Xenon
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...................................................................Hence why there's nothing realistic about Mortal Kombat............
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...................................................................Hence why there's nothing realistic about Mortal Kombat............
Xenon
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It's called humor, something MK needs and does. Seen those flips and kicks though?
Misucra
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Well... their excuse? They are still dead? I mean. It doesn't have to be some sort of active magic. By that logic, all revenants should be dead, because Quan Chi is dead and his power source Shinnok is... well a head. I didn't mean, that Quan Chi literally holds strings 24/7 and tells them what to say. He took their souls, and corrupted them. Hence why I said. They are bound to Quan Chi and the Netherrealm. So Quan Chi is dead, and now that he and Shinnok can't lead, Revenants took over.
In short. Quan Chi took their souls, inverted their alignment, made sure they were loyal to him and Shinnok and left them like this. As long as they are Revenants, they will be evil. They are cursed to stay like that forever. So yeah. Excuse is very simple. They will remain like that, until the curse is broken. I see nothing wrong with that. They blame Raiden, because they are corrupted. They blame anyone and will kill anyone, because they are corrupted. And again. Why would Kitana fight the people with whom she fought side by side. Why would she fight Jax? If she were to blame Raiden, why go at Jax. She knows that Jax died with her. So why try to kill him again? Simple. It ain't actual Kitana.
Or Sindel in MK9. Quan Chi literally said, that he brainwashed her into serving Shao Kahn. Even though she originally literally killed herself just to shit on Shao Kahn's plans for Earthrealm invasion.
And another proof. Scorpion. Quan Chi was shown to manipulate Scorpion's rage. Made him blind to truth and reason. And Scorpion wasn't even same Revenant as others. He was a tier higher. He was special one. A spectre. Hene why he was the only one to judge Quan Chi's decisions and feel conflicted about it. Most of the influence came not from Quan Chi's magic, but his blind hatred. And even then. He still could be reasonable at times. Hence why he hesitated on killing Bi Han, so Quan Chi had to actually force Scorpion to kill him, by manipulating his rage.
While others... why would they serve Quan Chi. They know he was part of the invasion. You want to tell me that just because they died (thanks to Quan Chi too), they just gonna turn on Raiden and Earthrealm? In the end. They can't control themselves. And now without the master, they are just these evil incarnations of their former human/edenian selves.
As for Raiden. That actually wasn't meant as sarcasm. I actually meant what I said about Raiden doing his best in current timeline. His decisions weren't smart and he put too much faith into rules, while others broke them left and right, but he still put his life on the line and fought. I truly believe that he was given shit cards to play and he did the best he could with them.
I just wanted to point out, that we can't blame present Raiden for most of this stuff. If anything the original Raiden is the one that messed things up. Yeah sure, his actions led to the future being changed, but at the same time, his actions will most likely lead to massive chaos.
Now that I think about it. Present Raiden succeeded where the original Raiden failed.
Original Raiden made numerous bad decisions. Like trying to revive Liu Kang and look where that got him. Instead of Champion he brought a tormented nightmare. His bad decisions. One after another, led to armageddon, the victory of Shao Kahn. And strangely enough, during the final battle he had everyone with him. Everyon in the Forces of Light was alive for the battle.
Present Raiden on other hand. Most of the defenders dead, Outworld and Netherrealm boasting full force, Raiden had to kill Liu Kang, just to stop him from making a mistake. And it seems everything just ends up the same way. He gets tossed the exact same way as the original Raiden. BUT. This time Elder Gods come to his aid, while Original Raiden was abandoned.
So to keep it short. The present Raiden is the version that made the right, but costly decisions. While original Raiden got drunk in his own Ego as the Dark Raiden and failed everyone.
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Misucra
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Yeah I seen those off screen flips and kicks. Not for one second I believe they did any of those actual moves without ropes, while standing on sand. I have seen people try to walk with high heels on sand. Forget jumping, you can't even run.
And really? High heels = humor? That's some bottom of the barrel standard for humor. Last thing I laugh at is clothes. I come to laugh at Fatalities and X ray's though. But again. It is personal taste. I prefer muay thai barefoot style, martial art shoes or military themed boots. But never high heels. They suck for me.
p.W
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Would you really deny that MK as a franchise has been moving in the direction of cinematic realism since pretty much its inception? Making huge steps in that direction with pretty much every title along the way?
Just because your story has fantastic elements in it, or breaks some particular rules of realism, doesn't mean you can do whatever the hell you want and not get called out for shoddy writing or shoddy art design. Nobody watching The Dark Knight Rises ever said "well I was on board with these movies up until Catwoman started beating up bad guys who are twice her size without breaking a sweat, but this is a deal breaker." And yet the Dark Knight trilogy is known particularly for its realistic take on the Batman mythos. That is literally the go-to word to describe that trilogy that most people will use.
There's nothing wrong with saying "MK should be more realistic than it is," as long as you're using the word realistic as short-hand for what that realism actually allows you to do with your franchise. Realism is a storytelling tool, a means to an end, not an end unto itself.
Commander
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[MENTION=16568]Misucra[/MENTION]
Sindel didn't kill herself in MK9. Nightwolf became a martyr and he took her out for the sake of saving EarthRealm.
As for the other revenants, why would they remain evil if the source of their brain washing (Quan Chi) is dead?
It would make more sense if the brain washing started to wear off on someof the other characters, and with Liu and Kitana taking the now vacant NetherRealm throne they become the default rulers of it.
Liu Kang's MKX ending (even though it may or may not be canon) tells of how without Shinnok's controlling power that the NetherRealm descended into chaos.
I get them remaining as revenants, though.
And that's what I was trying to get at, that while current timeline Raiden did have his mistakes in putting too much trust on the "visions," that you can't put too much blame the messenger for what the original message sender did.
Sindel didn't kill herself in MK9. Nightwolf became a martyr and he took her out for the sake of saving EarthRealm.
As for the other revenants, why would they remain evil if the source of their brain washing (Quan Chi) is dead?
It would make more sense if the brain washing started to wear off on someof the other characters, and with Liu and Kitana taking the now vacant NetherRealm throne they become the default rulers of it.
Liu Kang's MKX ending (even though it may or may not be canon) tells of how without Shinnok's controlling power that the NetherRealm descended into chaos.
I get them remaining as revenants, though.
And that's what I was trying to get at, that while current timeline Raiden did have his mistakes in putting too much trust on the "visions," that you can't put too much blame the messenger for what the original message sender did.
Misucra
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I was talking about Sindel dying in the past. Before the events of MK9. The death that sealed off Earthrealm from Outworld attacks.
"It would make more sense"
Nah, nah. There is no "sense" with magic. Even for a guy like me who spends most of the time trying to understand how even the most ridiculous magic works in games or movies, by comparing it with real world physics, word "sense" is too much.
In this case we don't have established rules on how Quan Chi's magic works. Nowhere has been stated if Quan Chi's magic control decays or not. We only know that Quan Chi got weaker without Shinnok being present. So we have this established. Quan Chi magic is powered by Shinnok's power. Gotcha. But what about Revenants? Do they need a steady supply of energy to be active? Or magic imprint is permanent and they don't need to resupply? We know that Nettherrealm wouldn't recharge them, as Quan Chi was being drained even there.
We know that they don't need Quan Chi to feed them energy to be mobile. Even with master dead, puppets are still moving. Kitana has proven many times, that she wants to see Edenia back. Why would she rule over Outworld? Of course we could say, that she wants to gather Netherrealm forces, so she could conquer Outworld and separate Edenia from Outworld. Or simply, Liu Kang and Kitana taking over, could be just a hierarchy thing. Or they were chosen as leaders by other Revenants. Or they showed their dominance through force.
Again we weren't shown what other Revenants did. Stryker would definitely try to go back to Earthrealm. Sindel and Nighthawk are enemies. Literally both died fighting each other. If anything I really do hope for Sindel's sake they don't get their will back. Or what happens to Sindel will be put on some Adult Website. Most of the people there died, because of Sindel.
If anything. Kitana is pretty happy with being with her murderous mother. I mean its not like Sindel kill Jade or anything. So yeah. If they truly have someone to blame, they could have ripped Sindel apart. But they didn't Everyone is happy to be on the same side.
Xenon
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Yeah, doing the impossible IS humour. And Mortal Kombat is all about the impossible. When she got stuck it was like tongue in cheek, "not so good in your heels now" moment. :lol: Anyways, pointless argument. We're getting close....reveal....c'mon Ed......
Misucra
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That's PRECISELY why I am talking about freaking High Heels. Or even MK9 outfits. At this point I am digging up ANYTHING, to make time go faster.
Xenon
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I'd like to see a character with high heels and on a unicycle. Now that would be hilarious.
Misucra
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I agree with that. I don't go to MK for realism, but I do like to see something pleasant for an eye.
p.W
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"Nobody watches Batman for realism. They're watching it for escapism."
> TDK is widely considered a masterpiece and beloved by the vast majority of critics and fans alike
Just because you can't see any potential in the MK franchise to rise above the genre-schlock it used to be, doesn't mean there isn't any.
Xenon
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That actually shows that women love MK9 designs... So much for "unrealistic bodies" too :lol: Anyways this garbage is going on for too long. Calm down, it's just a video game. NRS will do whatever will earn them the big buck, and that's that.
Misucra
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I am calm. Like I said. I am just talking here in the forum. About something.
Oh please. Could we not bullshit about these "females like MK9 designs"? Are there females that like them? Of course.
But years of visiting cons and just seeing female versions of male characters (which includes a outfit that is heavily reduced in size, to expose more skin) tells me that females like these designs, cause they don't have to put much effort in them and they can wear that, while saying "That's how it look in the game!"
But then you see them take some other character from another game, that wears full bodysuit for example, and for some reason you see cosplay, that is... a bikini version of the original?
Xenon
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Jesus... Women love showing off, it's not that hard to figure out. It's only nerds on video games that scream about "TOO MUCH!!! TOO MUCHHHH!!11".
So what, they should ignore that playerbase now, even if it's tiny? That's so sexist and misogynistic! :lol: Don't you see the hypocrisy?
Xenon
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I think that cosplayer also did MK9 Sonya and MK9 Jade. Ed retweets a lot of these chicks.