Sorry But I Think XBOX 360 Destroys Games ....

XxJadexX said:
Not trying to be a B here but this is getting a but ridiculous.....the SF/MK discussion is never ending and every thread is going to turn into an MK-SF argument.

If you guys really want to debate it, go ahead and make a thread in the video game section and keep it in that thread. That's okay, if you want to talk about it, instead of turning every thread into a discussion.

SF vs MK discussion in this thread stops.....NOW!
:)
Click to expand...

omfg street fighter is much better!!

As for this whole console... discussion? (Is that what this is?) I recently had my XBOX360 suffer from an E74, and I gave it the boot. Four years old, and surprisingly didn't suffer from many problems before this. I've decided to get a PS3 instead of one of those newer looking 360s. Not because I hate Microsoft or love Sony, it's no big deal too me. Yes, there IS a marketing competition between Sony and Microsoft, but if you're buying a console based on which company you think has the bigger dick then you're probably only playing video games to prove a point.

I'm getting myself a new 120hz HDTV, and I really wanted a Blu-Ray player to boot. I figured, "Hey I lost my 360, why not just get a PS3? Save some money?" I mean, we can go on all day and all night (****, it's been going on close to five years now) but the point is is that the different consoles are tailored to different people in different situations. Deal with it. And why the **** do you few people feel the need to point out this random person's grammatical errors? It's really not making you look that much smarter..

That's just my 2.50...

Sorry Jade, just needed to remind myself that this was a Mortal Kombat board.
 
Sure, nostalgia is part of it. Square has a special place, too, even tho everything since FF6 has been complete ass.

They're all out to make money, but Nintendo has generally used genuine innovation to generate money, while $ony and M$ have relied on hardcore technology (which is hardly innovative) to modernize already successful IPs. Nintendo has invented genres and then revolutionized those and other genres time and time again. $ony and M$, together, have had maybe 5 original IPs that were good, but their IPs generally suck. (Crash Bandicoot, anyone?)

$ony isn't too bad, I guess. I was aggravated about how things with the GTA series turned out for a while, but that was so long ago, it doesn't really apply now.

M$ is horribly shady, tho. Instead of entering the game business on a level playing field, they tried buy the competition out (Nintendo for $25 billion). Again, complete lack of ingenuity.

And yeah, I get your point, but I guess I'm just sappy like that. I still play 360 100s of times more than the Wii.
 
Eks said:
They're all out to make money, but Nintendo has generally used genuine innovation to generate money, while $ony and M$ have relied on hardcore technology (which is hardly innovative) to modernize already successful IPs.
Click to expand...

Nostalgia kicking in again? :p This is the same Nintendo whose bread and butter is their staple of franchises they've had since the 80's, and some from the 90's (DKC and SSB). Pikmin was the only new franchise and it didn't do that well... and back they went to what worked. All... wait for it, modernized. The motion controls and touch screens existed and implemented in gaming to an extent well before the Wii and DS, so they just took a gamble and brought it to home platforms. It paid off, big. The GC was their lowest selling system up to that point, so they have to take a gamble since competing technologically didn't work. It's all business. Their real innovations have been the d-pad, and the analog stick (my memory is fuzzy if rumble was used on PC before the rumble pack).

If you want a company with a genuine record of innovation, it WAS Sega. Sadly, since they left the hardware market, things haven't been the same. That's a whole other issue.. alongside Namco, they had a fantastic arcade lineup in the 90's and jump started the 3D scene.

I can think of a lot of things that MS and Sony brought to the industry aside from advanced tech, which up to the Wii was the natural way of progressing from one gen to another. XBL, the single best online infrastructure for consoles; brought it downloadable games en mass on consoles, and distribution of demos prior to release. Then you have Halo, Gears, PGR, Fable etc. all great, and some of the biggest franchises out. Halos is about as well known as Mario now. Social online console gaming started with them. The original Xbox's inclusion of a standard HDD (yes technical) and in-game DD was IMO monumental too.

Sony's aggressive marketing and pushing for new content with the PS1 in particular expanded the market greatly and continued on with the PS2. First party or otherwise, the PS1 hosted some great software such as RE, Tekken, Soul Edge/Blade, FF7 (like it or not, it's a monumental title), MGS and so forth. That's not even mentioning first party titles that some turned into franchises like GT, Jak, R&C, GOW, Uncharted Spyro and Crash etc (when they were developed by ND and Insomniac in the 90's). Even cult favorites like ICO and Shadow of the Colossus.

So yeah, it's all business and every company has had their contributions to fill their bottom line while moving the industry forward in their own way. The NES was the most important console for what it did to the industry for sure. Game library wise, I personally lump it alongside the PS1.

Man that was a lot of typing. Don't worry though, I'm sappy too :p Hell, unlike you, I've decided to forgo the hobby; MK and Batman AA's sequel are the only two remaining on my list.
 
Hey I Think Tomb Raider Originaly Born On PsOne Too & Best Game Tenchu . But After Creators Not Released Tenchu On Ps3 But Released On Wii They Destroyed It . If You Played Tenchu 2 On PsOne You Cnow How Good That Game Realy Is ( Bloody . Perfect Told Story & Best Feature Ever Own Level Editor With Alowed Create 3D Levels Very Easy ) I Miss Tenchu ... About Xbox 360 No Matter What It Offers To You It is Not Free . So That Way You Must Pay Even For Demos Online Play =) & Ps3 Not Only Free Demos Online But Joystick Are Perfect You Not Need Buy Bateryes Sharger . You Can Enjoy Gaming . (Oh I Cant Wayt To Se All Characters That Will Be In Mk & How They Will Look )
 
That didn't make any bit of goddamn sense. Besides, the amount that I paid for in buying rechargeable controllers is still less than what I saved in choosing to buy a 360 over a PS3. I'm not debating which is better, because they are both good, legitimate consoles. You appear to be the only one that wants to try and convince everyone (maybe just convince yourself because you feel insecure about your purchase?) that the PS3 is better. And, the "Imma Capitalize Every Word I Write" is annoying as **** to read.

Oh and incase anyone thinks I forgot the Wii, I haven't. I just don't regard it as on the same level as the 360 or the PS3. However, if I were still playing my PS2...
 
Tomb Raider made its debut on PC and Saturn first. Tenchu on the other hand was originally a Sony Music Japan property which was sold to Activision and finally From Software. Very good games up to the release of the 3rd one.
 
I don't think either system will run 1080p, I believe MKvsDC ran in 720p on both systems. The biggest space waster in MKvsDC was the cinematic videos. Both systems used compressed video files for their Cinematics, 720p HD video. The fact that Xbox 360 performs better is very much the case, the PS3 is harder to get up and working well due to the more complex development environment. Online is also easier on the 360, despite the cost, but I have a feeling MK9's online system will be very similar on both systems.
 
Pat, MK Vs DC was 1040x624 with 2X MSAA (and QAA on PS3) upscaled to 720p.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

Very few multiplatform games use the extra space and it's typically for more audio option and uncompressed vids (FFXIII, Tekken 6 and SSFIV etc).

Online differences will probably remain to the interface like it is with all games anyway. Thankfully, we're way past the ghetto of multiplatform games of 2007 on the PS3, particularly on UE3 (let's forget Bayoneta which used the 360 hardware better than a first party game, making a decent "port" impossible). It was rough in the first year particularly, which is why SCE is actually working with developers on the next system's R&D. As it's been, only first party software has been utilizing the hardware properly, and that's never an ideal situation since third party software constitutes the majority of any system's library.
 
Last edited:
@ Umon

I know Nintendo has had success primarily with the same franchises since the 80s. That means shit to me. :biggrin: Their revolutionizing of the game industry as a whole sticks out in my head, but they steadily revolutionized the gaming industry up until the new millennium, too. (Super Mario 64 is EASILY the greatest 3D platformer to date.) Admittedly, the 2000s have not been nice to them.

I'm not about to say I'm not giving them undo credit or that they've not had their shadier practices, but they seem to be more focused on making great games than solely making money like M$ and (to a lesser extent) $ony. Both of the latter companies tend to just throw technology at the gaming community and let the 3rd party devs work their magic.

I will agree that adding HDDs was a good move on M$'s part. Why $ony hadn't done this with the PS2 I can only attribute to cost. Up until the PS2/Xbox/GC generation, HDDs were really expensive. In that same light, I guess I'd have to give some credence to $ony for introducing disc-based systems when Nintendo wanted to stick to cartridges.

With all that said, my point is still that M$'s and $ony's OWN franchises have, in general, been abysmal. $ony has finally had a few good IPs, and nothing M$ owns outright is worth a damn period. (Then there's the BS M$ does with its proprietary hardware. :rolleyes: ) I prefer to give the credit to who makes the game, not the system.

In short, Nintendo will always be remembered as "The Great One", but then I look at what I actually end up playing, and it ain't a Nintendo game/machine anymore. :(
 
You weren't kidding about being a Nintendo fanboy, eh? :D They ARE out there to solely make money, whether they had notable contributions or otherwise. The focus on first party games is monetary motivated because people buy them en mass, and always helped them stay afloat (Pokemon, Mario, Zelda etc.). First party software is what kept the N64 and the GC afloat.

Even as a market leader now, their games sell best on the Wii. For example, Mario Kart Wii for example sold a ridiculous 22 million to date... I'll let that sink in. I'd personally put their gaming contributions alongside many other companies like Capcom, Konami and so forth. It's not like they carried a lot of revolutionary software on their own, they just helped the industry a lot with the release of the NES (pad and then analog stick.. greatest staples started by them too). Sony provided a somewhat similar support during the 90's with the PSX, and proved that third party support is very important. They also started marketing games as legitimate entertainment that wasn't limited to kids, which expanded the industry further.

And I mentioned a lot of first party franchises of the other two that you somehow managed to dismiss as abysmal. GT is 12 years old so it's not a case of having hit the jackpot recently, and the likes of R&C are 8 etc. I'd say the multi million dollar mammoth that's Halo is worth a damn. You don't have to like them though, really :p

Oh, about the PS2 and the HDD, one was released and overlooked. MS paid close attention to the bs Kutaragi spewed with the HDD, and online plans etc in 99. They actually implemented them and then upped the ante far beyond anything Sony did in that regard.

You do have a Wii though, right? This E3 was a bizarre one in the sense that MS was focusing on casuals while Nintendo showed nothing but core titles, and they all looked great. You have to be excited about the return of DKC.
 
Nintendo simply repackaged and recycled the Game Cube parts into the Wii; how is that not just a cheap way to make money?

Either way, EVERY company is out to make money. GTFO with the "they're in it for the money" nonsense.
 
Leave fanboy alone. :tears:

I get what you're saying. Makes a lot of sense, especially considering a company like EA whose business practices are (as of late) notoriously bad, but they continue to make some great games.

I don't see how Halo and Fable are first-party titles in the same light as the GT and Mario games. SCEA is the only name attributed to GT and the same is true for Nintendo and Mario games, but Bungie is the studio behind Halo and Lionhead is the studio behind Fable.

I'm not really big on DKC. It's decent, but it feels rather muddled and slow compared to the platforming in Mario. I'm not blindly loyal to Nintendo. I think Zelda is pretty over-rated, too. Again, it's decent, but not really my favorite.

And having GC memory card and controller ports doesn't make it a repackaged GC. THEY ****ING ADDED MOTION CONTROLS! :p
 
^Yes, and forfeited the ability to have a majority of the decent multiplatform games in doing so.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top