Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel Death's Cold Embrace!"

Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

well imo a combo guide should feature the strongest damage output ..so its obvious to start with a jp ..also why dont u want to do this:

any starter-freeze -> step back jp,214xxslide/xray ? more damage and its guaranteed
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I saw the combos you posted and some I already posted before and the rest are very similar except that you add jump punch at the begging of all. The onlt one is this but i tried lots of times and doesnt work, the combo breaks when you do the ground freeze

JP, b+12xxfreeze, NeutralJP, EXGroundFreeze, dash, (repeat if possible - depending on Meter) , NJP, dash b+12,212xxSlide

Also, i dont add wall combos i think its kinda cheating. but thanx for the info.

You seems to know a lot, can you find a use for the ice puddle (the normal no enhanced) because i cannot and i play with SZ since demo day 1.

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any starter-freeze -> step back jp,214xxslide/xray

this one is 47%, i already posted one of 47% and its very similar. and the easiest is the one that does 50% so i think its enough xray combos unless you know one with a higher damage.
 
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Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

..its 5:30 in the morning here. I'm going to make a list starting tomorrow with all imo somehow usefull combos, setups, JP-starter and without. Will take some time.. (student)

and ..why are corner combos unfair? if u don't abuse the corner ..ur enemy will do for sure! Also thats how the game is, "try to not get trapped"

About this combo:

JP, b+12xxfreeze, NeutralJP, EXGroundFreeze, dash, (repeat if possible - depending on Meter) , NJP, dash b+12,212xxSlide

Why do u think ur able to repeat the "Dash NJP EXGroundFreeze"? Because its a reset combo. (Remember how Sub isn't able to freeze twice in a combo?) So it's supposed to not count as 1 whole XXHits combo.

No, I don'T have any real use for the GroundFreeze except the combos I've allrdy posted. Also EXGroundFreeze as a trap can be nice too.

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Also u didn't get what i mean. any starter-freeze -> step back jp,214xxslide/xray is doing more dmg than any starter-freeze -> 214xxslide/xray ..the jp is easy and connects.

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UPDATE

JP, b+12xxfreeze, NeutralJP, EXGroundFreeze, dash, etc. can be counter-wakeup-attacked ..thats the only way to get out of it. Same for Cornercombos involving the NJP to EXG.F.
 
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Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

i can do now every combo with sub,i mastered him pretty well
 
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i can do now every combo with sub,i mastered him pretty well

Yh me too, i can now do the ice pick and frost bitten whole como (47%) with the enemy in the air like 90% of the times.

Thx rinc-e for the info ill check it out. :)
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I created a new section called Double Combos, check it out so far i added this ones:

The best is that they make great damage and i found a great use for ice puddle.

Double Combos
37% Combo 9 Hits: [B+1,2 - Ice Ball - NJP]-[Ground Freeze - 2,14 - Slide]
40% Combo 10 Hits: [B+1,2 - Ice Ball - NJP]-[Ground Freeze - 2,14 - Power Slide]
46% Combo 10 Hits: [2,1,2 - Ice Ball - Dash - JK]-[Ice Puddle - 2,1,4 - Slide]
48% Combo 11 Hits [2,1,2 - Ice Ball - Dash - JK]-[Ice Puddle - 2,1,4 - Power Slide]
66% Combo 12 Hits: [2,1,2 - Ice Ball - Dash - JK]-[Ice Puddle - 2,1,4 - X-ray]

The first is credited to rinc-e, the rest I "invented" myself. Thanx people hope it helps.
 
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Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"


similar version can be done midscreen for 53% dmg .

Midscreen vers : forward jump punch,b+1,2,Ice Ball,f,neutral jump punch,dash,b+1,2,2,1,4,X-ray
 
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Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Best midscreen none reset xray combo is uf 1or 2 b,1,2,iceball,uf,2,1,4,xray 11hit 55% you can either step back or cross over withe the second uf 1 or 2 and in the corner uf 1 or 2,b1,2,iceball,u1 or2,u1 or2,step back,b1,2,2,1,4,xray is 14hit 59% also you can follow his 2,2,4 with a slide or xray but midscreen the timing is very strict. And after a neutral punch a dash and 2,1 ex ground freeze is only wake up escapeable and easier to time then just off the neutral punch just gotta be sure 2,1 freezes them fairly high
 
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Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Best midscreen none reset xray combo is uf 1or 2 b,1,2,iceball,uf,2,1,4,xray 11hit 55% you can either step back or cross over withe the second uf 1 or 2 and in the corner uf 1 or 2,b1,2,iceball,u1 or2,u1 or2,step back,b1,2,2,1,4,xray is 14hit 59% also you can follow his 2,2,4 with a slide or xray but midscreen the timing is very strict. And after a neutral punch a dash and 2,1 ex ground freeze is only wake up escapeable and easier to time then just off the neutral punch just gotta be sure 2,1 freezes them fairly high

I don't fully understand what ur saying about the reset combos. But I've tried to tell him that a starter+freeze, jp,214xxslide/xray is doing more dmg than just the 214, but he didn't add it, because its not usefull in his opinion O.o

also he doesnt add corner combos ..
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

I don't fully understand what ur saying about the reset combos. But I've tried to tell him that a starter+freeze, jp,214xxslide/xray is doing more dmg than just the 214, but he didn't add it, because its not usefull in his opinion O.o

also he doesnt add corner combos ..

I added this combo you put a time ago: starter+freeze, jp,214xxslide/xray
well a variation: that is start+freeze, jp,b+1,3, 2,1,2xxxslide/xray

Well, corner combos are so requested ill ad at least 2 or 3. And ill add your variation. Thanx.
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Can a mod add the ! at the end of the quote in the title please?

Actually is--------> Sub-Zero Thread "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"
I want it to be:---> Sub-Zero Thread "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death!"

Thanx.
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

Well any combo with a ground freeze mid combo resets the counter that's all I was referring to and I'd post some ice clone combos but they are tuff to pull off in a real match and bounce punches are very easy after a freeze despite my 55% combo not using one I use them all the time can mean the differance between a win and a loss in a close fight IMO
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

How the hell do you jump kick ice puddle? That's not humanly possible.
 
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Its possible with a very small dash after the jump kick but honestly its not worth the trouble until nrs makes ground freezes a little faster funny thing is Jk ground freeze is my bnb in mk2 and umk3 unfortunately in this game the jump kick combo options are very limited compaired to the Classics
 
Re: Sub-Zero Thread - "Feel the Cold Embrace of Death"

How the hell do you jump kick ice puddle? That's not humanly possible.

You have to freeze him in the air then dash then jump kick (if you are doing right you should kick him in his frozen head) then ice puddle, is really easy and effective. Ice puddle has a cool use i found it on this.


The thing is that after jump kick the combo resets and starts a new combo with the ice puddle, thats why i called them double combos, they are 2 combos mashed into a bigger one [but counted as 2] that if you do them right they will make several damage and the enemy could not react.
 
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I don't fully understand what ur saying about the reset combos. But I've tried to tell him that a starter+freeze, jp,214xxslide/xray is doing more dmg than just the 214, but he didn't add it, because its not usefull in his opinion O.o

also he doesnt add corner combos ..

I didnt add this combos you put
32% B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Slide
34% B+1,2 - Ice ball - Jump Punch - 2,1,4 - Power Slide

Because they do the same damage than this ones i posted and they are easier
32% B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Slide
34% B+1,2 - Ice ball - 2,1,4 - Power Slide
 
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