May 21st..... fact or fiction

Does any individual know, in an absolute sense, of anything that happened before his or her birth (not talking about history books or family albums, I mean subjective experience, I mean you were there, either alive or in some "spirit" form)? Does anyone know where you go when you die? No, rather all we know is for some reason we were thrown into existence. We grew up in life and learned about this thing called God that created everything and rules the universe. That right there is evidence enough that religion and god theories are bullcrap. Religion says God is an absolute truth, existing prior to existence. But all you know for sure is your own existence. You can verify the existence of others but you can't know for sure they exist as you know for sure you exist. An absolute truth exists on a plane higher than existence.

Absolute truths: Existence, Death. (Being and Non-being).

All other truths such as "water is H20" or "I have two hands", history, science, etc. are corollary. They depend on absolute truth. Knowledge of the concept of God was gained within existence, so knowledge of God is a corollary of absolute truth. Stay with me here.

Religions say that God "created". That when the time comes, he will "destroy". Starting with Zoroastrianism, there came to be an "evil", or an antithesis that "deceived" and "caused havoc". Gods "punished" their people and "sent" plagues. Anyone know what all of these have in common? These verbs, these actions are all human. Gods' emotions- from Zeus and Aphrodite to the Old Testament God's anger to the compassion of the Christian God, to the fiery wrath of the Muslim God, these are all human characteristics. Meaning, if humans couldn't exist, an unexplainable phenomenon (thousands of years ago) such as drought (back then it was unexplainable) wouldn't be able to be identified as the "work" of a "punitive" God.

So if God has these actions and personalities, then he must be corollary to existence (the absolute truth) because without existence of humans or the world, would "angry" mean "angry"? Would it mean anything? Would "mean" mean "to intend"? Would "intend" mean anything? Would there be anything in the first place that we have come to know? Thus God as written in their scriptures exists within existence. If he were of a plane other than existence, if he were outside this sphere he has created where we, others, trees, and frogs dwell, then he would be outside of existence, or non-existent. To be outside the absolute truth of existence implies that there must be something even more true than absolute truth.

1. Truth (Worldly- Material)-----> 2. Truth (Worldy- Conceptual)-----> 3. Truth (Absolute)

Examples:
1. Trees exist
Frogs exist
I ate a turkey sandwhich

2. Division exists
Value exists
Belief exists

3. Existence & Death
(Beginning & End of subjective experience)

* Within Absolute truth, all the truths we know lie. If we were not alive, if there was just a blank screen or a void, division, value, belief, etc will become all irrelevant, they are concepts of this world. Money, sex, education, war, all irrelevant. History, science, religion, etc. all irrelevant. Even mathematics becomes irrelevant. And since the absolute truths are Being and Nonbeing, to say that God exists outside of being and that he launched the world into existence and caused the individual to escape from the womb is to say that he is not within Being, and thus is nonexistent.

For God or religion to be correct, God must be within existence and must be an absolute truth to begin with.

Then, everything about god theory and religion is tailored to human narcissism. It's all helping people cope with the finality of death. But it deceives in that it talks of eternal life or damnation, implying immortality of the "soul" or subjective experience. Religion attempts to answer existential pangs that everyone has, but in doing so it robs people of attaching importance to this life that they can tangibly feel. Instead, it conditions people to stick to their guns, be afraid, think illogically, and focus on an afterworld.

Finally, going by what religions say, that God or the spirit or whatever is beyond human understanding, who can dare say they know what he/she will do, or when he/she will bring judgment day? This is all paranoid speculation. Just live life and be a good person.
 
lol i cant belive anyone is taking this seriously...
i cant say im even in the slightliest worried or eve thinking of it. first of all because im jewish and i guess this is a christian predict.
secondly, there have so many crazy people like this guy through out the histroy of the world, predicting apocolypses and armaggedons all the time, and they all epic failed.

Camping predicted the the end of world would happen in 1994, too. Sylvia Browne, Uri Geller, and Peter Popoff have all been PROVEN to be frauds, but people still follow them, believe they have supernatural abilities and give them (collectively) millions of dollars. I think some people just want believe there's more to reality than there really is, and Camping subscribers fall into this category.

If they weren't essentially wanting to be duped into this shit, these people would go batshit on his ass come Sunday morning.
 
In the 1800's the Millerites stood atop hay stacks and on brides wearing white robes waiting to be taken up to heaven. Didn't happen Miller recalculated and it failed again. Seventh Day Adventist emerge out of it. Jehovah's Witnesses said the world would end in 1914, then 1925, then 1975, blah blah blah.

Back in 1999 Christians also believed that once it rolled over to 2000 Christ would return that didn't happen. Y2K was a bust, computers didn't crash, planes didn't fall out of the sky, the power grid didn't go down. No four horsemen of the apocalypse, etc.

Tomorrow will just be a collective sigh from Harold Camping's followers when nothing happens.
 
Oh god. It's already May 21st here.

I'll let you guys know if I live or not at Midnight.

Don't worry Jinko! I'll take care of you! LOL! Camping said that, End of the world will take place 5 months after May 21...

If it ends it ends.

I already got to play MK9 so I'm good :cool:


lol! Not yet. You and I still don't have the new action figures.... :D

2. Division exists
Value exists
Belief exists

You forgot one..
Mortal Kombat exists..... just kiddin..
 
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I have a "Rapture" playlist made consisting entirely of Bjork and a couple insertions of Halcyon + On + On. With these tunes, I'll be tripping the heck out. No need to worry 'bout me.
 
tremor, please use the multi-quote button.....

~Thanks =)

Oh! Sorry.. I seriously don't know how to use that button?

Bottom right of posts, it is the picture of quotation marks inside the quote 'bubble'. Just click that on every post you want to respond to and when you hit reply, all the quotes will be there so you can answer them in one post.

Okay thanks! I'll try it when I see another comments.

Just testing.. @Jade... like this?
 
Does any individual know, in an absolute sense, of anything that happened before his or her birth (not talking about history books or family albums, I mean subjective experience, I mean you were there, either alive or in some "spirit" form)? Does anyone know where you go when you die? No, rather all we know is for some reason we were thrown into existence. We grew up in life and learned about this thing called God that created everything and rules the universe. That right there is evidence enough that religion and god theories are bullcrap. Religion says God is an absolute truth, existing prior to existence. But all you know for sure is your own existence. You can verify the existence of others but you can't know for sure they exist as you know for sure you exist. An absolute truth exists on a plane higher than existence.

Absolute truths: Existence, Death. (Being and Non-being).

All other truths such as "water is H20" or "I have two hands", history, science, etc. are corollary. They depend on absolute truth. Knowledge of the concept of God was gained within existence, so knowledge of God is a corollary of absolute truth. Stay with me here.

Religions say that God "created". That when the time comes, he will "destroy". Starting with Zoroastrianism, there came to be an "evil", or an antithesis that "deceived" and "caused havoc". Gods "punished" their people and "sent" plagues. Anyone know what all of these have in common? These verbs, these actions are all human. Gods' emotions- from Zeus and Aphrodite to the Old Testament God's anger to the compassion of the Christian God, to the fiery wrath of the Muslim God, these are all human characteristics. Meaning, if humans couldn't exist, an unexplainable phenomenon (thousands of years ago) such as drought (back then it was unexplainable) wouldn't be able to be identified as the "work" of a "punitive" God.

So if God has these actions and personalities, then he must be corollary to existence (the absolute truth) because without existence of humans or the world, would "angry" mean "angry"? Would it mean anything? Would "mean" mean "to intend"? Would "intend" mean anything? Would there be anything in the first place that we have come to know? Thus God as written in their scriptures exists within existence. If he were of a plane other than existence, if he were outside this sphere he has created where we, others, trees, and frogs dwell, then he would be outside of existence, or non-existent. To be outside the absolute truth of existence implies that there must be something even more true than absolute truth.

1. Truth (Worldly- Material)-----> 2. Truth (Worldy- Conceptual)-----> 3. Truth (Absolute)

Examples:
1. Trees exist
Frogs exist
I ate a turkey sandwhich

2. Division exists
Value exists
Belief exists

3. Existence & Death
(Beginning & End of subjective experience)

* Within Absolute truth, all the truths we know lie. If we were not alive, if there was just a blank screen or a void, division, value, belief, etc will become all irrelevant, they are concepts of this world. Money, sex, education, war, all irrelevant. History, science, religion, etc. all irrelevant. Even mathematics becomes irrelevant. And since the absolute truths are Being and Nonbeing, to say that God exists outside of being and that he launched the world into existence and caused the individual to escape from the womb is to say that he is not within Being, and thus is nonexistent.

For God or religion to be correct, God must be within existence and must be an absolute truth to begin with.

Then, everything about god theory and religion is tailored to human narcissism. It's all helping people cope with the finality of death. But it deceives in that it talks of eternal life or damnation, implying immortality of the "soul" or subjective experience. Religion attempts to answer existential pangs that everyone has, but in doing so it robs people of attaching importance to this life that they can tangibly feel. Instead, it conditions people to stick to their guns, be afraid, think illogically, and focus on an afterworld.

Finally, going by what religions say, that God or the spirit or whatever is beyond human understanding, who can dare say they know what he/she will do, or when he/she will bring judgment day? This is all paranoid speculation. Just live life and be a good person.

As no believer can prove the existance of God, no scientist can prove that God does not exist.
The most important thing is to be a good person, to not harm others and whatever the truth is you'll be ok.
Being a scientist myself many claims in this article bother me, but whatever, this is not the right forum to discuss such matters.
Anyway such posts should not be allowed in TRMK in my opinion, it concerns personal believes and trying to convince others that God do not exist is not why we are here for.
Peace.
 
As no believer can prove the existance of God, no scientist can prove that God does not exist.
The most important thing is to be a good person, to not harm others and whatever the truth is you'll be ok.
Being a scientist myself many claims in this article bother me, but whatever, this is not the right forum to discuss such matters.
Anyway such posts should not be allowed in TRMK in my opinion, it concerns personal believes and trying to convince others that God do not exist is not why we are here for.
Peace.

It's not a scientific argument at all to begin with. It's philosophical, the thesis is that there is no way to prove or disprove, but based on subjective experience one can logically deduce that the existence of a God thus far stated by monotheism is probably false. If you'd like, come write on my blog! I'm trying to get debates going and I'll make anyone interested a contributing author.
 
For me I think god does really exist. Back when I was hospitalized cause of dengue last 2007or2008. I stayed there for 1 week. During my 3rd day there. A patient next to mine died, cause his platelets are very low..... The priest blessed and his body with a holy water. I was thinking about his mom and dad. His parents cried out loud. When it is time to cover his body with a cloth. His head moves and next is his arm. it was a miracle! I really saw it, cause I was next to him. I was shocked and happy at the same time... He died shortly and revived again.. That's an evidence of existance of god and miracle.

Then his mother came to my bed and told me to fight. She gave me a booklet and a holy water. 4 days after that. I was cured, and feel new again.

I'm telling you. This is no joke. Me and my parents saw what really happened. He shortly died for just 7 mins.
 
The notion that everyone decided to lose their shit because of a MOVIE (2012)!? is ridiculous. Dec. 21st is just the end of a cycle in the Mayan calender, happens all the time, nothing will happen. 12:30 am here and not a thing has occurred.... And why is the 21st of each month the prediction? oh well, imma go take a nap.
 
The notion that everyone decided to lose their shit because of a MOVIE (2012)!? is ridiculous. Dec. 21st is just the end of a cycle in the Mayan calender, happens all the time, nothing will happen. 12:30 am here and not a thing has occurred.... And why is the 21st of each month the prediction? oh well, imma go take a nap.
typical the world will end 7 days before my birthday :P
 
The mayan calendar is just a pointless issue. did they think about the possibilities why it ends on December 21 2012? Maybe the mayan's don't have enough space on the rock to write another date. Or maybe they quit making another calendar cause one calendar is a pain on the ass.
 
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