Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel Death's Cold Embrace!"

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I didnt add this combos you put
32% B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Slide
34% B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Power Slide

Because they do the same damage than this ones i posted and they are easier
32% B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Slide
34% B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Power Slide

actually this one is 35% not 32%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Slide

and this one does 37% and not 34%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - EXSlide

and with Xray its 53%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Xray

(;

 

[Fox17]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

actually this one is 35% not 32%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Slide

and this one does 37% and not 34%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - EXSlide

and with Xray its 53%

B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Xray

(;

They do 35, 37 and 53 because you add jump punch at the begging you can do that with the combos i posted and does 35, 37 and 53 too and they are a lot easiert to perform, and more lag-friendly lol

I performed them many times in training mode to compare and i can swear yours and mine do the same damage.

B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Slide
B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Power Slide
B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - X-ray

EDIT: the jump punch in the middle is neutral or normal? anyway is still the same.

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

They do 35, 37 and 53 because you add jump punch at the begging you can do that with the combos i posted and does 35, 37 and 53 too and they are a lot easiert to perform, and more lag-friendly lol

I performed them many times in training mode to compare and i can swear yours and mine do the same damage.

B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Slide
B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Power Slide
B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - X-ray

EDIT: the jump punch in the middle is neutral or normal? anyway is still the same.

no they are without jp starter. and JP,214xxBla is a normal jp (f+u+1/2). NJP (U+1/2). Trust me, these combos are my BnB. I know them by heart

compare the dmg to those I've posted before. With Jp starter its even more

 

[Fox17]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

no they are without jp starter. and JP,214xxBla is a normal jp (f+u+1/2). NJP (U+1/2). Trust me, these combos are my BnB. I know them by heart

compare the dmg to those I've posted before. With Jp starter its even more

Yh i believe you, but I perform them and they still do the same damage.
Is the jump punch a neutral or normal forward jump?

EDIT: What is BnB? I googled and everywhere says "Bed and Breakfast" but i think that not it lol

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

as said above the JP is a normal (Forward+UP+AnyPunch)

BnB = Bread and Butter = My Basic/Mostused/Reliable Combos

edit

thats why u have to step back:

b+12xxfreeze, stepback, JP,214xx(EX)Slide/Xray

gn8

 

[Fox17]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

as said above the JP is a normal (Forward+UP+AnyPunch)

BnB = Breat and Butter = My Basic/Mostused/Reliable Combos

edit

thats why u have to step back:

b+12xxfreeze, stepback, JP,214xx(EX)Slide/Xray

gn8

Oh thats totally different. I was doing neutral, if you do neutral JP you will see that they do the same damage lol, now i see it clear ill try it out tomorrow. But im adding them now, so its my combo with a jump punch, ill add both, thanks man.

EDIT: Added them.

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Oh thats totally different. I was doing neutral, if you do neutral JP you will see that they do the same damage lol, now i see it clear ill try it out tomorrow. But im adding them now, so its my combo with a jump punch, ill add both, thanks man.

EDIT: Added them.

Finally u got it! (;

 

[mrb1973]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

As far as the jump punch goes mid combo its actually a little easier to just cross it up instead of steping back its advantages are it shortens your timing window a little and can also simply mess with your opponents head

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

As far as the jump punch goes mid combo its actually a little easier to just cross it up instead of steping back its advantages are it shortens your timing window a little and can also simply mess with your opponents head

does crossing up mean, to jump over his head and attack from the other side? well, i use this to get the opponent in the corner if hes trying to push me into it. So its situational.. depending on position game!

 

[Asodimazze]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

How should Sub-Zero be used to win against a really good Kung Lao?

*You should add a matchup section in the first post

 

[mrb1973]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Yes crossing up is going over their head and since a lot of moves involve inputing left or right directions it can offten cause confusion by your opponent in those split seconds that can mean the difference between a win and a loss

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Yes crossing up is going over their head and since a lot of moves involve inputing left or right directions it can offten cause confusion by your opponent in those split seconds that can mean the difference between a win and a loss

sure, but jumping on to your waiting enemy is very risky. A good placed AntiAir gets u juggled or thrown back or what ever. if hes frozen u can jump in safe, and than it depends on position gaming and getting him into the nearest corner.

Edit:

How should Sub-Zero be used to win against a really good Kung Lao?

*You should add a matchup section in the first post

Kung Lao is really hard, his Spin is damn fast and his divekick gets him out of punish situation kinda easy. So basically try to punish him.

Teleport - Punish him instantly with 22xxfreeze and go on. Or Block and get into neutral-game. 22, 224, etc

EXTeleport - Hard to react to because it has armor. But same as normal, just let his first appearance wiff.

Projectiles - Go for Freeze exchange, Blockdash or Jump in Safe Situations and Combo him.

DiveKick - Block and Punish him.

Spin - Block it and try to Punish him. His Spin is very fast and its recovery time is also fast. So theres just a short moment for punishing.

If u get Comboed break him, especially in the Corner. Otherwise u will eat alot of damage.

 

[skmacneil]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I think it would be a good tip if you put that 22 can be used as an anti-air against an jumping enemy

 

[ShukenshaKawazu]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

my sub-zero uses alot of ice clones to control space but today I faced a cyrax online and he was teleporting all over the screen. It might have been lag issues but I could not punish the teleport at all, any tips in case I run into the same senario?

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

my sub-zero uses alot of ice clones to control space but today I faced a cyrax online and he was teleporting all over the screen. It might have been lag issues but I could not punish the teleport at all, any tips in case I run into the same senario?

well, thx to delay u have to input the 22xxfreeze before hes appearing beside u. I guess ..havent conquered a cyrax/cyberSub user online.

and subs clones are really important in any matchup.

 

[Fox17]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Ill try to add matchups later. Thx for the info rinc-e
Im pretty good with SZ but I only play him offline in ladder or 2P versus because its not a good character for the actual laggy online, SZ's slow speed + lag + input delay + smoke/scorpion/noob spammers, makes almost impossible to get good matches with him.

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Ill try to add matchups later. Thx for the info rinc-e
Im pretty good with SZ but I only play him offline in ladder or 2P versus because its not a good character for the actual laggy online, SZ's slow speed + lag + input delay + smoke/scorpion/noob spammers, makes almost impossible to get good matches with him.

the secret is blockdash and PUNISH! thats all u need for online.. sure the delay sucks bad ass ..but u gotta remember, the enemy is experiencing that too.

Sure there are moments like "WTF?! WHY DID THAT SHIT NOT BLOCK?!" and ur feeling kinda raped ..but remember, its just a game

Also playing Sub online isnt easy. but not impossible. I've played some good zoners today. and my fear matchups so far are a good Ermac, Sheeva (reacting to her teleport is hard with 2 sec delay, with 0.5 its "ok") and Kung Lao/Raiden! Raidens teleport is fast and good for punishing careless thrown icebaals AND clones ..this feels even worth than KL sometimes ..

But anyway hes my most used char (online/offline) so far.

edit: We are allowed to swear, no **** anymore?? ^^

 

[Asodimazze]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

the secret is blockdash and PUNISH! thats all u need for online.. sure the delay sucks bad ass ..but u gotta remember, the enemy is experiencing that too.

Sure there are moments like "WTF?! WHY DID THAT SHIT NOT BLOCK?!" and ur feeling kinda raped ..but remember, its just a game

Also playing Sub online isnt easy. but not impossible. I've played some good zoners today. and my fear matchups so far are a good Ermac, Sheeva (reacting to her teleport is hard with 2 sec delay, with 0.5 its "ok") and Kung Lao/Raiden! Raidens teleport is fast and good for punishing careless thrown icebaals AND clones ..this feels even worth than KL sometimes ..

But anyway hes my most used char (online/offline) so far.

edit: We are allowed to swear, no **** anymore?? ^^

Well, actually I did 150 matches online and in 90 I was using Sub-Zero (I lost just 6-7 times with him).
Play defensively and the match will be yours

 

[rinc-e]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Well, actually I did 150 matches online and in 90 I was using Sub-Zero (I lost just 6-7 times with him).
Play defensively and the match will be yours

I don't know how many matches I actually did but I didnt lose that much either ..but the lag can be really annoying. (dropping combos/punishes etc) I've played mostly king of the hill. Its fun. But the delay is unpredictable ..first match = 0,5sec - second match = 2sec - third match = 0,2sec - fourth match = 5sec (Thats really hard, u feel like watching a comicstrip)

 

[Asodimazze]

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I don't know how many matches I actually did but I didnt lose that much either ..but the lag can be really annoying. (dropping combos/punishes etc) I've played mostly king of the hill. Its fun. But the delay is unpredictable ..first match = 0,5sec - second match = 2sec - third match = 0,2sec - fourth match = 5sec (Thats really hard, u feel like watching a comicstrip)

I didn't experience much lag online yet...maybe I'm just lucky