for both he and Sareena in MKX. Also people who don't think that Noob Saibot would instantly become a Baraka or Sheeva by being removed from Bi-Han just don't want to see it in my opinion. Noob Saibot's popularity as a character would drop like flies. Not knocking Baraka or Sheeva. They're fine playable characters, but they have no story as already discussed and Noob Saibot would become just like them. He may chase after Bi-han for like a game, but after that his story relevance would fade as would Kuai Liang's. Bi-Han staying Noob Saibot benefits both Noob Saibot and Kuai Liang.

Also

With the obvious exception, sub zero, If it proves anything it's what characters are easiest to win with online.

I really don't understand how anyone thinks the characters that are in those lists are not in the top 10 favorite characters. I have always, always seen them mentioned more than Reptile, Baraka, or Kabal.

And funny how you were taking that little shot like of course I would say Sub-Zero is an exception. The ONLY reason I said that I'm surprised he isn't number 3 on X-box is because he is number 3 on PS3 and I have an X-box and I see Sub-Zero's way more than Liu Kang. So you're little dig at me is a little unwarranted.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

Being a cyborg is just too much!

I hope that Sonya can work on making that machine that'll restore the cyborgs back to humans. If Sareena does bring back Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) back to the living, Sonya can work on the first test on Sub-Zero to see if it'll completely work.

What about scars on Sub-Zero? On his eye and especially those through automation? Will they be shown?

 

[AMES32]

I didn't take anyshot's? I use Sub zero and he's not easy to use.

Here's what we have to go on.

Scorpion, got kicked into a soulnado and was made The Champion of the Elder Gods and promised a revived clan.

Bi Han was kicked into a soulnado too. Why shouldn't we expect something like that to happen again for Bi Han? He could be absolved of his imperfections, revived and separated from saibot.

And there's one huge flaw in your Idea. Kuai Liang being a Robot isn't a wound that can be healed. His soul would be revived from the point of death and when CSZ died he was a Robot, the reason it might have worked for Bi Han and Scorpion is because they were both human when they died.

Not to mention that just sounds like a huge cop-out and kind of weak. lmo, They essentially gave CSZ the old Cyrax story. He was restored by Jax, I'm thinking they'll make Kuai liang human again but not anytime in the next game. I can see you are opposed to changing Sub Zero back but you've gotta realise this Timeline was setup for change. That was established way before MK9 came out.

The anouncer also says Cyrax and Sektor for their Human alts. It means nothing.

Not true. Saibot could take controll of the Cahosrealm and bring "Hell" to the realm and have Havik as his second in command.

You say I'm trying to find an easy out for Bi Han to be Sub again, but, you have tried to stop any change that would result in Kuai liang not being subzero anymore. Kuai liang isn't the one with the fanbase, Subzero as a character is the one with the fan base. It used to be just die hard long time fans that knew two different people played subzero. Plus I'm just taking what has already happend and changing around characters and the outcome possibilities. Much like MK9 did. I'm not making up completely new stuff that give's me the results I want. And dude if you wanna get technical 3 different Sub Zero's where in mk9 Bi Han, Kuai Liang, and Cyber Sub Zero. You want major change but refuse any kind of Change to your favorite Character? you have to give somewhere.

 

[Subz 711]

I didn't take anyshot's? I use Sub zero and he's not easy to use.

Here's what we have to go on.

Scorpion, got kicked into a soulnado and was made The Champion of the Elder Gods and promised a revived clan.

Bi Han was kicked into a soulnado too. Why shouldn't we expect something like that to happen again for Bi Han? He could be absolved of his imperfections, revived and separated from saibot.

And there's one huge flaw in your Idea. Kuai Liang being a Robot isn't a wound that can be healed. His soul would be revived from the point of death and when CSZ died he was a Robot, the reason it might have worked for Bi Han and Scorpion is because they were both human when they died.

Not to mention that just sounds like a huge cop-out and kind of weak. lmo, They essentially gave CSZ the old Cyrax story. He was restored by Jax, I'm thinking they'll make Kuai liang human again but not anytime in the next game. I can see you are opposed to changing Sub Zero back but you've gotta realise this Timeline was setup for change. That was established way before MK9 came out.

The anouncer also says Cyrax and Sektor for their Human alts. It means nothing.

Not true. Saibot could take controll of the Cahosrealm and bring "Hell" to the realm and have Havik as his second in command.

You say I'm trying to find an easy out for Bi Han to be Sub again, but, you have tried to stop any change that would result in Kuai liang not being subzero anymore. Kuai liang isn't the one with the fanbase, Subzero as a character is the one with the fan base. It used to be just die hard long time fans that knew two different people played subzero. Plus I'm just taking what has already happend and changing around characters and the outcome possibilities. Much like MK9 did. I'm not making up completely new stuff that give's me the results I want. And dude if you wanna get technical 3 different Sub Zero's where in mk9 Bi Han, Kuai Liang, and Cyber Sub Zero. You want major change but refuse any kind of Change to your favorite Character? you have to give somewhere.

Okay, You say I'm not accepting of change. I do hate Cyber Subz with a passion, with a friggin hardcore passion. However, I have accepted the fact that he may be Cyber for a while.

However, as a Kuai Liang, excuse me, Sub-Zero fan, because that is who he is. There shouldn't be debate anymore. Anyway If I am his huge fan and am willing to look over this f'ng GIGANTIC change of him being a FRIGGIN CYBORG then I would expect him to at least get to keep the Sub-Zero name. Kuai Liang fans are already getting the short end of the stick here.

And No, I would not expect the same thing for Bi-Han getting somehow saved by the elder gods. I have thrown out time and again why that would not happen. I don't think you understand that when you do something like kill someone in the past it makes them your enemy. Like Bi-Han killed gods, they aren't going to just be super forgiving and if they are it is idiotic and way more of a plothole than Kuai Liang becoming human again. Bi-Han in all rights is the god's enemy.

So say the God's don't save him, The soulnado is supposed to rip people apart as well. So, if both Scorpion and Bi-Han get saved from the soulnado I'm going to start to think that maybe the soulnado isn't anything like they say it is. That worked for one character and that's Scorpion. If they start to do that for others then you might as well just throw all of the dead heroes into the soulnado too because it will cleanse them of their impurities and make them human again as well.

The only way that Noob Saibot should be able to make it is if someone actually looks to save him from it, and from the looks of Noob Saibot's ending Havik could be just that person. That would also be a better storyline. Havik saves Noob Saibot from the soulnado and wanting to cause chaos he teams with Noob Saibot to try and take over the netherrealm which, like I've said, would inadvertantly make them allies to Earthrealm and Outworld.

I've swallowed my sh** a lot with this new storyline. Sub-Zero biting the bullet and becoming a refrigerator was a hard thing to swallow, if he gets his name yanked from him too then I really will be done. They will single handedly have ruined my favorite character. They already screwed the pooch anyway saying he took the name from his brother when that obviously wasn't the case in the old timeline. He took it because his family passed it down and he was next in line to take it so he brought honor to that name. Something Bi-han just didn't do.

 

[AMES32]

The soulnado is supposed to rip people apart as well. So, if both Scorpion and Bi-Han get saved from the soulnado I'm going to start to think that maybe the soulnado isn't anything like they say it is. That worked for one character and that's Scorpion.

I'm not saying have scorpion be thrown in one in this timeline. What I'm saying is take what happened to Scorpion. remove him input Bi Han. So In this timeline it would still only happen to "ONE" kombatant.

You said it "The soulnado rips people apart," Bi Han from Saibot. And I'm not sure but I think the soulnado ripping Scorpion apart isn't canon, seeing as how in the story it placed him in front of the Elder Gods.

Dude even in the old timeline Kuai liang took the name from his brother. Bi Han took it from his Dad, the dad from the grandfather. He "took it," because Kuai liang wasn't Sub Zero at the same time BI Han was. He was "Tundra" that's his name.

BI han brought honor to the name within the lin kuei following his family tradition.

 

[Subz 711]

I'm not saying have scorpion be thrown in one in this timeline. What I'm saying is take what happened to Scorpion. remove him input Bi Han. So In this timeline it would still only happen to "ONE" kombatant.

You said it "The soulnado rips people apart," Bi Han from Saibot. And I'm not sure but I think the soulnado ripping Scorpion apart isn't canon, seeing as how in the story it placed him in front of the Elder Gods.

Dude even in the old timeline Kuai liang took the name from his brother. Bi Han took it from his Dad, the dad from the grandfather. He "took it," because Kuai liang wasn't Sub Zero at the same time BI Han was. He was "Tundra" that's his name.

BI han brought honor to the name within the lin kuei following his family tradition.

I know you weren't saying that Scorpion should be in the soulnado as well. I wasn't saying that either.

I got what you were saying basically Bi-han should switch spots with Scorpion this time and become the champion of the elder gods and everything will be rainbows and unicorns. My facts were The Gods should hate Bi-Han and wouldn't be willing to help them because he murdered them end of discussion. If they weren't gods they wouldn't have been resurrected and would just be dead. So I'm pretty sure they should hold a grudge against him. Noob Saibot is Bi-Han. Even if somehow the two were ripped apart Bi-han would still die because of the power of the soulnado. So would Noob Saibot. Unless someone saves them.

Also,If they keep using the whole the Soulnado saved them plot device then the soulnado will mean nothing. The soulnado is supposed to be able to rip people apart. Not some way out of death.

And Yes, Kuai Liang did take it from his brother after his death, but the reason he took it on was because someone had to carry on the Sub-Zero name. I'm so tired of hearing ignorant people say UH DUR Tundra is Kuai Liang's name. Well, yeah I wonder why that is? Huh? Could it be because that's the initial name Boon was going to give Sub-Zero? That wouldn't happen to be a coincidence would it? Sub-Zero was once going to be named Tundra and just so happened the actual Sub-Zero was once named Tundra.

Anyway, Kuai Liang took up his family's heritage after his brother's death and vowed to bring honor to the name and vowed that "he was not his brother". He knew the things Bi-Han had done, but he was different. He wanted The Sub-Zero name to be honored, something his brother just couldn't do. Just because his brother held it first does not mean that he is Sub-Zero. Why don't people get that. Being the original doesn't make you the better Sub-Zero. Guaranteed this would be the other way around if Kuai Liang had somehow been the first. But because he wasn't Sub-Zero in the first game, he's doesn't deserve it. Even though he's held the name for like 8 games now compared to Bi-Han's 1.

You know a good parallel for Kuai Liang and Bi-Han. Darryl and Merle Dixon from Walking Dead. Darryl is the younger brother good guy. While his older brother may have some good intentions sometimes, but most definitely is not good and that shows. Very good parallel's between them.

Finally, You're also still missing the point. Like you guys told me 'THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUMAN SUB-ZERO COME NEXT GAME'. All of you have basically said that, and Kuai Liang still holds the Sub-Zero name. You can't just tell everyone your name is Sub-Zero and then start saying you know I think I'll change it without looking retarded. Raiden, Sonya, and Johnny still know him as Sub-Zero as well. They have no clue he was ever Tundra. The only ones who know he was Tundra at this point are the Lin Kuei members and since they are cyborgs or dead too (Smoke) I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter to them. So there ya go. No human Sub-Zero next game. Just good ol Sub-Zero we know. Kuai Liang undead cyborg and all. We talked about alts previously. They could give him a human alt. I'm at that point. I will accept anything and everything except Bi-Han becoming Sub-Zero again because it makes no f'ng sense whatsoever especially considering there is still a Sub-Zero. This is not Spiderman. Noob Saibot and Bi-Han are not two seperate beings. They are Noob Saibot. Did you hear Noob Saibot say "Quan Chi has perfected us"? No, No you didn't. You heard Noob Saibot say "Quan Chi has perfected ME." My lord I hate getting this mad, but Bi Han being Sub-Zero again makes so little, very little sense to me.

 

[AMES32]

If they need help with shinnok and they have someone who not only know's what Quan chi is thinking but is also able and willing to help why would they turn him away?

funny they did just that, Smoke called Kuai liang "Tundra." Yeah he corrected him but it still stands. He was called Tundra first in this timeline. How does Sub Zero at one time being calle Tundra change the fact in both timelines the name was taken in honor of the one that came before?

Bi Han's Code name is "Sub Zero" he has no other code name before his death. That makes Kuai liang's real Code name "Tundra" sorry but it's true. Even if they have that correlation. That doesn't make someone one ignorant it means they pay attention to the story's detail. And if it was the other way around? It changes nothing.


If you look at it Kuai liang dishonored the name.

Bi Han - Loyal Lin Kuei Assassin
Father - Loyal Lin Kuei Assassin
Then we have Kuai liang who disobeys his orders. He may be a noble man, but hes not "honorable" within the Lin Kuel.