Kombat pack 3 official thread

Going back to the last part of my post on this page:

You have to potential to do something really awesome with majority of your characters and you either half ass it or just suck at trying to get the point across.

This is why Baraka isn't in and the Xenomorph is. Baraka could be a great character, but what happened to him during the last two games? He gets thrown into the story and is basically a punching bag for characters and that is it. I also don't recall him being a highly played character online for 2011 unless my memory isn't is good as it used to be.

By no means am I stating this as fact, but his character hasn't done anything in the series. At least with Reptile, they decided to do something despite it only lasted for a game.
 
Baraka makes up for his jobber status with his aesthetics. He looks great and everything about him bleeds Mortal Kombat.
That said, it's awesome to see him live vicariously through the biggest Sci Fi horror icon to exist. Xenokatan, Tarkatamorph or whatever the hell it is, is a very welcome addition imo. And Baraka was my side main in MK9.
 
Capcom attempted even worse with SF3.

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So because other game companies failed at it, no other company should ever attempt it ever again? lmao

Liu Kang isn't even the most iconic character of the series. Walk up to someone and say "Scorpion... Sub Zero... Raiden..." And they will say "Mortal Kombat!"

Now try that with "Liu Kang..." And only the fans and former fans of the series will know who the hell he is.

He's a boring character. He always has been. I played a lot of Mortal Kombat as a kid. With friends, family, strangers... Nobody wanted to f*****g play as Liu Kang. lmao It was always the male ninjas, Raiden, Kung Lao (I never understood why, other than his gimmicky hat), Johnny Cage or any of the female ninjas.

I get that Liu Kang does have a fan base. They are Liu Kang loyalists. But when it comes down to story - Like it or not, NRS has heavily incorporated a story into their games now - Liu Kang is easily the blandest mofo in the series. Killing him off in MK9 was a brilliant move. For his fans, it was tragic. If NRS kept him as an NPC and then revealed him as the new ruler of the Netherrealm in that after credits scene, his fans would be freaking out. Their boy would be coming back better than he ever was (unless NRS screws him up once again - Which is likely).

MK fans want everything delivered to them in every single game. If their favorite isn't included, they f*****g riot. NRS appeases these schmucks and it hurts the series for it (in quality). Some of the best games I have ever played give people the perfect amount of content while also teasing us with what can come next.

It gets people talking and speculating long after the game's release. MKX hasn't been out a year and I only find myself talking about what went wrong and how it should have been done differently. There is literally no point in speculating with MK because NRS doesn't have a set vision. They start from square one with each new game. Characters and story points are retconned to death to better fit the newest chapter in the story.

In my opinion... If NRS wants to ignore the story they are telling when designing characters and setting up a roster, they should just drop Story Mode altogether. The series is becoming stagnant again because NRS keeps throwing the focus on characters that have been used and abused since the first two installments. Every now and then they introduce new characters who pick up a fan base but are never seen again for one obnoxious reason or another.

It took me a year to come to this - But I do honestly believe they should lose Story Mode. I'd probably have more fun with the game that way... Cause as someone who cares deeply about story, I find myself way too pissed off at NRS for screwing around with the fantastic potential of the MK lore. Of all fighting games, MK has the most interesting universe in which its set in. But NRS refuses to take full advantage of this. And it almost makes me hate them for it. lol

At this point I'd rather just see a more traditional MK game with other newly added features. Maybe tell a story through character endings. Keep it brief and simple. And for the love of God, stop with the damn favoritism. I don't need a million alts for Scorpion. Especially when half of them suck.
 
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I've always looked at Liu Kang as a lab rat for the developers because he seems like he's the only character they want to test stuff out on.

Developer - "Ooh, let's give a character the ability to morph into something like a dragon!"

Liu Kang

Developer - "Ooh, let's give a character some kind of romantic interest that's somewhat canon."

Liu Kang (You could argue Mileena and Baraka, but that didn't stay)

Developer - "Ooh, let's kill a character, someone that the fans would never see coming and show it."

Liu Kang

Developer - "Ooh, let's bring back someone from the dead."

Ehhh... we did that already with Johnny Cage.

Developer - "No, no, like they're still a zombie."

Oh, Liu Kang.

Developer - "Ooh, let's make someone become the new ruler of the Netherrealm."

Liu Kang.


And lastly, the only person I've ever see play as Liu Kang is my daddy, and it's only because he's the only character he can perform special moves with. I've never encountered a Liu Kang player online or when I'm playing with a friend.
 
If I talk about Liu Kang to my friends, they respond, "Who?"
If I say, "the guy that screams like a turkey" they instantly know who he is. That is about as much recognition as he gets from people I know lol.
 
That is the perfect way to describe Liu Kang. Lab rat. He's not even a fully formed character. He's just there for NRS to try weird sh** on.

But God damn... Gotta have Liu Kang in every game. The world would end without him.
 
[MENTION=18386]NathanCorsini[/MENTION]
What, is this facebook? :lol:
Sorry, but not sorry. Just saying it as it is. Seriously, though, these are good discussions and points going on.

Baraka makes up for his jobber status with his aesthetics. He looks great and everything about him bleeds Mortal Kombat.
That said, it's awesome to see him live vicariously through the biggest Sci Fi horror icon to exist. Xenokatan, Tarkatamorph or whatever the hell it is, is a very welcome addition imo. And Baraka was my side main in MK9.

This is true though. I didn't get to play X online for very long, but when I did (I prefer Dos Equis), I saw a lot of Liu Kang mains. He plays great but on the other hand, I agree he doesn't needs to be glued to every game.
 
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I only did regular lobbies and played until late October. I don't do ranked matches.

I guess Liu Kang shines more in ranked matches?
 
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind Konquest Mode returning, switching between 2 to 4 of the new characters, and the rest of the characters can be NPC cameos.
Win-win.
We get more background info and more of a story spotlight on the new characters, and some of the returnees are there as playable characters, without having the story really focus on them.
Every single story doesn't have to focus on the Trilogy roster.
 
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind Konquest Mode returning, switching between 2 to 4 of the new characters, and the rest of the characters can be NPC cameos.
Win-win.
We get more background info and more of a story spotlight on the new characters, and some of the returnees are there as playable characters, without having the story really focus on them.
Every single story doesn't have to focus on the Trilogy roster.

Imagine what they could do with a modernized version of a Konquest mode like Deception's. Hopefully, the cut scenes will be as beautiful as they were in most of X's storymode.

I only did regular lobbies and played until late October. I don't do ranked matches.

I guess Liu Kang shines more in ranked matches?

Yeah, I mostly ran in to them in ranked matches. Ironically, I was using Kang myself. He was my best online at that point in time. Very quick wins :lol:
 
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now a new question arises [MENTION=15322]londonhellgate[/MENTION]
if NRS has been sucking in your eyes since the 3D era then why in the 9 gates of hell are you still here?

thats beyond kid nova/Tazzmission/secondcitystate levels of stupidity unless you just wanna bich on the game jus cause

Because the 9 gates of hell are not my doors, and because the 9 gates are not the enought reason for that me get away from here. Maybe if the stupid boon was not borrowed ideas from DC, doing this pathetic reboot, inserting crap character (include the relatives characters in mk10), unproportionated 3d model (mkda-mka), a ruined story mode (mkd-mka-mk9-mkx with stupid holes and stupid retcons), making a favoritism in certain characters (scorpion, tanya, borraicho, quanchi, terra/torr,hsu hao, mokap). making each more generic concepts in several cases, all involed in a nasty and an unforgiven marketing strategy........ probably I would not be here.
Imo since mk3 ed boon f-u-c-k-ed up to mk and at same time he tryed fix the shit, then mk4 borned and brought a bit of balance, then in mkda really he and midway team really has saved the franchise.......... and then since MKD at the present day mk means s-h-i-t and a terrible disaster, that too acroos those games , mk has earned certain productive things, in gameplay terms, certain stages designs, conceptual arts and martial choreography (that is fair to say that it were fvcked up specially in mk3 with a crap characters designs, also with generic animations and sprites). IF you stop for a while, and looks to whole MK, just in a kind of zoom out mode, you will find that mk1, mk2, a bit mk4 and finally whole mkda the best of the best from Mk, then rest means crap without care what s-h-i-t of the technology Midway/nrs team has earned, acroos those years.

more here abortion fetus firefroid/mustaine/third city br, level of idiosyncrasy unless that you refuse to lick to wb ´s ass and boon ´s ass-......... just why?
 
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[MENTION=15322]londonhellgate[/MENTION]

So, you really only appreciate MK1 and 2?

I don't get it though. The games only evolved throughout the years for the better, in terms of gameplay. What are the main faults in the series MK3 onwards?
 
I doubt there will be a KP3 but for entertaining purposes i will play along:
MK Characters:
Sareena
Frost
Fujin
Nightwolf

Guest if need be:
Grey Fox from MGS
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[MENTION=15322]londonhellgate[/MENTION]

So, you really only appreciate MK1 and 2?

I don't get it though. The games only evolved throughout the years for the better, in terms of gameplay. What are the main faults in the series MK3 onwards?

wrong, lol bro:

I really apreciate and respect to mk1 mk2(linked a bit to mk sm), mk4 and mkda.

about your question the list giant, if i should to explain, prolly i need separate section per thread, i demonize to mk3-umk3-mkt-mkmsz ( a bit), mksf, mkd, mka, mkvsdc. mk9 and mk10.More above in my previous post there is an idea. Imo the big insult to mk ,is mk3, the most ridicule mk title.

I suggest tou you start to collect the bad things and the good things in every detail per game, not only the gameplay, just whole thing and try to get what pattern is going to be repeated in the proccess, specilly when stupid vogel and stupid boon each more have less ideas.

a litle example in histoy mode like as thread, honestly a great corrupted and an ultra morphed shinnok could to beaten by the stupid daughter of cage in mk10? really???? excuse me mr.boon and mr.voguel, you are very wrong!!!, cause under a logic point of view, is not posible, wait? the green aura from j.cage ´s shadow kick is the excuse? now the weed is more strong than any fierce mk boss? I HATE THIS LACK OF LOGIC AND REALISM....... but well mk need tobias, suddenly.
 
Gotta love when people just blame Boon for everything when there's an entire team that created the series. If you blame one, then you might as well blame them all since Boon doesn't always make the decisions. When you're working on anything animation with a team, you work as a whole. Sure you might have a few parts where someone works solo, but they're still collaborating with the rest of the team.

So you can't necessarily blame everything on Boon because he's not the decision maker. You have an entire team of guys and gals that do so also.

Not to mention, I'd like to know what fighting game has great story telling. I don't know one single fighting game that has the greatest story ever that makes people beg to know what happens next. I mean, ever since the third game of the series, I really stopped expecting the story to make sense or be great.
 
wrong, lol bro:

I really apreciate and respect to mk1 mk2(linked a bit to mk sm), mk4 and mkda.

about your question the list giant, if i should to explain, prolly i need separate section per thread, i demonize to mk3-umk3-mkt-mkmsz ( a bit), mksf, mkd, mka, mkvsdc. mk9 and mk10.More above in my previous post there is an idea. Imo the big insult to mk ,is mk3, the most ridicule mk title.

I suggest tou you start to collect the bad things and the good things in every detail per game, not only the gameplay, just whole thing and try to get what pattern is going to be repeated in the proccess, specilly when stupid vogel and stupid boon each more have less ideas.

a litle example in histoy mode like as thread, honestly a great corrupted and an ultra morphed shinnok could to beaten by the stupid daughter of cage in mk10? really???? excuse me mr.boon and mr.voguel, you are very wrong!!!, cause under a logic point of view, is not posible, wait? the green aura from j.cage ´s shadow kick is the excuse? now the weed is more strong than any fierce mk boss? I HATE THIS LACK OF LOGIC AND REALISM....... but well mk need tobias, suddenly.

That green aura comes from a power Johnny inherited from his ancestors who were breed as warriors. But still, I agree that it wasn't very convincing that Cassie would win. I respect your views and opinions but lets dig in to this:

Honestly, there's nothing too wrong with MK3 except that the fatalities got way too silly for the most part and couple silly things here and there. MK3 was my favorite in the series. How could you not love the empty, souless, apocolyptic city vibe when Kahn invaded? Renegade Sub-Zero being hunted by the Cyborgs. Raiden rallying the rest of the heroes for a desperate attempt to save Earth. Evil Sindel witch. It was awesome in my opinion. And it was the game that first brought the combo system. That's when the series got really interesting in game play.

MK4 you get Shinnok and Quan Chi, a huge fan favorite, trying to take over Earthrealm, Outworld, and Edenia. It had dark awesome music too. It was fast as heck and had brutal grab moves. It incorperates the awesome new story details from Mythologies.

Mythologies, by the way, is my favorite bad game of all time. Its hard as hell to the point it was hilariously awful to play, but shit it was cool in so many other ways.

You liked MKDA, so there's no need to go over that. It was sweet and felt reminiscent to MK1. Added Kenshi, another new favorite.

I don't know how anyone couldn't like Deception. The story continued with its dark nature. You got to explore the realms in a really cool way. I played the shit out of Konquest mode multiple times because of that. The game play was a bit more smooth than MKDA. What's not to like there? A cluster of arguably bad new characters. I easily look passed that for everything else it delivered.

Armageddon was the weakest. A rushed product but still a fun game regardless of all the crap in it. It was like a burnt chocolate chip cookie. You have to chew through the crap to taste the chocolate chips.

Shaolin Monks, you liked right? It was a fun, non canon, side game. An alternate take on what MK2 was. It still has a few canon things to it. The opening scene was the greatest MK cinematic of all time, I thought.

MKvsDC. I don't like that crap either. Its the one MK game I played the least. Atleast it had a couple cool character designs. It was a "what if" situation taking place around MK2-MK3. I can't really be bothered by a bad non canon side game.

MK9 was a clever way to make a sequel and a reboot after the mess that was Armageddon. You get back to the glorious trilogy era that is now considered the golden age. Sure, there's slight changes that wasn't nessarily great, but why get a complete retelling of something we've already seen? Its intended to go in a new direction. It wasn't 100% perfect, but it really tickled the majority of MK fans mostly because of the nostalgic factor. It was amazing. Really made me feel like that child I was when coming home from school anxiously to play MKTrilogy again.

I liked X. Story wasn't perfect either but it was an interesting new version of MK4 I thought. Again, it was silly to see child-like girl beat an ancient demon, granted but that was the biggest flaw in the story, I think. The more realistic tone, dark gritty atmosphere. The most beautiful looking MK game to date. The fatalities are really well done, granted every game has its share of stinkers though.
Gameplay is killer and the roster is more good than bad.

That's me though. You probably have valid points to this, but those things don't ruin all but two games for me.
 
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This game is proof enough of why MK does NOT need John Tobias:

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wrong bro lol ,then compare the martial choreography and the proportions of 3d model between those games....... ahh keep on mind that TF has got first the idea of brought certin interctivity in comparision with stupid injustice Gau............ and offcourse without count to Wulong Goth character, you will find that game have a more asiatic concept at game design and again martial choreography, fresh ideas in moves combos with more sense than mkda. Also keep on mind that stupid Jhon Voguel and stupid boon has used all the material from Tobias for build MKDA. And then, boon and cia, abandoned the Tobias ´s concept at mkd and just at mkd (beyond if this has reached a sucessed) the game is almost crap. Also Mk was an old franchaise and Tf just a young franchise, at least they tryed and too ppl did not understood the game.
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And kitty yes ed boon and the ppl that was agreed with boon ´s vision, alone or not boon did a crap in MK, yes he is not the onlyone in midway/nrs, but the majorie of those crap results, belong to stupid, boon, vogel, sanchez and this stupid himmerick.
 
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