Mortal Kombat 11 General Discussion Media Thread

I thought the kombat kids were ok. They're basically mini clones from their parents, and MK is a huge cliche so...what did you expect?

Cassie having that bulldyke haircut though was puke inducing. Still better than Sonya...
 
Misucra said:
No. I am pointing out that you're comparing 10 second cameo with chars that had 2 hours of character development and there was nothing interesting about them.
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To you.

Of course I am gonna use old timeline. It proves absouletely nothing. Just because old timeline was changed, doesn't mean it didn't exist. It was acknowledged in MK9, so my point stands. That's the reason why I want Frost in the first place. Because of what I saw in the old timeline. Also please. 13 years of exposure. She only had arcade endings (and even with those she managed to show more change in character). She never even had a chance to be in a cinematic story mode as playable character. So she had way less exposure compared to those kids.
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She's been in the MK lore since 2002 in Deadly Alliance.
2002 - 2015 (when MKX came out) = 13 years.
The math checks out.
Using someone who's has been in 3 games in which to establish her vs characters in 1 game was the point that I was getting at.
Back then, the arcade endings WERE how the characters' lore was explored upon, or does the exposure for the OG7 not count, since the first 4 MK games also didn't have a cinematic story?
You're also conveniently skipping over the fact that MKX had comics in which the Kombat Kids (like Takeda and Cassie) had a part in which were far more interesting, and that this time there will be no comics with the comic writer being involved in the story mode.

Also I am not dismissing the kids. I am saying VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't get included in the game, I won't miss them, cause their introduction sucked. It was like watching Star Wars, where Rey just wins everything. No hardships, no low points. Kids just came in and kicked everyone's ass. No character development whatsoever. So unless they finally do something with them and make them GROW, then I will change my opinion. But now they are nothing, but just kids. Kids who were able to fight off Kung Lao, Sindel, Kitana and motherf%cking Liu Kang the ex Champion of Earth, while INJURED. I personally have no interest in Mary Sue characters.
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You DID dismiss them when you said that "Apart them being the kids of their famous parents, they have nothing." and started making a check-list.
How do you know that they won't grow or be improved upon in MK11, though?

And this entire thing was brough up, because Destroyer_12 immediately cut off Kabal from having any chance, but he wants to give those blanks a chance? I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Kabal has been in 5 GAMES as of now, so I can't blame him when some of us would rather see either 3D characters that haven't been in an MK game since Armageddon, or for wanting to see the ones introduced in MKX get expanded storylines over the same klassic characters game after game.

And just for the record. Let's just be extremist and for some reason ignore old timeline Frost and just judge her by using that 10 second cameo, where we couldn't even play as her while Kombat Kids in 2 hours of story mode and after being able to play as them, showed no decent character development. And you think it isn't stupid right now to compare the characters that failed to shine for 2 hours with a character that got 10 seconds? So I bet you also judge a game by screenshots as well.
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It was an extreme example, yes.
The point is that you're willing to give a character in this new timeline who got 10 second of exposure a chance over characters who could also completely get a better story in MK11, especially now with Kittelsen's involvement.
Just because the character development wasn't as good as it could have been, doesn't mean that it can't be better in MK11, in this upcoming story.
The ONLY 2 characters that I really took issue with, regarding plot, were Ferra / Torr and Erron Black, because even AFTER reading all of the comics, I still felt like there was information missing about them and I wanted to know more.
So, you're answer to a debate is to wrongfully assume things about me without knowing me and trying to throw shade?
I never resulted in personal attacks, but fine, you do you.
 
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[MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION]

Personal attacks? I just asked how you judge things, cause that's how it sounded to me. If you compare 10 seconds with 2 hours, then I can assume such things.

You missed there I said, if they will be better in MK11 then fine. I will change my opinion. But if they don't show up, I won't miss them.

Like how come you guys keep skimming over those parts and try to put words in my mouth?

I don't use comics, because they don't connect with game at all. According to Comics Kotal Kahn is supposed to be this badass, who beat Goro and his father. But Kung Jin comes in and whoops his ass. His decision making in game doesn't even match the comics.
Or Kano, or Kenshi or anyone else. Too many plot holes.

So using comics to show off Cassie isn't really valid option. Unless they are consistent. So I am not "conveniently" skipping them. I am skipping them cause a lot of things don't match game story mode. So if anything I find it strange you even bring them up.

And for the record. If I were to use comics, that makes Cassie's character even worse. So she had a mommy drama in comics, and after they smoothed things at the ending of the comics, we go over that shit AGAIN in game?

So once again. If story writer makes Kids interesting, then sure. I am open about it, but I am not attached to them. I want Frost, because of what I saw in Old Timeline. That's my reference. Kombat Kids. I have only 1 video game as reference, and the current reference sucks. So yes. I am not getting attached to them in any way. I don't see much of the potential in them, but I am always open to be proven wrong.

Using someone who's has been in 3 games in which to establish her vs characters in 1 game was the point that I was getting at. Back then, the arcade endings WERE how the characters' lore was explored upon, or does the exposure for the OG7 not count, since the first 3 MK games also didn't have a cinematic story?
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Last time I checked OG characters already got full blown story mode. Frost had overall 2 minutes of lore. 2 minutes. And she had more ups and downs even with that limited format. Hence why I say. If Kombat Kids had 2 FREAKING HOURS and still failed to have a decent character development, then I sure as hell can be skeptical about their potential. They had 2 hours vs a character that showed more action in 2 minutes while using static pictures and voice overs.

And you try to use that Cameo argument which is laughable. It was a crappy fanservice at best. I can't tell anything about her in 10 seconds. Ok, so she attacked Scorpion as she is hot headed. What else? Is she loyal to Sub Zero in this timeline? Or is she the same as old timeline? What's her actual backstory (once again not using comics due inconsistencies)? She is clouded in mystery right nwo for me, so of course I want to see her expanded upon.

Kids on other hand had freaking arcs of their own with backstories and everything. We know where they served, how they trained, who are their parents, what powers they have and they are also Mary Sue characters that don't lose and can fight off even the most powerful veteran fighters.

Frost on other hand, is already more interesting. Cause we saw her low point. She is hot headed. What else? What her future holds.

Once she gets the same or similar amount of info about her, then we can compare who is better. But now you're comparing characters who had everything established about them, while even having time to put in "I am gay" moments, and still failing to develop as characters vs someone who was just shown for fan service.
 
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When we say the kombat kids were terrible, are we talking only the game or is the comics included? Because them in the game vs them in the comics is a complete night and day difference and the comic writer (iirc) is going to be the writer for this game. I'd be more accepting of them being prominent in MK11 under that circumstance.
 
Hmm. Stream says it will begin @ 6:30pm GMT. Thought it was 7pm? Anyways, got my beer. Ed, you better not disappoint.
 
Xenon said:
Hmm. Stream says it will begin @ 6:30pm GMT. Thought it was 7pm? Anyways, got my beer. Ed, you better not disappoint.
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They changed it to start a half hour early.

30 more minutes. I've been up since 5 am, couldn't sleep, thinking about it all night.
 
BBBLP said:
They changed it to start a half hour early.

30 more minutes. I've been up since 5 am, couldn't sleep, thinking about it all night.
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Haha. I just got home from work, probably going to unload a 6pack. So if I start to type gibberish...That's the reason.
 
[MENTION=16568]Misucra[/MENTION]

You didn't ask, you wrongfully assumed something.
This is not a question, it's a staement.
So I bet you also judge a game by screenshots as well.
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You're the one who started to assume things about me, which is all that it is: an assumption and a personal jab at the end. It adds nothing to the conversation at hand.

I didn't miss anything. I caught that, but then you turn around and dismissed them with "Apart them being the kids of their famous parents, they have nothing."
I was simply replying to the part where you said that you didn't dismiss them. You did.
Being in different to characters being in and dismissing them can be mutually exclusive.
You can be indifferent and also dismiss them, which is what you did.


The comics connected better with the characters, though, which is the point being made.
It's the very reason why I'm willing to give them a 2nd chance, now that Kittelsen is involved with the MK11 story mode.

OG characters didn't get a story mode until MK9, if we're going by the logic of anything prior to MK9 not having an official story mode (which Kabal was also in AND had his own chapter), but it doesn't mean that they haven't had exposure.

I'm not saying that there aren't plot-holes between the 2 mediums (games and comics) nor implying it, but they did have story background within the comics, regardless of whether you liked it or not. The 4 new Kombatants also don't have the same experience as some of these klassic / veteran fighters, so I don't expect them to be at that level yet.
Sure, Cassie defeating the ruler of hell was a bit much, but in the context of MK itself I had no issue with it, because just 1 game ago Stryker defeated Reptile, Mileena, Ermac and Kintaro with nothing but a gun, baton and grenades, yet he's an MK3 character so people (in general) tend to give him a pass.

ANY character can be improved upon. Sure, Frost can be improved upon, but so can the 4 new Kombat Kids who've only been in 1 game, especially now that the comic writer is involved.
That's the whole point that I'm trying to make, that the 4 "kids" have had 1 game that they were in and can be improved upon in MK11, and I'm willing to give them another chance.


kadell said:
When we say the kombat kids were terrible, are we talking only the game or is the comics included? Because them in the game vs them in the comics is a complete night and day difference and the comic writer (iirc) is going to be the writer for this game. I'd be more accepting of them being prominent in MK11 under that circumstance.
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Can't give thanks, but same here.
I trust it more if Kittelsen is involved with the writing.
 
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20 fukking minutes. My wife is snoring her ass off right now. I can't wait to wake her up with my screams of excitement.
 
I trust Kittelsen if he get the damn story compatible to canon. I always say good things about him cause he's competent, but please, deliver things right.

Are you guys saying it's not Vogel writing?
 
Xenon said:
Hmm. Stream says it will begin @ 6:30pm GMT. Thought it was 7pm? Anyways, got my beer. Ed, you better not disappoint.
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The reveals are still at 7pm but they will start half an hour earlier with interviews.

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Commander said:
[MENTION=16568]Misucra[/MENTION]
You're the one who started to assume things about me, which is all that it is: an assumption and a personal jab at the end.
It adds nothing to the conversation.

I didn't miss anything. I caught that, but then you turn around and dismissed them with "Apart them being the kids of their famous parents, they have nothing."
I was simply replying to you saying that you didn't dismiss them. You did.
Being in different to characters and dismissing them can be mutually exclusive.
You can be indifferent and also dismiss them, which is what you did.


The comics connected better with the characters, though, which is the point being made.
It's the very reason why I'm willing to give them a 2nd chance, now that Kittelsen is involved with the MK11 story mode.

OG characters didn't get a story mode until MK9, if we're going by the logic of anything prior to MK9 not having an official story mode (which Kabal was also in AND had his own chapter), but it doesn't mean that they haven't had exposure.

I'm not saying that there aren't plot-holes, between the 2 nor implying it, but they did have story background within the comics, regardless of whether you liked it or not. The 4 new Kombatants also don't have the same experience as some of these klassic / veteran fighters, so I don't expect them to be at that level yet.
Sure, Cassie defeating the ruler of hell was a bit much, but in the context of MK itself I had no issue with it, because just 1 game ago Stryker defeated Reptile, Mileena, Ermac and Kintaro with nothing but a gun, baton and grenades, yet he's an MK3 character so people (in general) tend to give him a pass.

ANY character can be improved upon. Sure, Frost can be improved upon, but so can the 4 new Kombat Kids who've only been in 1 game, especially now that the comic writer is involved.
That's the whole point that I'm trying to make, that the 4 "kids" have had 1 game that they were in and can be improved upon in MK11, and I'm willing to give them another chance.




Can't give thanks, but same here.
I trust it more if Kittelsen is involved with the writing.
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I asked a question... now that question became into a personal jab... sheesh. Might as well just skip this part. Cause it is pointless.

Yeah right now they have nothing. They haven't shown anything whatsoever. No ups or downs. Just High School Drama. Hence why I am surprised why you even compare them to a character that in 1 game showed more character development.

Either way. This is just going back and forth. Cause you just repeat what I said. I am gonna be fine if they will be remade into more interesting characters, but so far what we got RIGHT NOW. I am talking RIGHT NOW. Not the future, not the inconsistent comic. But right now. Right now. They suck. IN. MY. OPINION.

If It was just a comic, I would actually be interested in those kids, but... 2 of them just literally repeat the same drama from comics. Soo.. yeah. They got NOTHING. Hence, why my most memorable thing about Kung Jin was him telling he is gay, cause nothing else sticked out about him. Same with others.

So Kittelson you better make kids interesting then. Give them something. Don't make them Mary Sues.

Stryker defeating them isn't even considered a massive achievement. While Stryker doesn't have super powers like others, his body is that of Batman and he literally uses GRENADES and GUNS. He is long ranged fighter so obviously he has a chance. Stryker is literally the example of modern world vs traditional world. Oh and him kicking Reptile's ass shouldn't even be mentioned as something significant. Everyone kick Reptile's ass. And when was the last time Mileena won a fight? Kintaro got beaten by two teenagers (Cassie and Jacqui who overcame him with just brute strength, which kinda shows that Kintaro is all muscle, but no technique). So the only challenge I see is Ermac.

Point is, Stryker is kinda believable cause I always saw the situation as enemies underestimating him due him not being this traditional fighter. So he caught them by surprise. On other hand. Cassie beating Shinnok would be nothing. But there was no build up, just convenient plot armor (literally). And again. I don't care if they are prodigies or whatever. Jacqui and Takeda fending off combined might of Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Sindel and Kitana was such bullshit that I barelu could stomach watching it. Literally established badasses of MK9. One of them being the Champion of Earthrealm, another literally killed 2/3 of Earthrealm defenders by herself, one of them being direct rival to Liu Kang and princess that has hundreds years of experience in fighting, can't beat 2 injured rookies. SO I SERIOUSLY HOPE Kittelsen will write something better than what we saw in MKX. I truly hope so.

Cause comics were good.
 
Mortal Kombat always had diversity, so I never bought into the "SJW" bullshit that people claim. I don't really care as long if the game is good.
 
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