People's extreme love and passion towards characters

Sometimes the love for characters is going over the top in people's posts and this indeed become a problem, but sometimes this same over the top love can provide us great results, look at MKX DLCs as example - people asked for Jason in MK9, so here he is, not in MK9, but i guess better now than never, people asked for classic costumes for non ninja characters, here they are, people wanted Predator, Tanya and Tremor, here they are, MKXs DLC is ultimate fan service and the positive result of fanboyism.
 
I wouldn't consider people here "nerds" I am here because I want updates and news on a game that I enjoy. It's no differnt then someone checking the score of a hockey game. (I also do that) Not only that, I can come here and discuss about something I enjoy, we are humans after all and humans need interaction with other humans.

As far as why people get angry and what not, I guess people just are attached to a certain character and don't like change in certain stuff. I can say id be upset if my favorite hockey team traded my favorite player, id be mad/upset. (Plus I'd be out 200$ for having his jersey :p) But truthfully I wouldn't care if my favorite character was not in the game. I say people overreact

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we're nerds for coming and posting and interacting here, I'm talking about enforcing the nerd stereotype by getting defensive regarding your favourite character and taking offence to any criticism that character may receive.

Heheheh i can't right now since my team inter milan is worse than arsenal

Oh Boy... At least you guys have won the CL in recent years. But yeah, Italian Football as a whole is going downhill real badly. It sucks to see because I miss the days where Inter and Milan were really competitive, but shit happens I guess.
 
Thanks for derailing the thread guys :rolleyes:



Yeah I would say the same, and you make good points, but you'd get over it literally an hour or so after wouldn't you? I'd find it equally stupid if someone made a petition to included a dead character in a sequel of a book or movie because people didn't like the death of a character.

True, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a petition for that these days. lol

If I'm speaking personally, that now de-confirmed SFV roster leak that happened yesterday is a great example. My two favorite Street Fighter characters were not on that list; Ken and Juri. One of the reasons I even play fighting games is to do cool looking stuff with the characters I find cool, take that away then it's not a game I want to play. There wasn't a single character on that list of 14 that I would want to play as, so I was thinking I'd have to wait for DLC who knows how much later while everyone else is getting good at the game. Glad that list was confirmed to be fake. lol
 
First of all, if this post offends you by any means, my apologies in advance, I just want to understand something that I can't seem to wrap my head around. Also, this isn't a sarcastic post, and I'm not trying to be demeaning either. Also, I'm posting this in the MKX forum because this theme has been highly emphasized throughout the lead up to release.

If you frequent these forums, you may see posts of mine in regards to people's love and passion towards characters. In MKX, of course not everyone's favourite is going to be in, and to me, that should be accepted due to the fact that overall we love this game enough to post about it on a forum.

What I want to understand is how imaginary, fictional characters that don't even exist in reality can ignite so much passion and love towards them, to the point where petitions are made, social media protests are made, and threats of not buying a product due to the exclusion of a character?

Does it have to do with loneliness? Does it have to do with having nothing better to do? Personally, I believe when people commit actions like the ones I said above, it just enforces the "nerd" stereotype, where the people doing this and feeling this way, are lonely, and still live in their Mother's basement so to speak. So if any reasoning can be said that doesn't conform to that stereotype, I'd really love to hear that.

So yeah, if anyone more enlightened than me would like to chime in, please do.

Hmmm... it depends on people. Just because you like some fictional character a lot, doesn't mean you become or are a nerd who lives in the basement with doritos and mountain dew around him.

But to answer the very question... it is hard actually. Because there are many reasons why people might like fictional character a lot.

A. For example some of the people actually do feel attachments to characters, because of loneliness. Those characters give them emotional support just by existing virtually or on paper. That virtual strength those characters have, becomes a real motivational force for those people.
If to make it easier to explain the effect. Imagine a person who isn't really social, and has trouble communicating. Also might add few bad habits and you get a typical "loser" of society.
That's when video games come to save the day. That same guy who is unpopular in real world, plays as a hero and saves a village from a monster. Villagers thank him and call him awesome. It feels good for that person. Someone says something good about him and that makes his day. Even if it isn't real, it still feels good. A virtual character by the power of words alone can influence a person to a great extent.

B. If person has an ability (and time) to have nothing better to do, then I doubt he will time to be passionate about something (but I might be wrong here. There are always exceptions)

C. Again if that person commits such actions it doesn't make him "stereotypical nerd". Hell a person sitting in this forum could fit that description even better. Because to write in forums all day long is easy. If organizing petitions, rallying people, making cosplays of your favorite character, going to conventions just to show that passion, were as easy as that, then everyone would do that. Hell, that passion is a proof, that you at least give a damn about something.

Such things as being extremely passionate about something just motivates your imagination, your very creativity. Those very fictional characters become like energy source/motivational beacons for the people to push forward.

D. Other people like them just for who they are. Backstory, design, actions, character etc. It is fun for those people to play with that specific character. It feels comfortable.

E. As for people who rage, curse and might even riot violently just because someone said they don't like their character...
From my point of view I don't even consider them fans. They are pretty much the same as the guys who destroy/damage cities during protests. They just use that character/cause as an excuse to do damage/fight.

P.S Defending your point of view/taste/preference by using polite/constructive arguments and lashing out on someone for saying something bad or not liking the same thing as you do, are two different things.

F. Petitions, campaigns and so on are harmless and actually I see them as a nice way to unite people for a cause. If that cause doesn't harm anyone, then there is no problem. It should actually be nice to see people uniting like that.

That Fujin campaign (and few others) were born because Tremor's petition and his fan base succeeded in accomplishing their goal. Imagine the motivation boost it gave to other people. They saw, that it is possible, so now more people are taking initiative. Rallying, organizing, working together. That is beautiful in my opinion.

G. Also if I might add. Extreme version of passion... you know like having your room full of figures, costumes, posters, magazines, bed covers of your favorite character... it is also ok. Usually all that stuff costs insane amount of money, but if that person is able to afford it that means he has a job and loves what he is doing. And it also doesn't make him a bad person. (I also doubt that a lot of parents would spend hundreds (if not thousands) dollars/euros for their child's passion)

End note:

For me personally fictional characters are motivational figures. I don't care if they don't exist in real world or if their abilities are not yet possible. I use them as my motivation to push forward and work towards my goals. Those fictional character represent freedom for me. No matter what age I am.

Frost for example is still kinda a mystery, for why I suddenly started to like her that much. Might be because I see her as a difficult person who is plagued by bad habits and while doesn't show it in open, has an inside turmoil in her. Pretty much chaotic character. Surviving alone, becoming brutal and angry from harsh conditions of her life and bit by bit becoming more arrogant as she climbs towards the top while stepping on those who once were looking down on her. She savors that pleasure of beating anyone in her way, and in return earning respect and recognition from those around her. Power is the main key for her and that leads into her becoming more and more power hungry.

Might be a reason why I like her.

Even so while I am sad that she will be only an extra in game, I ain't gonna go bat shit crazy over that. If NRS will kill her off in game or will do a half assed appearance for her, I won't be happy, but it won't damage my view on game itself. As Mortal Kombat is the world where she exists and that is one of those worlds I REALLY like.
 
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Lmfao I laughed hard reading this!!. Ppl really want their characters in man. Personally I feel this way IF YOU ARE WILLING NOT TO BUY AN MK GAME BECAUSE YOUR FAV IS NOT IN, YOU ARE NOT A REAL MK FAN.

Im not sorry to say this at all but if you don't buy a game because of ONE character then you're a moron. I never in my life would skip an MK game just because a character I like isn't in. Im a real fan and I support NRS. Ermac not being in won't make this game suck, Kitana not being in won't make the game suck, Liu and any single character including Scoprion and Subzero.
 
Lmfao I laughed hard reading this!!. Ppl really want their characters in man. Personally I feel this way IF YOU ARE WILLING NOT TO BUY AN MK GAME BECAUSE YOUR FAV IS NOT IN, YOU ARE NOT A REAL MK FAN.

Im not sorry to say this at all but if you don't buy a game because of ONE character then you're a moron. I never in my life would skip an MK game just because a character I like isn't in. Im a real fan and I support NRS. Ermac not being in won't make this game suck, Kitana not being in won't make the game suck, Liu and any single character including Scoprion and Subzero.

That's a bit harsh saying they're not a "true fan", I think in this case with MKX, there's a lot classic characters absent, enough to where all of someone's favorite characters might be absent and there's no one they want to play as.

I'm not speaking for myself, I'm rock hard for MKX.
 
That's a bit harsh saying they're not a "true fan", I think in this case with MKX, there's a lot classic characters absent, enough to where all of someone's favorite characters might be absent and there's no one they want to play as.

I'm not speaking for myself, I'm rock hard for MKX.

Most of the characters have "replacements". But if it goes to the story, you're right.
 
RC=revealed character

CHARACTER REVEAL(TANYA):
1.Change avatar into RC
2.Change signature into RC
3.Create 2 topics about RC
4.Talk about RC in other topics
5.Fap while looking at the 5 seconds video of RC
6.???
7.gtfo
 
imo this affection depends on what level you love the thing itself. for example, I also love street fighter, MK and SF and the only fighting games I enjoy since I feel like microsoft just completely ruined KI's gameplay (although, if I actually liked the gameplay KI would be in my list too along with MK and SF, played that too since childhood). thing is, while my favourite is Vega in SF, I wouldn't be pissed if they excluded him. that's because I actually don't love SF as much as MK. I still remember my first MK experience, a friend had the colourless gameboy back then and had MK. I was fascinated by this mystical music and the ninjas, scorpion and subzero. ever since I followed any news related to MK (well, I guess except post mk3 and until MK9 since it sucked and also couldn't afford consoles) and the hype I got with MK9 is even higher now with MKX. I check every possible MK site I know of for any shred of news.

now on topic specifically, EXACTLY because of my love for this game being this big, I feel like the frustration of favourites being out is equivalent. as my avatar betrays, my favourite is Rain and in his case I just hate how NRS keeps satisfying the same fans in all mk games and he gets the shaft. the worst part is the humiliation, if this roster is all we get, do you know how many times boon tweeted about rain? a crapload of tweets and it would all be for nothing. I dont understand why they do this to us but it feels terrible. personally, I wish I could just love scorpion and subzero instead since they'll always be there but for some reason I always find myself rooting for underdogs
 
What I want to understand is how imaginary, fictional characters that don't even exist in reality can ignite so much passion and love towards them

imagine what whinge it's gonna cause if scorpion and/or subzero are not included in the next game
(looks at your avatar and sig)

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Most of the characters have "replacements". But if it goes to the story, you're right.

That doesn't matter to everyone. Heck it doesn't even matter to me. If Mileena was cut and another character had her moveset.. I wouldn't want to play as that person.. I'd rather just play another character I like all together.

Kind of like how some people only play RPGs for the mechanics of the battle systems and others just really enjoy experiencing the story and characters or a mix of both.
 
That doesn't matter to everyone. Heck it doesn't even matter to me. If Mileena was cut and another character had her moveset.. I wouldn't want to play as that person.. I'd rather just play another character I like all together.

Kind of like how some people only play RPGs for the mechanics of the battle systems and other's really enjoy diving into the story and characters or a mix of both.

That's why I say that if it's about story OR the personality and look of the character the "replacements" don't work.

Edit: Also that's why I love the intros before the fight.
 
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Using the phrase "nerd" or "geek" is such an out of style thing. In fact, both words are misused.

Technically anyone that is a gigantic fan of any one thing can be classified as a "nerd" or "geek." It's no longer something reserved for a pimply squad glasses wearing virgin that eats pork rinds and lives in his basement anymore. It's no longer reserved for the socially awkward. There's people who watch shows like Game of Thrones, the Walking Dead etc. religiously. People who watch the Marvel Movies religiously, or even read the comics religiously. There's people who are obsessed with Bioware games and RPGs who look unlike anything you've ever considered to be a nerd. (Hell, a very good lady friend of mine is a huge bioware fanatic and she used to do modeling and is also a writer.)

The point is such labeling is just stupid these days.

As for fandom in MK?

I'm sure my story is quite common.

I grew up with Mortal Kombat. I was born in 1988. Mortal Kombat came out when I was four years old. I started playing it when I was around 5. I played Mortal Kombat II. I eventually played III, Ultimate 3, and have played Mythologies, MK4, MKSF, Deadly Alliance, Deception, Shaolin Monks, Armageddon, and eventually MK9. I played Injustice. I grew up playing the games that the fine folks at Netherrealm have been crafting all the way back to the original Midway Games days. I grew up with the blood code. I grew up with learning how to trigger Reptile, or Smoke, or Jade. I grew up getting angry that Scorpion was excluded from MK3. And I grew up - as someone who is very much into good stories - appreciating every morsel of the storyline even when I was a kid.

How can someone NOT be attached to characters?

Scorpion and Sub Zero were my favorites. I went for the cool ninjas. In MK2 that list grew up to Reptile. In the absence of ninjas in MK3 (I was a kid, Subbie fell out of favor without a mask) I turned to Cyrax and Sektor. In MK4 I beat the game with every character and tried to watch most of those cheesy end movies in an order that made canon sense. I loved and still love this series.

So that means I love certain characters. Scorpion I'm waiting to get his just due in the story modes - for someone who is the face of the franchise, he seems to get overlooked storywise. I'm hoping this changes. I want to see good things for Sub Zero, for Reptile. I want to see what happens to the daughter of Johnny Cage and Sonya, the descendent of Kung Lao, the son of Kenshi. I want to know *how* Liu Kang fits into this.

You can't be a fan of a franchise for over 20 years and *not* feel passion. Does it control my life? No. It doesn't affect mine, just as I'm sure it doesn't truly affect anyone else. I doubt anyone here is going to call out of work because they're upset their favorite character is excluded. I doubt anyone wrote an actual obituary when characters in MK9 died. We're not addicts that let our passion as a drug keeping us from functioning.

There's a difference between passion and obsession.

You kinda need passion for something to follow it through the good, the bad, and the ugly.
 
Let me give as an example me and Tekken.

I do quite like Tekken. I wanted to try out different fighting games so I started playing Tekken. Soon I found some favorite characters, while many others didn't really do anything for me. If my favorite characters, namely Lili, Anna and Alisa, didn't make it into a Tekken game, I don't think I would buy it, because I'm a big fan of the characters, but I'm not as big of a fan of the game as I'm a fan of, for instance, MK.

Now, to go as far as spamming the delevopers' twitters, and threatening them to actually add those characters into the game? I wouldn't do it. Maybe it has to do with personality, maybe some people do feel entitled to have their favorites in the game. Or maybe they are actually passionate enough about the game, not enough to buy it if their favorites aren't in, but just enough to do that just so they can actually experience the game and enjoy it.

The petitions are all right imo. In that case, I could make or sign a petition for my favorite characters to be included in a new Tekken. Hell, in MKX, back when I thought my favorites, Kung Lao and Kitana, wouldn't make it, I would have made a petition to have them. But in this case, I am passionate enough about MK that I would buy and play it even without them. I did play and enjoy MKD, after all.
 
It reminds before release of the last KoF game, there was the slogan, "No Mai, no buy".

Aside from core mechanics, fighting games are largerly defined by their characters. Even for series with a ridiculously large cast like MK and KOF, there are always key characters that stick around in every game. Publishers these days make a big deal out of character reveals and why fans seem to eat it up. Goro is being used as a carrot on a stick to goad consumers into pre-ordering.
 
No, I don't have to admit anything. You think that they are boring and bland, I (and the majority of MK fans) don't. Having a different opinion does not mean that I am in 'denial'. You really need to stop stating your opinions as if they're facts & then attacking people simply because they don't agree with you. We don't need another Sonya Bland.

its not opinion, its fact!, backed up with evidence.

how many post MK 1/2/3 Made IT INTO MKX???

4 CHARACTERS out of 31. one of which is DLC

most those characters didnt return coz they are not very good,boring ,forgettable, or straight up terrible.. and the new introduced characters dont seem much better and most will share the same fate as evey other post character.
 
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As someone whose favorite character isn't in MKX, I must say that I am disappointed in Kabal not being in the game, but I also realize that that's just part of the deal of having a tertiary tier character as a favorite character :/

As long as they still have characters that I find are interesting and fun to play, I'll still buy MK as long as it's 2.5D. Johnny Cage, Mileena, Scorpion, Kabal, Stryker, Baraka, or Sub Zero are in the game, I have someone to play as. And with Erron, Kotel, and Jacqui, I have three more potential characters.
 
most those characters didnt return coz they are not very good,boring ,forgettable, or straight up terrible.. and the new introduced characters dont seem much better and most will share the same fate as evey other post character.

The new characters have had a widely positive reception. You're just suffering from old man syndrome.
 
I dont understand it myself. I have said from the beginning that I wouldnt care if no one came back and they replaced them all with new characters.

If Sub Zero (my fav character) wasnt in the game, I sure as hell wouldnt take to twitter or create a online petition about it.
 
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