Kung Lao and Smoke balance (Recovers)

FlawlessVictory

FlawlessVictory

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Is it just me or do Smoke and Kung Lao have ridiculously quick recovery times? It seems that it's almost impossible to do anything but chip damage to Kung Lao if he's constantly teleporting and countering when he's attacked. And Smoke's Smoke Trap...yeah, can be blocked if you know when to use it, but no one wants to sit around chipping away at his health.
 
Smoke is fine. Kung Lao, now there's a problem. He's damn near impossible to punish after his spin. I can't even punish it with my Shadow Kick (one of the fastest specials in the game). Even if Lao is knocked down he forces you to let him get up for free because there is no move that I know of that has priority over that spin. He totally makes the corner game irrelevant because of this reason. You won't be doing any corner combos against Kung Lao. He's fast, has huge combos that do moderate to high damage, and his wake-up is one of if not THE best in the game. He's ridiculous.
 
Kung Lao is OP, no doubt about that. Tournament level players can deal with him just fine, but as far as average or decent people, he's overpowered.
 
Immortal Reaver said:
Kung Lao is OP, no doubt about that. Tournament level players can deal with him just fine, but as far as average or decent people, he's overpowered.
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even tournament players don't deal with him "just fine". yea they can deal with him better then the average guy but he's still a problem. Just look at how many people played him in the PDP tournament
 
I have yet to see anything have priority over his wakeup spin. DCP is also dead on about the corner game on him. Smoke is fine and he doesn't even have a specific low to mixup with. Most ppl online don't even play him right anyway.
 
Smoke needs no balancing. Taking out the OTG bomb is ******** as it is.

Kung lao is way too overpowered. Just look at PDP.

That spin move is such ********.
 
itsmillatime420 said:
Smoke needs no balancing. Taking out the OTG bomb is ******** as it is.

Kung lao is way too overpowered. Just look at PDP.

That spin move is such ********.
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what is OTG bomb? ive been hearing about it everywhere and dont know what it is hahaha

and i think you should be *****ing about kung lao and raiden, not smoke
 
Best thing to do about Kung Lao after you knock him down is jump backwards immediately. Unless your knockdown launches him across the stage make sure you jump out of his range. Even if you block his spin, he leaves most players at a disadvantage. I'm pretty sure he has plus frames after his spin is blocked but I'm not sure. It seems to be hit and miss online. Sometimes I get lucky and manage to hit him with a Shadow Kick, sometimes he blocks it and I end up getting punished. Which is odd because I remember Brady saying his spin is punishable by full combos.
 
Yeah, its lag. Fast specials can punish his spin. I don't know if you can juggle him, though. Ermac is the only one(that I know of) that can consistently juggle him on a blocked spin.
 
When you knock Kung Lao down rush (meaning dash in not jump) to get him to do a wakeup spin but BLOCK it, then use a ranged attack (every character has one) or dash in and do a combo. Don't expect to hit him with a BnB combo without a dash, the spin knocks you back too far if blocked, most of the time. Dash is so underused from ppl I get matched with...

That's how I deal with spin spammers
 
Kung Lao is a damn bitch.


Thats all I came here to say...and no im not complaining cause im not skilled, I just entered the Top 150 on XBL. w00t! lmao


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That spin needs to be punishable for sure. The fact he can use it as a wake up attack makes me have to play defensive and I hate that. Quan Chi and Sheeva are useless as turtlers.
 
The problem here is that most players don't have the patience to deal with Kung Lao. As soon as they down him they still wait right next to him waiting to attack n they forget that EVERYONE in this game has a wake up attack, including characters like johny cage. But people just don't use them.
After the balancing Kung Lao has been tones down dramatically.

I main Kung Lao and liukang and I can beat some of the more experienced Kung Lao players even because I know his wake up attacks.

Now on to my rants and opinions.
I for one am sick n tired of people complaining about characters like, hyrax, sector, Kung Lao, ermac, raiden etc, that they're overpowered.

Lear defense! After the pdp tournament most of the issues were toned down and there are more on the way.

Same applies to spamming! WTF is with people complaining about it. Your opponent will do everything in their power to try n stop you. If you think you can too, prove it by doing the same.

Lastly, accept the game for what it is and its balancing which is being addressed.
Each character has strengths and weaknesses. It's plain rock paper scissors as in every other fighting game people. Grow up!!!!
 
My buddy mains Kung Lao and my best defensive strat is playing the zone game with Ermac and proper mixups between B&B and low combo. Ppl just need to adjust to his aggressive game and defensive spin mixup.
 
KUNG LAO'S spin can be PUnished i play JAX and his dash punch is automatic now with lag sometmies Lao can block but its just the lag which gives moves like hell fire and slides an advantage and ermac i wont even talk about lag with ermac. Now the spin on wake up its just crazy ive tried low pokes even i jsut gave up on trying to pressure him on wake up but there has to be something right?
another ridic thing is someone chaining 3-4 jump kick dive kicks foir like 50 damage in the corner at the end of a combos just punch 3 tiems spin then dive kick until they are dead. things that are easy should take less damage off its like rinse and repeat. thank god alot of people dont play kung
 
I typically have no problem with Smoke. That teleport is wayyyyy punishable. Kung Lao, on the other hand.. Is a dick. A big fat one. I just.. Can barely manage to kick my friend(who mains him)'s ass. He recovers into that spin tooooo fast :(
 
Ryyzo said:
The problem here is that most players don't have the patience to deal with Kung Lao. As soon as they down him they still wait right next to him waiting to attack n they forget that EVERYONE in this game has a wake up attack, including characters like johny cage. But people just don't use them.
After the balancing Kung Lao has been tones down dramatically.

I main Kung Lao and liukang and I can beat some of the more experienced Kung Lao players even because I know his wake up attacks.

Now on to my rants and opinions.
I for one am sick n tired of people complaining about characters like, hyrax, sector, Kung Lao, ermac, raiden etc, that they're overpowered.

Lear defense! After the pdp tournament most of the issues were toned down and there are more on the way.

Same applies to spamming! WTF is with people complaining about it. Your opponent will do everything in their power to try n stop you. If you think you can too, prove it by doing the same.

Lastly, accept the game for what it is and its balancing which is being addressed.
Each character has strengths and weaknesses. It's plain rock paper scissors as in every other fighting game people. Grow up!!!!
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A majority of us here are really good at dealing with spammers, we all are well acquainted with our good buddy Smoke ;)

My issue with Kung Lao is that he has control of every major field, and his balancing could use a little fine tuning in terms of his wake-up and recovery. The reason we feel it's neccesary to bring it up is because it's MORE difficult to fight Kung over spammers because Kung isn't a spammer, he's a little broken.
 
Ryyzo said:
The problem here is that most players don't have the patience to deal with Kung Lao. As soon as they down him they still wait right next to him waiting to attack n they forget that EVERYONE in this game has a wake up attack, including characters like johny cage. But people just don't use them.
After the balancing Kung Lao has been tones down dramatically.

I main Kung Lao and liukang and I can beat some of the more experienced Kung Lao players even because I know his wake up attacks.

Now on to my rants and opinions.
I for one am sick n tired of people complaining about characters like, hyrax, sector, Kung Lao, ermac, raiden etc, that they're overpowered.

Lear defense! After the pdp tournament most of the issues were toned down and there are more on the way.

Same applies to spamming! WTF is with people complaining about it. Your opponent will do everything in their power to try n stop you. If you think you can too, prove it by doing the same.

Lastly, accept the game for what it is and its balancing which is being addressed.
Each character has strengths and weaknesses. It's plain rock paper scissors as in every other fighting game people. Grow up!!!!
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If you can't see that Kung Lao is obviously an overpowered character something is wrong. What doesn't he have? He's the fastest character in the game, rivaled only by Smoke (and that's a HUGE maybe). He has two projectiles, one low, and the other can be guided to go either high, low, or mid. He has a teleport that has 3 different options to come out of. The best recovery move in the game that is untouchable by anything. High damage combos. An X-ray that can be incorporated in combos. He's immune completely to corner combos. Has a flying drop kick on top of his normal jump kick. For someone like me, who mains Johnny there is pretty much nothing you can do. You can't zone very well with JC because his orbs are much too slow. And you can't stand toe-to-toe with Lao because he's faster and has virtually NO recovery downtime. Maybe playing Kung with Sub-Zero would be a good idea, but I'm not the type of person who switches mains just for a specific fight. It shouldn't come down to that.
 
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