Sub-Zero for MK10

[BBBLP]

Noob Saibot doesn't need to be Bi-Han.
He's the same as Sub-Zero, just a name.


I've already posted this theory before, but I'll post it again anyway.


The entire story of Deadly Alliance. Quan Chi cannot transfer souls between bodies, that's why he needed Shang Tsung. Noob Saibot says it himself in MK9 "Quan Chi restored me." How can Quan Chi restore Bi Han if he cannot control souls? What I'm thinking is Quan Chi used his necromancy to resurrect Bi Han as a zombie, then used some Netherrealm parasite (Saibot) to attach itself to the corpse, giving it semi-free will and ensuring that there was no way Bi Han's soul could return to the occupied body. It makes more sense when Noob says to Kuai 'We share blood, but we are not brothers'. He's pretty much saying "I am not the man you think I am, I'm just wearing his skin". He has access to his memories, but not his feelings. This is why I think when Noob Saibot was knocked into the Soulnado, Saibot was ripped from his body and Bi Han may have been reunited with his soul.

And going off of this, I think we will be able to keep Human Sub, Cyber Sub and Saibot
Bi Han comes back to his body
Saibot takes on his own form
Cyber Sub Zero is salvaged and reprogrammed by Sektor



I personally think Cyber Sub Zero was a great addition. Sub-Zero is such a boring character after MK3. I love the how he thinks that even with all of his superior tech (Grabs wrist) he still thinks he's flawed.

 

[AMES32]

Wow this debate again? Bi Han and saibot are two different people, Boon showed a fatality concept that said "noob and saibot." If boon says sub is a hillbilly and scorpion is his ghey lover we have no choice but except that in the world of MK what boon says is law and no amount of fan speculation and outcrying for it to be their way will change that.

And as for sub Kuai liang did nothing exciting with the story give it back to Bi han and keep him dead. Hell use "saibot" as a Venom like symbiote and use it to bring in havok.

 

[Subz 711]

And going off of this, I think we will be able to keep Human Sub, Cyber Sub and Saibot
Bi Han comes back to his body
Saibot takes on his own form
Cyber Sub Zero is salvaged and reprogrammed by Sektor

I personally think Cyber Sub Zero was a great addition. Sub-Zero is such a boring character after MK3. I love the how he thinks that even with all of his superior tech (Grabs wrist) he still thinks he's flawed.

Cyber Sub-Zero is reprogrammed by Sektor. Okay then where does that leave Kuai Liang's soul or whatever the hell he was in the netherrealm? All of those characters are NOT staying dead. I would put money on that. When they are brought back to life what happens to Kuai's soul?

He just doesn't get brought back? Say he does, and then he's Tundra. We then have Sub-Zero (now Bi-Han), Tundra, Cyber Sub-Zero, and Frost all who use Ice. How damn dumb is that?

When you could just say Bi-Han is Noob Saibot, Kuai Liang is Sub-Zero (He could be restored to a human form just as easily. I've posted a theory before about Sareena confusing him for Bi-Han and placing him in Quan's Inner Sanctum which restores Quan to his previous form before injury. Could this not do the same thing for Kuai Liang?) That would bring Kuai Liang back, and insert Sareena into the story. Leaving Bi-Han(Noob Saibot) in chaosrealm to bring Havik into the mix. That could also make Noob Saibot a neutral character instead of evil for a while because he could join the good guys for a while to bring down a common enemy (Shinnok and Quan Chi). That would even see brothers team up for a while.

Just saying we are creating more characters than need to be created by separating these bodies and making them into two beings. We have Sub-Zero and Noob SAibot Sub-Zero(Tundra) and Cyber Sub-Zero. When we could just have Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot. I just think it makes way more sense to keep Kuai Liang as Sub-Zero especially because he hasn't given up the name Sub-Zero. He's still Sub-Zero in the Netherrealm.

We can just agree to disagree though because I also don't think his story was boring after MK3. I think it was one of the best.

 

[AMES32]

Dude. at the end of god of war ascension I said Kratos should stay dead his story is done. Don't you think it might be time to let Kuai Liang go? As of late he's been doing nothing but running Sub into the ground.

 

[BBBLP]

He just doesn't get brought back? Say he does, and then he's Tundra. We then have Sub-Zero (now Bi-Han), Tundra, Cyber Sub-Zero, and Frost all who use Ice. How damn dumb is that?

This is the problem with MK fans. They think that because someone shares a similar moveset with someone, that automatically makes them a waste. Street Fighter has countless Shotos, and most of them are great.

When you could just say Bi-Han is Noob Saibot, Kuai Liang is Sub-Zero (He could be restored to a human form just as easily. I've posted a theory before about Sareena confusing him for Bi-Han and placing him in Quan's Inner Sanctum which restores Quan to his previous form before injury. Could this not do the same thing for Kuai Liang?) That would bring Kuai Liang back, and insert Sareena into the story. Leaving Bi-Han(Noob Saibot) in chaosrealm to bring Havik into the mix. That could also make Noob Saibot a neutral character instead of evil for a while because he could join the good guys for a while to bring down a common enemy (Shinnok and Quan Chi). That would even see brothers team up for a while.

This I would be alright with. Especially about the scene of Bi Han & Kuai teaming up. The Cyber Sub/Noob dialogue was my second favorite scene of the entire story. But I still don't want Cyber Sub to go to waste (He was one of my mains) The shell doesn't need a soul to operate (I'd imagine) so just let Sektor take it. Maybe use it as the base for his future cyber ninjas now that he's the leader of the Lin Kuei (About god damned time, he's the most loyal member of the clan).

 

[Commander]

And going off of this, I think we will be able to keep Human Sub, Cyber Sub and Saibot
Bi Han comes back to his body
Saibot takes on his own form
Cyber Sub Zero is salvaged and reprogrammed by Sektor

Agreed.
This way we get all 3 back (Noob or Saibot - the wraith, Bi-han / Elder Sub-Zero and Kuai-Liang / Cyber Sub-Zero).
That was the reason that I suggested Bi-Han being returned after being separated in the Soulnado.
I like the twist that you put on Sektor reprogramming CSZ, because it would add to CSZ's story.
Bi-Han could train Frost and be her mentor.
Noob, with the help of Havik and his ChaosRealm army (ala MK9 ending), could over-take the NetherRealm from Quan Chi and Shinnok and Noob could be the new ruler of the NetherRealm.

 

[Subz 711]

Dude. at the end of god of war ascension I said Kratos should stay dead his story is done. Don't you think it might be time to let Kuai Liang go? As of late he's been doing nothing but running Sub into the ground.

K I'll bite. How has he been running Sub into the ground exactly? Because a few guys on a fan site dont like him?

Go to Mkonline. They are way more pro Kuai Liang. Hell testyourmight has kuai supporters as well. Look at the votes up there too even if its a few ppl most still prefer Kuai and the others just dont care.

So how is Kuai Liang running sub into the ground? Especially since its been 2 1/2 years since a game has been released. The only depiction lately was in legacy and they made both Sub-Zeros look like sh** so there ya go. Plus legacy, imo, is garbage anyway. Didn't remotely stay true to story.

Just saying I dont see how hes "running sub into the ground". Just because hes not Mk's version of Kratos doesn't mean he is running Subs name into the ground.

 

[BBBLP]

I personally don't think Kuai is running the name into the ground, I just think Bi Han is a much better character. Mainly because of how heartless he is.

Kuai actually had a lot of potential for MK10, if he didn't die in this game. Could have been a whole arc about him trying to get the Lin Kuei back from Sektor. Sektor loses, then splits to make an unofficial branch of the Lin Kuei, the Tekunin. Because I don't like the idea of Sektor giving up all together on the Lin Kuei and making a different clan. He's the most loyal member of the Lin Kuei.



I will say though, Kuai Liang was the shit in the MKvsDC story mode.

 

[Commander]

I personally don't think Kuai is running the name into the ground, I just think Bi Han is a much better character. Mainly because of how heartless he is.

This is my main reason too.


Scorpion: "I will have my revenge, but I will not kill Sub-Zero."
Sub-Zero (Bi-Han): "Will not? Or cannot?"

F***ING BADASS!!!!

I love that Bi-Han just didn't give a shit about who got in his way, and that he would destroy them regardless.

 

[Critical-Limit]

So... I was confused about one thing.

They made the tournament seem like it was a crew battle.

earthrealm vs outworld.

But Subzero played both sides at one point.

Shang made subzero fight Sonya.

But then later had Scorpion fight Subzero.

 

[Subz 711]

Yeah, and I think ultimately that's where we differ. I get that you like Bi-Han because hes colder, but thats the exact reason I dont and feel that is why his character is much more befitting of Noob Saibot.

Ultimately if what you guys say is true and the soulnado separates bi-Han from noob saibot (I still say they're the same character) then that would remove all evil from Bi-Han because the soulnado would purify him basically. So would he he not be essentially Kuai Liang except the older brother this time? I mean what im saying is the cold personality would be gone. Hell kuai liang was "cold" himself in the old timeline only helping the good guys when raiden would ask. He kept himself secluded in the Lin kuei temple besides that. I guess im just saying this cold character you want would be gone. Because the sub-zero that would emerge would be good.

Plus in Kuai's defense, he didnt magically stop being Sub-zero just because hes cyber and died. Just like kitana didnt stop being kitana and kung Lao didnt stop being kung Lao.

Personally I think it would be interesting if smoke inhabited the cyber body but could leave at free will. That would give us both smoke, and cyber smoke. If not then let sektor reprogram cyber subs body and have sub-zero face him once sareena helps resurrect him.

The cold Sub-Zero you guys are wanting though is dead. If Bi-Han emerges from the soulnado he should be purified of evil and that should make him want to fight for good. If you want evil badass Bi-Han though look no further than Noob Saibot.

 

[BBBLP]

So... I was confused about one thing.

They made the tournament seem like it was a crew battle.

earthrealm vs outworld.

But Subzero played both sides at one point.

Shang made subzero fight Sonya.

But then later had Scorpion fight Subzero.

MK2 was the last time Mortal Kombat was a tournament.
MK3 is the invasion saga. Sides didn't matter anymore, Shao Kahn was going to beat everyone down until his rule was absolute.




Also I think I'm starting to see things Subz way. Noob Saibot's biggest charm is that he's the OG Sub Zero. Take that away and he loses his ties to Kuai Liang and Scorpion. The two characters people want to see him interact with the most. I don't even think Noob and Scorpion have ever even been the in the same realm as eachother at the same time. It's a damn shame. Like Noob completely forgot that Scorpion killed him for the wrong reason.

 

[Commander]

Yeah, and I think ultimately that's where we differ. I get that you like Bi-Han because hes colder, but thats the exact reason I dont and feel that is why his character is much more befitting of Noob Saibot.

Ultimately if what you guys say is true and the soulnado separates bi-Han from noob saibot (I still say they're the same character) then that would remove all evil from Bi-Han because the soulnado would purify him basically. So would he he not be essentially Kuai Liang except the older brother this time? I mean what im saying is the cold personality would be gone. Hell kuai liang was "cold" himself in the old timeline only helping the good guys when raiden would ask. He kept himself secluded in the Lin kuei temple besides that. I guess im just saying this cold character you want would be gone. Because the sub-zero that would emerge would be good.

Plus in Kuai's defense, he didnt magically stop being Sub-zero just because hes cyber and died. Just like kitana didnt stop being kitana and kung Lao didnt stop being kung Lao.

Personally I think it would be interesting if smoke inhabited the cyber body but could leave at free will. That would give us both smoke, and cyber smoke. If not then let sektor reprogram cyber subs body and have sub-zero face him once sareena helps resurrect him.

The cold Sub-Zero you guys are wanting though is dead. If Bi-Han emerges from the soulnado he should be purified of evil and that should make him want to fight for good. If you want evil badass Bi-Han though look no further than Noob Saibot.

I didn't say I wanted evil Bi-Han, I just liked him more before because he didn't give a crap in MK9, and was more in it for himself, the same way that Scorpion (in the latter games) was neutral.

If the Soulnado separates Bi-Han from Noob Saibot, and cleanses him, he would probably become humble and join the good guys, but at the same time it's also developing his character.
People always complain that Sub-Zero was a boring character after MK4, and him being humbles by the experience and being more in the mentor role, would be befitting, considering that it's a more maturing experience.

I never said that Kuai stopped being Sub-Zero, EVER.
Hell, I don't see why he can't come back too.
Ideally I'd like to see all 3 in MK10 (Bi-Han, Noob Saibot and CSZ).
I just gave a good explanation as to how Bi-Han could come back as Sub-Zero.
THAT'S ALL.

Smoke doesn't need to be turned again.
Smoke got saved in MK9, and they should explore the "demon" version of him in his MK9 ending, IMO.
That would be a much better development for his character, and make him his OWN character, rather than being connected to Noob Saibot again.

Again, the cold Sub-Zero that I have loved would just be humbled and made into a better person,from the Soulnado experience, and Bi-Han could actually be a neutral character, rather than being tied down to Noob Saibot or the NetherRealm.
Noob or Saibot (whichever name is more associated with the wraith), should have his own story aside from Bi-Han, after he is separated from Bi-Han with his OWN motives for wanting to rue the NetherRealm.
The wraith that was infused with Bi-Han, may have just been another "run-of-the -mill" demon, and now that he has the opportunity to seize control of the NetherRealm, and he can take that shot.
Bi-Han, being humbled by the experience can convince Scorpion, that they were both screwed over by Quan Chi, and form an allegiance with Scorpion to take down a common enemy, and "bury the hatchet" between them.

It would let Scorpion and Bi-Han's characters both evolve, so that their story isn't stale.

 

[Revamp_Kombat]

I didn't say I wanted evil Bi-Han, I just liked him more before because he didn't give a crap in MK9, and was more in it for himself, the same way that Scorpion (in the latter games) was neutral.

If the Soulnado separates Bi-Han from Noob Saibot, and cleanses him, he would probably become humble and join the good guys, but at the same time it's also developing his character.
People always complain that Sub-Zero was a boring character after MK4, and him being humbles by the experience and being more in the mentor role, would be befitting, considering that it's a more maturing experience.

I never said that Kuai stopped being Sub-Zero, EVER.
Hell, I don't see why he can't come back too.
Ideally I'd like to see all 3 in MK10 (Bi-Han, Noob Saibot and CSZ).
I just gave a good explanation as to how Bi-Han could come back as Sub-Zero.
THAT'S ALL.

Smoke doesn't need to be turned again.
Smoke got saved in MK9, and they should explore the "demon" version of him in his MK9 ending, IMO.
That would be a much better development for his character, and make him his OWN character, rather than being connected to Noob Saibot again.

Again, the cold Sub-Zero that I have loved would just be humbled and made into a better person,from the Soulnado experience, and Bi-Han could actually be a neutral character, rather than being tied down to Noob Saibot or the NetherRealm.
Noob or Saibot (whichever name is more associated with the wraith), should have his own story aside from Bi-Han, after he is separated from Bi-Han with his OWN motives for wanting to rue the NetherRealm.
The wraith that was infused with Bi-Han, may have just been another "run-of-the -mill" demon, and now that he has the opportunity to seize control of the NetherRealm, and he can take that shot.
Bi-Han, being humbled by the experience can convince Scorpion, that they were both screwed over by Quan Chi, and form an allegiance with Scorpion to take down a common enemy, and "bury the hatchet" between them.

It would let Scorpion and Bi-Han's characters both evolve, so that their story isn't stale.

I don't see Bi-Han as a good guy very well.

Kuai Liang was the perfect Sub-Zero. Bi-Han is neutral and doesn't care about anyone but his survival. Would he save his brother? I don't think so.

 

[Nasty_Freak]

Here is how I'd out it...

Noob Saibot separates from Bi Han like Nightmare and Siegfried (Soul Calibur). Then Kuai Liang would be a human-cyborg (undead or alive).

 

[Commander]

I don't see Bi-Han as a good guy very well.

Kuai Liang was the perfect Sub-Zero. Bi-Han is neutral and doesn't care about anyone but his survival. Would he save his brother? I don't think so.

He was never a bad guy, though.
You and Subz are both mistaking the neutral "don't give a crap" attitude and c0ckyness, with evil.
Neutral =/= evil.
Bi-Han (as Sub-Zero) wasn't evil in MK9, he just didn't give a crap either way, and had his own reasons for doing things.
It doesn't make him evil, though.
The only time that Bi-Han was truly evil was when he was infused with the wraith via Quan Chi, and turned into Noob Saibot.

So?
People can't change for the better?
Bi-Han surviving the Soulnado and having the evil wraith ripped from him could very well humble him, and is a logical explanation as to why he'd have a change of heart and try to be a better person, now that he's not associated with the wraith or Quan Chi.

 

[Nasty_Freak]

Neutral is like Nitara and Scorpion. Not evil but somewhat selfish.

 

[Critical-Limit]

MK2 was the last time Mortal Kombat was a tournament.
MK3 is the invasion saga. Sides didn't matter anymore, Shao Kahn was going to beat everyone down until his rule was absolute.

?

everything I mentioned happened in the first tournament.

I'm just wondering why Bi-han, fought earthrealm warriors AND fought outworld warriors, in the exact same tournament.

Would he save his brother? I don't think so.

Yes, I think he would actually.

Kuai Lang thinks very highly of him. I'd imagine they're close no matter how cold you see Bi-han. Even nuetral/evil people as you assume, have people they actually care about.

 

[BBBLP]

The Lin Kuei weren't there on Earthrealm's behalf. Remember Cyrax's chapter? They were sent there to assassinate Earthrealm participants.

The Scorpion fight had nothing to with sides. Scorpion demanded a fight with Sub Zero.

 

[Critical-Limit]

The Lin Kuei weren't there on Earthrealm's behalf. Remember Cyrax's chapter? They were sent there to assassinate Earthrealm participants.

The Scorpion fight had nothing to with sides. Scorpion demanded a fight with Sub Zero.

wasnt' subzero's original intent there, was to assassinate shang tsung? or is that no longer canon since re-make?