Official TRMK Tier Rankings: YOU Vote!

Grew-Wolf said:
Smoke has a decent rush down, but definitely far from being the best, which makes him rely on more tools, like his teleport, shake and smoke bomb. These things become useless against a decent player. No competitive player will throw a random projectile. Also, his teleport is very predictable and extremely punishable, not to mention the smoke bomb doesn't even inflict chip damage and can be avoided by either blocking or dashing.

Of course, when he manages to land a combo or his smoke bomb, he can be deadly. And also he can whiff his teleport to surprise the opponent.
He has good medium mix ups, which works against turtles, but the lacks of low mix ups. He has one of the fastest sweeps in the game, though.
His EX powers are not a great thing. EX bomb can be used to make air combos easier, but the only true difference is that it inflicts chip damage, unlikely the normal version. EX shake can counter almost anything, but it is not good when you compare it to Cyber Sub-Zero and Liu Kang's EX parries. They let you begin a combo.

Smoke=7.4
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WHY DOES NOBODY USE SMOKE TOWARDS/AWAY!?!? That's all I ever use Meter for when I play as smoke....
 
Demetrius said:
WHY DOES NOBODY USE SMOKE TOWARDS/AWAY!?!? That's all I ever use Meter for when I play as smoke....
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It is a tool that's not utilized properly, but I didn't figure it was good enough to be used that much lol. I know it makes you immune to projectiles and mid and high hits, but Smoke can be swept or low poked out of it and then his bar was wasted and his momentum's stunted. It's especially bad against characters like Mileena, Jade, Cage, and Sub-Zero who can all make shit happen off of their low pokes.

If I'm missing something here, then please lemme know. I'm always up for learning new things. =)
 
3mag5num7 said:
It is a tool that's not utilized properly, but I didn't figure it was good enough to be used that much lol. I know it makes you immune to projectiles and mid and high hits, but Smoke can be swept or low poked out of it and then his bar was wasted and his momentum's stunted. It's especially bad against characters like Mileena, Jade, Cage, and Sub-Zero who can all make shit happen off of their low pokes.

If I'm missing something here, then please lemme know. I'm always up for learning new things. =)
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I love to use it to Smoke behind people who are using a projectile (Like EX Ice Beam) and then punish with a combo. Smoke is a slippery snake when you use Smoke Towards/away correctly.
 
Demetrius said:
I love to use it to Smoke behind people who are using a projectile (Like EX Ice Beam) and then punish with a combo. Smoke is a slippery snake when you use Smoke Towards/away correctly.
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They'd have to be using the projectile at a closer, and thus less safe in general, range, right? Not trying to say your use of Smoke Away/Toward is wrong, just poking at your strategy to see what's what. As I said, I like figuring new things lol.
 
3mag5num7 said:
They'd have to be using the projectile at a closer, and thus less safe in general, range, right? Not trying to say your use of Smoke Away/Toward is wrong, just poking at your strategy to see what's what. As I said, I like figuring new things lol.
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Ex Smoke Towards moves you farther than Jumping does, I beleive, so it's not TOO close, but it is a nice way to bait out the projectile by staying away.
 
Demetrius said:
Ex Smoke Towards moves you farther than Jumping does, I beleive, so it's not TOO close, but it is a nice way to bait out the projectile by staying away.
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I prefer to use the meter for Ex Shake when im trapped in corners or when I have just a bit of health and I cant be hit because I would loose, is a great parry move, I love to ex shake teleports :P
 
Fox17 said:
I prefer to use the meter for Ex Shake when im trapped in corners or when I have just a bit of health and I cant be hit because I would loose, is a great parry move, I love to ex shake teleports :P
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Agreed, sometimes I use EX Shake just get them off me.

As much a I ADORE Smoke, I can't be biased against the tools he both has and lacks. A 7 for me. :(
 
Demetrius said:
Ex Smoke Towards moves you farther than Jumping does, I beleive, so it's not TOO close, but it is a nice way to bait out the projectile by staying away.
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I see. I wasn't 100% sure on the distance it covers. I still think there's some room for some EX Shakes in Smoke's game, but I definitely see what you're driving at. Good stuff.

Thirteenthorder said:
As much a I ADORE Smoke, I can't be biased against the tools he both has and lacks. A 7 for me. :(
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Congrats on being mature lol. Regardless of what I think of Smoke, it's cool that you can be as fair as possible with your vote. Props (since rep can't be given out anymore lol).
 
An 8.8 for me.
+ Two great pop-ups
+ One overhead pop-up
+ Fast projectile
+ Fast teleport
+ Good mix-up when you use smoke toward and away
+ Great parry
+ Good at rushing down but great at zoning
- Bad low mix-ups
- No damage on a blocked projectile
- Predictability on specials except for the Smoke Away and Toward
- Not to many combos to choose from
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I'm surprised the Noob has an average score of 7 and you guys give smoke a 9? He doesn't have much of a mix-up game, his combos are limited, and he can't really rush down much. Yes, his teleport punch is the fastest, but very punishable and predicable.

I give him a 7/10
 
frozenenemy said:
I'm surprised the Noob has an average score of 7 and you guys give smoke a 9? He doesn't have much of a mix-up game, his combos are limited, and he can't really rush down much. Yes, his teleport punch is the fastest, but very punishable and predicable.

I give him a 7/10
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was the 7.0 done AFTER the blackhole buff? or before?

also...the reason is...people love rushdown and oftentimes fail to understand/appreciate zoning....in other words...haters gonna hate!

smoke has good rush (tho no low), great anti zoning, decent footsies. because of the nature of his rushdown (no lows) and while anti zoning is great, it is useless against anyone who doesnt zone..i give him a 7/10
 
Smoke is definetally not a player for newbs. Newbs with Smoke just Teleport and Cloud Projectile.

Real Smoke players can hit you with a 9-hit kombo by just kicking you and grappling you in air. Real Smoke players use Smoke Away and Towards korrectly. Real Smoke players can use both of our kombo starters and punish you when you are turtling.

Have a nice day. :)
 
Let's keep going with this please! I want to keep voting and stuff. I would like to see a complete list so. Thirteenthorder, you need to post another character.
 
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