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How about omitting ALL of the post-Arcade era characters? Permanently! Everything post-Arcade sucked!

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sub-one said:
Frost will replace Subzero,
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F*** THAT SHIT!!!
Frost better not replace him.
NRS can easily do 2 ice characters and give Frost an MK9 Kenshi overhaul.

Hell, SZ and CSZ can even be the same character the same way that Human Cyrax was an alternate for cyber Cyrax in MK9.
SZ doesn't have to be part of the main story but he does have to be unlockable or playable.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
F*** THAT SHIT!!!
Frost better not replace him.
NRS can easily do 2 ice characters and give Frost an MK9 Kenshi overhaul.

Hell, SZ and CSZ can even be the same character the same way that Human Cyrax was an alternate for cyber Cyrax in MK9.
SZ doesn't have to be part of the main story but he does have to be unlockable or playable.
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The more comments I see of cyber sub-zero the more I think he just needs to go away permanently. Most comments are yeah hes alright, but human subz better be there when mk10 rolls around. That's exactly what I said would happen all along.

Why even keep the character when hes barely liked? He's along the lines of some of the post mk3 characters as far as being wanted so I say ditch him and find a way to get kuai liang back to himself.

Im telling ya people would miss Noob and his character, regardless of what some may say, relies on Bi-Han now. People will not miss cyber sub-zero. He wasn't asked for in the first place
 
Subz 711 said:
The more comments I see of cyber sub-zero the more I think he just needs to go away permanently. Most comments are yeah hes alright, but human subz better be there when mk10 rolls around. That's exactly what I said would happen all along.

Why even keep the character when hes barely liked? He's along the lines of some of the post mk3 characters as far as being wanted so I say ditch him and find a way to get kuai liang back to himself.

Im telling ya people would miss Noob and his character, regardless of what some may say, relies on Bi-Han now. People will not miss cyber sub-zero. He wasn't asked for in the first place
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I'm just saying to make the Cyber costume an alternate for Sub-Zero, in MK10.
Simple.

IMO, Cyber Sub-Zero felt somewhat half-assed because NRS could have easily combined Cyber Sub-Zero and Human Sub-Zero's moves into 1 character and just made the Cyber version an alternate costume in MK9, the same way they did for Cyrax and Sektor.

Saibot doesn't have to go away permanently, and I have explained countless times a theory of how Saibot and Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) can co-exist.
I know that you have your preference towards Kuai-Liang as I have mine for Bi-Han, but truth be told, as long as there is A Sub-Zero in MK10, I'll be happy.
And I mean real Sub-Zero, not Frost acting as a replacement.
Frost can be there, but Sub-Zero should be there too.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
I'm just saying to make the Cyber costume an alternate for Sub-Zero, in MK10.
Simple.

IMO, Cyber Sub-Zero felt somewhat half-assed because NRS could have easily combined Cyber Sub-Zero and Human Sub-Zero's moves into 1 character and just made the Cyber version an alternate costume in MK9, the same way they did for Cyrax and Sektor.

Saibot doesn't have to go away permanently, and I have explained countless times a theory of how Saibot and Sub-Zero (Bi-Han) can co-exist.
I know that you have your preference towards Kuai-Liang as I have mine for Bi-Han, but truth be told, as long as there is A Sub-Zero in MK10, I'll be happy.
And I mean real Sub-Zero, not Frost acting as a replacement.
Frost can be there, but Sub-Zero should be there too.
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See I still disagree with you even saying Noob and Saibot. There is absolutely no confirmation whatsoever that Noob Saibot is anyone different from Bi-han. This whole fiasco started when Noob's Armageddon ending came out. It's not even canon though. The whole Noob Saibot being Bi-Han thing was planned out years in advance. As early as Mk4. Bi-Han is Noob Saibot. The only thing giving any of this theory any credit is one random tweet from Boon which was never discussed any further.

Like I said if Noob Saibot can somehow be separated from Bi-Han then Scorpion can be separated from Hanzo Hasashi. If Noob is some kind of symbiote then why havent we heard of this process by now? Why havent we seen symbiotes being attached to other characters or even seen a lone symbiote on its own. Just because Noob Saibot is black and has similar abilities to venom does not mean he is venom. I still believe Noob Saibot and Bi-Han are one and the same.

Also whoever said there is NO sub-zero right now is wrong. Kitana didnt stop being kitana. Kung Lao didnt stop being kung Lao. Jade didnt stop being jade. You get the point. Just because Sub-Zero died doesn't mean he stopped being Sub-Zero. He is still Sub-Zero just dead and cyber. So there ya go.
 
Subz 711 said:
See I still disagree with you even saying Noob and Saibot. There is absolutely no confirmation whatsoever that Noob Saibot is anyone different from Bi-han. This whole fiasco started when Noob's Armageddon ending came out. It's not even canon though. The whole Noob Saibot being Bi-Han thing was planned out years in advance. As early as Mk4. Bi-Han is Noob Saibot. The only thing giving any of this theory any credit is one random tweet from Boon which was never discussed any further.
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There is absolutely no confirmation that Noob and Saibot AREN'T 2 different souls in 1 body.
Actually, the fact that Noob Saibot sends his wraith form out of his body may suggest this very theory of 2 souls in 1 body.
This is just mere speculation.

Subz 711 said:
Like I said if Noob Saibot can somehow be separated from Bi-Han then Scorpion can be separated from Hanzo Hasashi. If Noob is some kind of symbiote then why haven't we heard of this process by now? Why haven't we seen symbiotes being attached to other characters or even seen a lone symbiote on its own. Just because Noob Saibot is black and has similar abilities to venom does not mean he is venom. I still believe Noob Saibot and Bi-Han are one and the same.
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I never said that Noob Saibot was a symbiote, nor did I infer it or suggest it.
I merely suggested that Noob Saibot may be a combination of a NetherRealm wraith (soul) + the soul of Bi-Han, sharing 1 body.
If Ermac is made up of 1,000 souls in 1 body, then it's VERY possible that Noob Saibot could consist of 2 souls in 1 body.
Even in his victory pose, after each match in MK9, you can clearly see that Noob Saibot consists of 2 souls sharing 1 body.
Scorpion, on the other hand, can't be separated from Hanzo Hasashi because he was resurrected as his former self but with NetherRealm powers, whereas Noob Saibot SPECIFICALLY says in MK9 "Quan Chi perfected me," suggesting that Quan Chi used some type of sorcery to create Noob Saibot, possibly using the wraith and the soul of Bi-Han.

Subz 711 said:
Also whoever said there is NO sub-zero right now is wrong. Kitana didnt stop being kitana. Kung Lao didnt stop being kung Lao. Jade didnt stop being jade. You get the point. Just because Sub-Zero died doesn't mean he stopped being Sub-Zero. He is still Sub-Zero just dead and cyber. So there ya go.
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Saying there is no Sub-Zero right now is both right AND wrong.
We don't know Sub-Zero's future in MK10.
He may be in MK10 OR he may not.
He didn't stop being Sub-Zero, but the point is that (for now), he's dead.
Unless you work directly for Ed Boon or NRS, you can't automatically assume that he'll be in MK10.
For now, the hard truth is that Sub-Zero is dead until otherwise stated by NRS.

People are just speculating what may or may not happen in MK10, given the facts that we have now, which (for now) is that Sub-Zero is dead.
 
Araknyd_Commander said:
There is absolutely no confirmation that Noob and Saibot AREN'T 2 different souls in 1 body.
Actually, the fact that Noob Saibot sends his wraith form out of his body may suggest this very theory of 2 souls in 1 body.
This is just mere speculation.



I never said that Noob Saibot was a symbiote, nor did I infer it or suggest it.
I merely suggested that Noob Saibot may be a combination of a NetherRealm wraith (soul) + the soul of Bi-Han, sharing 1 body.
If Ermac is made up of 1,000 souls in 1 body, then it's VERY possible that Noob Saibot could consist of 2 souls in 1 body.
Even in his victory pose, after each match in MK9, you can clearly see that Noob Saibot consists of 2 souls sharing 1 body.
Scorpion, on the other hand, can't be separated from Hanzo Hasashi because he was resurrected as his former self but with NetherRealm powers, whereas Noob Saibot SPECIFICALLY says in MK9 "Quan Chi perfected me," suggesting that Quan Chi used some type of sorcery to create Noob Saibot, possibly using the wraith and the soul of Bi-Han.



Saying there is no Sub-Zero right now is both right AND wrong.
We don't know Sub-Zero's future in MK10.
He may be in MK10 OR he may not.
He didn't stop being Sub-Zero, but the point is that (for now), he's dead.
Unless you work directly for Ed Boon or NRS, you can't automatically assume that he'll be in MK10.
For now, the hard truth is that Sub-Zero is dead until otherwise stated by NRS.

People are just speculating what may or may not happen in MK10, given the facts that we have now, which (for now) is that Sub-Zero is dead.
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I get what you're saying. What Im saying though is that people are speculating who Sub-Zero is and thats kind of crazy because Kuai Liang didnt stop being Sub-Zero when he died. Bi-Han did because he became Noob Saibot because of the evil in his soul which was used to create him. Raiden even warns him of this in everyone's beloved mythologies. Kuai liang is STILL Sub-Zero.

You know soulnados can take people to other realms as well. Hence Scorpion being pulled from the soulnado by the elder gods. Where is Noob Saibot in his Mk9 ending? Chaosrealm. Why has nobody speculated that maybe he ends up there or maybe Havik saves him from the soulnado for some reason. He teaming with Havik to take over the netherrealm would inadvertently make Noob Saibot a good guy because he has the same common enemy as Earthrealm and Outworld.
 
I like Cyber Sub Zero, it's just hard to defend him when he canonically dies in the same game he debuts in Hsu Hao style.


He had a lot of potential.
 
I have another theory as to Noob's copy powers. Instead of 2 souls In one body, his shadow copy could in fact be his genetic structure that can both split from him and Reunite with him, a la Jenova from Final Fantasy VII.

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back said:
I posted my theory on Saibot awhile ago

http://www.trmk.org/forums/showthread.php/28460-Saibot-Theory?highlight=
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Ive always just taken it as the evil in Bi-Han's soul was what Quan used to create Noob Saibot from Bi-Han. Raiden did warn him that he had evil in his soul in mythologies. Hence why I think if Noob Saibot is ripped from Bi-Han all it will be is good Sub-Zero except this time its Bi-Han. Which is kinda dumb.

I see sooo many people crap all over Kuai Liangs story, and then in their next post will say Bi-Han could become leader of the Lin Kuei and train Frost, and find the cryo-armor. Really??? None of you have done it thank god, but it has happened and thats being hypocritical. Its like they want Bi-Han simply because hes the original. Which has been my theory for a good while anyway.

Regardless you guys are never going to get the Bi Han you want ever again. You basically want a neutral Sub-Zero and that would be a huge plot hole if the soulnado somehow rips Noob Saibot from Bi-Han because the soulnado would essentially be purifying Bi-Han of any evil at all. Which would basically make him Kuai Liang who you all seem to not want.

Also has anyone thought of this. Say Bi-Han does get saved by Havik and they attack the netherrealm. Didn't Bi-Han defeat Shinnok? (Idk I didnt finish mythologies). If he did, then why cant he do it again, but this time as Noob Saibot?
 
here ya go http://youtu.be/NpuHCn_zFHo

clearly states that noob is infact bi-han. saibot is his "shadow" so essentially it is "the darker part of Bi-han". i also remember boon stating this right around the time his character vignette debuted back in 11'

My thought? Noob and Siabot become separated subzero is somehow able to regain his human form (which was burned to ashes by Scorpion?)

oooooorrr..... they "jump start" cyber-Sub because he's a friggin robot after all, and he works along side jax and sonya taking cyrax's place (I would hate to see this happen)

My favorite idea, because it holds more potential for a plot twist and because it would be a much needed change of pace: Frost is the sub-zero in the next MK. the ice climber bros. can be DLC for all i care. I really just want to see Havik and I hope his moves are still grotesque, but not overly goofy like in the other MKs
 
Ed Boon is not the primary story writer, nor has he ever been, so how can anything he says about the story be recognized as canon?

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Tarkatan Trash said:
Ed Boon is not the primary story writer, nor has he ever been, so how can anything he says about the story be recognized as canon?

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Ummm I don't know he created mortal kombat along with John Tobias. ummm I think he might have worked closely with the the team seeing as how they are altering his his life's work and intellectual property.

He "works" a NRS and was influential during the entire reboot process, he might just know a little more than we do. Oh wait, he does!!

Seriously dude. Do you just type whatever and hope for the best, or are these real questions? I followed MK almost everyday since MKA was released right up until it (MK9) was released on 4/19/2011. hell I was at the midnight release and came in third at their promotional tourney (not a real tourney, it was fun though lol) I pride myself in knowing MK history pretty good. I won't win any contests, but what I speak is fact and just to make sure it is I double or triple check it.
 
MK1 - MK4 = John Tobias
Since MKDA = John Vogel

All Ed Boon did was write the code, sign the paychecks, and advertised the game to people like you and me. Boon's word on the story carries significantly less weight than the word of Tobias and/or Vogel. How else to explain Boon referring to Jade as an "evil Kitana" when we all know that Jade is good and the pink-clad half Tarkatan slut is the REAL "evil Kitana"?

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Ummm Jade was the evil kitana in MK2. When he made that statement he was referring to the fact that her character was now more of an individual rather than a pallet swap. damn dude.

And yeah, Boon would still know seeing as he is the spokesman for MK/ NRS and also works there. your objection is overruled.

John Tobias was responsible for art direction primarily But he also helped with story. Boon was responsible for story and programming.
 
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sub-one said:
Ummm Jade was the evil kitana in MK2. Yeah Boon would still know seeing as he is the spokes person for MK and works there. I'm right and I know it. Just drop it bud.
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Ed Boon doesn't write the story. Vogel does. Boon's word is far less canon than Vogel's. Are you suggesting that Vogel's work is a work made for hire?

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