Mortal Kombat HD Remix with MUGEN

I want to make sure I'm translating this correctly. My past experience as an award winning creative director has no influence on this project because those experiences were in the advertising field and not in the gaming field. And you personally don't care or think I know enough to make these kinds of judgement calls.

OK fair enough, but you do realize that being a creative director in advertising gives me access to photo-retouchers, 3d modelers, animators, sound engineers and programmers. I mean look at a web site or commercial with special effects on TV. Doesn't that sound a lot like the kind of talent we have working on this game?

Everything else you've said, I just couldn't understand. Something about me not having knowledge of MK and it being easy to see by looking at my work. O...K. Also that there are these egregious errors in the original MK game that I (if I were a real fan like you are) would have fixed. Few people have uKER's talent for ...something? and we should all be thankful to John Tobias and Dan Pesina.

Praise be to JT and Dan Pesina!





londonhellgate said:
it´s means that your previous experience is not very related with "mk field", except mk hd remix offcourse. You have learned few about mk cal....... everyone can critic your previous mk desings works, "if they have a deep and wise eye for the details". Is no a mistery from you that you have not a huge knowledge on every Mk ´s branches. Is more, include i see that you and your team wants to be very extreme conservatives with the errors that mk1 from midway team had in the past into mk hd remix.......excuse me, this point from you and your team, is not very proffesional and neither is a very fan sense on mk, cause between in the all mk ´s details, a real fan always want to fix those errors........... and you say uker is cheap or less important.
listen again, few ppl in the mk world have the talent of uker........ "details"yes cal, yes "details" when mk for any reason had rumors and "details"............ thank to in the majorie of the things from Jhon Tobias and Dan Pesina.
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Hey keep up the good work guys.

And remember, man could not design a better way to make someone feel offended/ignored/laughed at/insulted than an internet forum. It is a garantee that if you all had an office to do this project in for 8 hours a day, and discuss issues face to face, the stress levels would be way down. Thats why offices still exist.

Regardless of what one thinks someone elses motivations may be, remember they're working towards the same goal; to see this awesome project get finished.

Best of luck to all, on this project and in life.
 
lol uker exactly the martial coregraphy has alot details too.... it´s show how the moves from character should to be created and respecteds. Fortunately was never a wrong doing in mk.............. only by dan pesina........ more respect to him :D.

and cal, offcourse again you have not has taken even the idea what in really mk means.
Is not enough to have an arcade cabinet or an emulator in home. Again quitoff your previous experience in other "marketing" or "publicity" areas and specially "the money"...... for while in your mind...........if you have not mk fanatisim into your veins prolly you shall not see the things that uker is seeing for improve your game. It is like him said more above, uker wantd improve and improve to mkhdrem from his side and suddenly it´s happen in the ppl that is huge fan of mk like happen with uker, and too this is not happen in the case of the nrs team or official teams, cause constantly are seeking money with different egos arround the enviroment. Imagine if a fan like uker have this level vision, imagine jhon tobias ´s inspiration and his vision level. Again neither your team neither nrs team and neither midway team, since 1998 have never the pasion of J.Tobias for make a real mk game.... remember mk borned from Tobias........ the martial corepgraphy make to a mk a success...... too happened with Dan forden compositionsl....... they are truly mk ´s essence. Do not talk that mk armageggedon or mk9 is a truly mk game cause in really for the ppl that know to mk very depply is not true. Make your own reflections cal, mk is huge for understand specially in the 2 last years that you have in contact with mk ´s universe.
 
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Woah. I've missed some things.

One thing that I like to keep in mind and have posted on the Progress Page is that this game is a work in progress and NOTHING IS FINISHED. There is SO much time for revision and polishing. We have no deadline, and that is a good thing. If you feel passionately about something needing work, don't get impatient. If the artists want to move on, that's fine. That's good, actually. Later on, things can and will be revisited as needed. I mean I, personally, just completely re-did a few themes that I had already completed. Revisions WILL happen.

Again, NOTHING IS FINISHED.
 
Well, I have to agree on the MK team having become shit with Boon at its head, and I agree that the is a commercial moron with no creativity or even any remote knowledge of what made MK special in the first place.
I feel sad for John Tobias, the heart and soul of MK who had to leave the team and leave his love child in the hands of that tool.

MK9, while a lot better than the previous four iterations, is still filled with stuff that makes me cringe at how such stupid/corny/bad looking stuff made it into the final version of such a high-profile game.

Injustice looks like a MUCH more polished game, so I have high hopes for the upcoming MK10.
 
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I can't convince you I guess. I played Mortal Kombat back in 1992 when it was first released. I spent more money on that game than I even want to think about. I then purchased the Sega Genesis game on Mortal Monday. I owned it later on Sega CD. I knew every fatality and even played in local tournaments.

When MK2 came out, I begged my brother to drive me to the arcade just so that I could play. I was absolutely insane about that game. At one point I had 144 wins in a row with Scorpion. I was unstoppable. I also played as Shang Tsung and at the time I knew how to morph into every character. I owned that game on both Genesis and eventually 32x.

I bought an Atari Jaguar just because there was speculation that a perfect arcade conversion of MK2 would come out for it. I've seen the terrible movies and watch MK devolve after Mortal Kombat 3 Ultimate. I mailed in and received the MK2 official soundtrack on CD. You need to just stop. You know nothing about me and my fanaticism about MK. After MK4 I gave up the series because it sucked. After MK Shaolin Monks which I beat within 24 hours, I didn't play another MK game again until played MK9 at my local gamestop where I won a free copy of the game because I won the tournament. I'm awful at MK9 btw.

Also you are talking to a guy who hand redrew every character of the original fonts for our game. Who redrew the fonts that go in the life bars. Who captured every detail that I could and studied every object from the original game. I've recreated the palace guards 6 times..6 times! I've redone elements of the backgrounds such as Goro's Lair 4 times. I've probably spent over a 1000 hours of my life on this project. I did it all because I'm a fanatic. I did all this while having a wife, a kid and a full-time job (most of the time)

I don't know you. Maybe you are Ed Boon's cousin. I don't care. Just stop, you make yourself look foolish each time you judge me as some kind of MK noob.



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lol uker exactly the martial coregraphy has alot details too.... it´s show how the moves from character should to be created and respecteds. Fortunately was never a wrong doing in mk.............. only by dan pesina........ more respect to him :D.

and cal, offcourse again you have not has taken even the idea what in really mk means.
Is not enough to have an arcade cabinet or an emulator in home. Again quitoff your previous experience in other "marketing" or "publicity" areas and specially "the money"...... for while in your mind...........if you have not mk fanatisim into your veins prolly you shall not see the things that uker is seeing for improve your game. It is like him said more above, uker wantd improve and improve to mkhdrem from his side and suddenly it´s happen in the ppl that is huge fan of mk like happen with uker, and too this is not happen in the case of the nrs team or official teams, cause constantly are seeking money with different egos arround the enviroment. Imagine if a fan like uker have this level vision, imagine jhon tobias ´s inspiration and his vision level. Again neither your team neither nrs team and neither midway team, since 1998 have never the pasion of J.Tobias for make a real mk game.... remember mk borned from Tobias........ the martial corepgraphy make to a mk a success...... too happened with Dan forden compositionsl....... they are truly mk ´s essence. Do not talk that mk armageggedon or mk9 is a truly mk game cause in really for the ppl that know to mk very depply is not true. Make your own reflections cal, mk is huge for understand specially in the 2 last years that you have in contact with mk ´s universe.
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I knew every single move in MK1 and MK2.
All characters. Fatalities, babalities, friendships and Shang Tsung's morphs included.
I then knew all special moves in MK3 and most of the fatalities. Never bothered to master it though.
Dial-in combos and the admittedly stupid game were the downfall for me.
I never cared for UMK3 which for many people was the pinnacle of MK.
Only recently I've started to forget some of the stuff. Mostly MK3 and the less frequently used ones in MK2 like babalities and friendships.
 
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For what it might be worth, I think Cal in an exceptional dude who deserves his place. A vital piece of the team I might say, mainly because of his passion, perseverance and temper.

Whenever the comunication door is open, anything can be worked out, and I see the best possible attitude from most members, so... my faith in this project have been renewed by this recent discussion; hopefully it wasn't a completely negative one. There were some feelings here and there and the chance to put them on the table was given. Whatever doesn't kill you, make you stronger, I say.
 
Fact is: first you went to arcade rooms and then you got not the same game in consoles............... sega genesis? snes? 32x? pc? you have not any idea how those versions of mk has made problems in the vision of the mk fans. Because alot of those original details were lost and that is useless explain why. Is good for you if you played the arcade version, but again you played it´s first as a gamer player only, is the first step..... but is not enought, and 144 wining fight lesss . Anyway is an advantage if you have an arcade cabinet or emulator in home cause helps to regonize details, again too is not enought. Mk demands play it all the days, and acording that i am interpretating from you, you stopped to follow watch mk for a certain while and you back when mk hd remix has borned....................... i saw your six maked guards versions, and suddenly they are not 100% exactly even and the six versions does not match 100% with original mk1, my feedback for you in this case is: keep on mind that the cloth have an special texture, and i´m not talking about "pc textures", i´m talking a real life texture on cloth, and you cal, you has followed the stupid desings of masked guards from mortal kombat shaolin monks, mortal kombat deception and mk9, all when you have in the your front screen the characted played by Jhon Vogel in 1992.......I do not despise your effort but also i tell to you the truth............

if I had been the ed boon 's Cousin probably I would be very ignorant, cal, only i am other fan like uker, i´m very thirsty to see a real mk title like people and not (like as you said) a devolved mk game like happened in mk3. Is funny that you call to me in joke that i am the boon ´s cousin and when in the whole fact reality, ed boon was the person that managed the horrible coregraphy martial and the horrible programation in finishers, sprites and body parts XD in Mk3, yes in 1995. So again cal, i know to you in a certain portion like as mk fan :D...... but your whole vision of mk, is not enought yet XD
 
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Wow, for a lurker-fan of this project - this is pretty dramatic. The work being done on this has been great, and the quality standard has been upheld as a group effort. You guys are doing a tribute to one of our favorite video games, not working on something original. Don't let pride and power cloud the judgement and level heads. Like Justin said, revisions will happen. If someone can do a better job at something, you will always go with the better result (as you guys have already done) for the sake of the project. If two people are butting heads on an idea, work on something else that needs to be done and come back to it later. One of the strongest traits to good leadership and good teamwork is being humble and being okay with always going for the better good of the project.
 
OK while I never owned the arcade cabinet, far after the games had been released on home consoles when I was around 18 years old, I worked as a arcade tech, fixing the games. I played MK1, 2 and 3 daily. Am I qualified to be in your club of elite MK fans yet?



londonhellgate said:
Fact is: first you went to arcade rooms and then you got not the same game in consoles............... sega genesis? snes? 32x? pc? you have not any idea how those versions of mk has made problems in the vision of the mk fans. Because alot of those original details were lost and that is useless explain why. Is good for you if you played the arcade version, but again you played it´s first as a gamer player only, is the first step..... but is not enought, and 144 wining fight lesss . Anyway is an advantage if you have an arcade cabinet or emulator in home cause helps to regonize details, again too is not enought. Mk demands play it all the days, and acording that i am interpretating from you, you stopped to follow watch mk for a certain while and you back when mk hd remix has borned....................... i saw your six maked guards versions, and suddenly they are not 100% exactly even and the six versions does not match 100% with original mk1, my feedback for you in this case is: keep on mind that the cloth have an special texture, and i´m not talking about "pc textures", i´m talking a real life texture on cloth, and you cal, you has followed the stupid desings of masked guards from mortal kombat shaolin monks, mortal kombat deception and mk9, all when you have in the your front screen the characted played by Jhon Vogel in 1992.......I do not despise your effort but also i tell to you the truth............

if I had been the ed boon 's Cousin probably I would be very ignorant, cal, only i am other fan like uker, i´m very thirsty to see a real mk title like people and not (like as you said) a devolved mk game like happened in mk3. Is funny that you call to me in joke that i am the boon ´s cousin and when in the whole fact reality, ed boon was the person that managed the horrible coregraphy martial and the horrible programation in finishers, sprites and body parts XD in Mk3, yes in 1995. So again cal, i know to you in a certain portion like as mk fan :D...... but your whole vision of mk, is not enought yet XD
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This weird fan-level debate is pretty lame. How is this relevant to anything? Clearly, Cal is enough of a fan of MK to work on this project for over a year and put up with all stuff that goes with it, including this silly debate. I think that makes him a pretty big fan.
 
Hey cal, its not about elite gruops XD, "new cal order" now? lol look this example if you go meet to the shaolin masters or the yoga masters, include the buddhist masters, you shall find a global answer: kung fu, prana yoga or samatha not requires 1 o 2 matters, its the requires your all whole life, cause in those arts you don´t stop to learn.

Imagine, bleed is studying the art of 3d, is him inside in a kind elite gruop? huh? no, cal, happen exactly the same, him not ends to learn 3d stuffs.

With Mk Universe happen more or less the same, with the difference that is other art in his branches, offcourse is not millennial like kung fu, mmmm yes it have at least 17 or 20 years the games since 1992. You can ends a character or a stage, include a music remake( or not justin? why you has done 7 version of mk1 select screen theme? u discovered a new result also), But alway there is a new thing for learn. Ppl goes in the life thinking "ohhhh i have beaten to shao khan 1000 times and done is only a game, nahhhhh" when in really those gamer ppl does not stop to see what they have in their screen. Very prolly, uker played those games and prolly him have a very optical/visual memory and very prolly paid atention in mk´s details.

Well again cal, you look to mk without enought mk fanatism yet, the explanation was explained by you more above, also you explained your ideals about certain things, but imo without enought fanatism in the vein. do you Remember rocky III movie? rocky lost fight with Barakus remember? why? cause Rocky had alot celebrity popularity and mickey said to him that he have not enought "hunger" for win the batle in the ring.

So the real fanatic of mk, in their veins have this same hunger for search the perfect mk, and this hunger suddenly is not in the offcial game team ´s veins, why? "money" "marketing" "publicity" and other factors, except those game designers that started by his own mind an idea and how happened in video games industry, has success.........

I guess those 2 last sentences maybe shall starts make to think on ppl about certain things related and not related with mk.
make yourselves a question why there is not a real god of war 3 's sequel or why since deception there is not a decent final bosses? one factor is: those ppl are not the original creator...............if you dares make a reboot, you shall not break or realy in really the previous work in the past, cause it is classic between other reasons.

It´s the explanation why we are seeing alot stupid reboots on others franchaise and products, only chris nolan ´s batman or ubisoft ´s prince of persia was right, so it show that those ppl is loosing alot inspiration cause constantly are emulating something that was created by other original mind. and you cal, you say ahhhh uker is not proffesional like Mr. moss3s or anyone..... is something that me not has invented.

Well bleed idk, is not extreme but tooo is not soft, you has shown incredible things, even you can not copy in scorpion the 100% martial coregraphy of Dan Pesina, but fortunately you did almost, the point if you thinks that it´s only your limit........... too is extreme think on it, cause you can improve and more improve it on characters, and other mk details too. stress? yeah i believe in this, but like i ´ve said above, look this with fantic ´s eyes not with the "money eyes" or the "nrs eyes", play as a children with the wisdom of the adult that you became. Bruce lee had think in this same way too.
 
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Guys, now that Mugen 1.1 is out and supports .png files, I don't think you'll need to index the files anymore :)
Do you still continue on Mugen or you change the engine ?
 
Dude......you are crazy....I...um....you know what I won't say anything. You are right I'm not enough of a fan.

londonhellgate said:
Hey cal, its not about elite gruops XD, "new cal order" now? lol look this example if you go meet to the shaolin masters or the yoga masters, include the buddhist masters, you shall find a global answer: kung fu, prana yoga or samatha not requires 1 o 2 matters, its the requires your all whole life, cause in those arts you don´t stop to learn.

Imagine, bleed is studying the art of 3d, is him inside in a kind elite gruop? huh? no, cal, happen exactly the same, him not ends to learn 3d stuffs.

With Mk Universe happen more or less the same, with the difference that is other art in his branches, offcourse is not millennial like kung fu, mmmm yes it have at least 17 or 20 years the games since 1992. You can ends a character or a stage, include a music remake( or not justin? why you has done 7 version of mk1 select screen theme? u discovered a new result also), But alway there is a new thing for learn. Ppl goes in the life thinking "ohhhh i have beaten to shao khan 1000 times and done is only a game, nahhhhh" when in really those gamer ppl does not stop to see what they have in their screen. Very prolly, uker played those games and prolly him have a very optical/visual memory and very prolly paid atention in mk´s details.

Well again cal, you look to mk without enought mk fanatism yet, the explanation was explained by you more above, also you explained your ideals about certain things, but imo without enought fanatism in the vein. do you Remember rocky III movie? rocky lost fight with Barakus remember? why? cause Rocky had alot celebrity popularity and mickey said to him that he have not enought "hunger" for win the batle in the ring.

So the real fanatic of mk, in their veins have this same hunger for search the perfect mk, and this hunger suddenly is not in the offcial game team ´s veins, why? "money" "marketing" "publicity" and other factors, except those game designers that started by his own mind an idea and how happened in video games industry, has success.........

I guess those 2 last sentences maybe shall starts make to think on ppl about certain things related and not related with mk.
make yourselves a question why there is not a real god of war 3 's sequel or why since deception there is not a decent final bosses? one factor is: those ppl are not the original creator...............if you dares make a reboot, you shall not break or realy in really the previous work in the past, cause it is classic between other reasons.

It´s the explanation why we are seeing alot stupid reboots on others franchaise and products, only chris nolan ´s batman or ubisoft ´s prince of persia was right, so it show that those ppl is loosing alot inspiration cause constantly are emulating something that was created by other original mind. and you cal, you say ahhhh uker is not proffesional like Mr. moss3s or anyone..... is something that me not has invented.

Well bleed idk, is not extreme but tooo is not soft, you has shown incredible things, even you can not copy in scorpion the 100% martial coregraphy of Dan Pesina, but fortunately you did almost, the point if you thinks that it´s only your limit........... too is extreme think on it, cause you can improve and more improve it on characters, and other mk details too. stress? yeah i believe in this, but like i ´ve said above, look this with fantic ´s eyes not with the "money eyes" or the "nrs eyes", play as a children with the wisdom of the adult that you became. Bruce lee had think in this same way too.
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