Good breakers for those who spam combos on your block

DarthJoe said:
Back+2 is VERY dangerous to use when you're getting pressured with block strings, because it has a slow start up. I'd say 99% of the time, you're not gonna get it off before they start their next string, because most people that are pressuring with block strings are usually using the fastest string their character has.

After 20+ hours of playing jade in ranked matches, I'm pretty confident in saying you should only use back+2 to continue combos, punish long recovery moves (there are better options for this though), or if you think they're gonna jump at you and they're too close for up+3 (but not if they're crossing you up).

Ex Glow is her best option if it's a character with a really fast string. If you have no meter though, it really depends on the match-up (for example, down+3 pokes work wonders against Cage when he's pressuring).
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In my opinion, B2 is jade's fastest attack that she has, besides the low poke. It has very low charge up time, contrary to what you said, and is probably the fastest option she has. Also, her overhead pole smash is probably better for hitting someone off a long block stun.
 
FatalityRay90 said:
kitana should NOT use cutting fan while in a block string. it has NO invincibility and can be knocked out off with mst attacks, especially a low attack. hell...its not that good of a wake up attack, let alone block string reversal. id say use uprise( b b2+block). it has invincibility, starts up INSTANTLY and sets up her godly juggles.

as for jade, b2 tho? hell no. waaaayyy to slow. your better of using shadow kick, mainly the ex version because it has armor and is safe on block. the ex shadow glow is good too.
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There are no non EX specials in this game that have invincibility. The cutting fan is Kitana's most powerful AND fastest option out of a block string.
 
Time Smashers said:
There are no non EX specials in this game that have invincibility. The cutting fan is Kitana's most powerful AND fastest option out of a block string.
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ur wrong. I main kitana. everyone in here knows that. ur soo wrong. almost every move in the game that isn't an ex has invincibility on wakeup. For example, a REGULAR NON EX shoulder charge with nightwolf on wakeup goes through projectiles, therefore, it has invincibility. so ur non ex invincibility theory is wrong. and cutting fan is NOT kitanas fastest and powerful option. cutting fan can be stuffed while uprise can only be hit out of by low attacks. therefore, uprise is kitanas fastest and most powerful defensive option. it starts up faster than cutting fan and is more powerful than cutting fan since it sets up combos. so...u theory fails...again...
 
Time Smashers said:
In my opinion, B2 is jade's fastest attack that she has, besides the low poke. It has very low charge up time, contrary to what you said, and is probably the fastest option she has. Also, her overhead pole smash is probably better for hitting someone off a long block stun.
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b2 as jade's fastest move? u CLEARLY do NOT play with jade. b2 is SLOW and can ne punished by very fast attacks or specials. her 4 is much faster and links into all her specials. 1 2 is faster and links into her specials. LMAO at u saying b2 is her fastest move...hhahaha
 
I've played with and against Jade enough to know that the B2 has about the same speed, if not more, as 4 or 1,2. And it sets up bigger combos. Also, this thread is not for wakeup attacks, it's for breaking out of strings, therefore, none of your moves are gonna be armored unless EX'd. Upraise has a slow startup, and is very easy to see coming. Cutting fan is hard to notice, and starts up quicker.
 
Also to add for cyrax the only way to punish people constantly attacking your block reliably is 3,3. Then you can follow up with the down back 3 and throw, or if your fast enough then 3,3 straight into net or ex bomb. If you go straight into down back 3 can still be beaten by quite a few moves.
 
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Time Smashers said:
I've played with and against Jade enough to know that the B2 has about the same speed, if not more, as 4 or 1,2. And it sets up bigger combos. Also, this thread is not for wakeup attacks, it's for breaking out of strings, therefore, none of your moves are gonna be armored unless EX'd. Upraise has a slow startup, and is very easy to see coming. Cutting fan is hard to notice, and starts up quicker.
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dude...wtF r u talkin about? I use jade AND KITANA probably WAAAAYYYYY more than you do. and B2 does NOT start as fast and 4 and DEFINITELY not as fast as 1 2. get your facts together. and uprise starts up INSTANTLY. cutting fan doesn't. uprise leads to massive combos. cutting fan doesn't. uprise has a lot of priority over a lot of moves. cutting fan doesn't. uprise has a lot of range. cuting fan doesn't. cutting fan can be stuffed. uprise doesn't. surely u get my point...
 
FatalityRay90 said:
dude...wtF r u talkin about? I use jade AND KITANA probably WAAAAYYYYY more than you do. and B2 does NOT start as fast and 4 and DEFINITELY not as fast as 1 2. get your facts together. and uprise starts up INSTANTLY. cutting fan doesn't. uprise leads to massive combos. cutting fan doesn't. uprise has a lot of priority over a lot of moves. cutting fan doesn't. uprise has a lot of range. cuting fan doesn't. cutting fan can be stuffed. uprise doesn't. surely u get my point...
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You know Ray, when someone calls you out, you don't always have to be so hostile...

@Time, Jade's B2 definitely is not a good option up close. It may be relatively useful if the opponent knocked you back a good distance on block, but otherwise, any remotely good player would either be able to hit you out, or block and punish. And honestly, you can't have an opinion on whether something is faster than something. It is cold hard facts that B2 is nowhere near her 12 OR 4.

@Ray, cutting fan leaves them unable to use wakeup attacks and is safe (correct me if I am wrong, but does it have advantage?) and upraise doesn't do either. You are trying to pass off upraise as this god attack... Not to mention upraise has to eat a meter to be instant, but it is still punishable if the opponent blocks it. And off of upraise, you need to use at least 1 or 2 EXTRA meters to do decent 35+... And you are giving cutting fan a lot of discredit that it doesn't deserve, it is a great move...
 
BrokenJanders said:
You know Ray, when someone calls you out, you don't always have to be so hostile...

@Time, Jade's B2 definitely is not a good option up close. It may be relatively useful if the opponent knocked you back a good distance on block, but otherwise, any remotely good player would either be able to hit you out, or block and punish. And honestly, you can't have an opinion on whether something is faster than something. It is cold hard facts that B2 is nowhere near her 12 OR 4.

@Ray, cutting fan leaves them unable to use wakeup attacks and is safe (correct me if I am wrong, but does it have advantage?) and upraise doesn't do either. You are trying to pass off upraise as this god attack... Not to mention upraise has to eat a meter to be instant, but it is still punishable if the opponent blocks it. And off of upraise, you need to use at least 1 or 2 EXTRA meters to do decent 35+... And you are giving cutting fan a lot of discredit that it doesn't deserve, it is a great move...
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lol...I just like to debate. its nothing serious. that's just how I am, a fiesty hostile person. and cutting fan is a good attack, don't get me wrong. but he was sayin that cutting fan is her MOST powerful and fastest technique to use on the defense whike being pressure when it isn't. yes, uprise needs a bar, but so what? id rather waste a bar to use a move that has a lot of priority over attacks and leads to juggles than use a move that is EASILY stuffed.
 
Time Smashers said:
In my opinion, B2 is jade's fastest attack that she has, besides the low poke. It has very low charge up time, contrary to what you said, and is probably the fastest option she has. Also, her overhead pole smash is probably better for hitting someone off a long block stun.
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Please, anyone learning Jade, don't listen to this.

B2 is not safe to try to counter block strings with. There's no argument here. Go play against someone using Kung Lao, Raiden, Smoke, Lui Kang, Kitana, Johnny Cage or any other relatively fast character, and try to use B2 at the end of one of their strings before they start the next one, and you'll see you're gonna eat their next combo EVERY time. It doesn't work, no matter what your opinion is.

I wouldn't recommend trying to hit someone with Overhead Staff off of a long block stun either. It's easy to see coming, and all they have to do is jump over you, and you're eating a combo.

In reality, Jade doesn't really have much outside of Ex Glow and low pokes at her disposal off of fast block strings...especially against the people who throw out a string, and then cross-over jump into another string, because it makes it almost impossible to get Ex Glow out because of the cross-over. It's part of what hurts her as a character, and something they need to patch.
 
To be fair there are times where you have an opportunity to back dash out of specific string pressures, and if they planned on continuing pressure their first hit will whiff and eat a B2.

you guys are right about the speed not being fast enough to just drop block and throw it out. But I suppose my example is more or less of using BACK DASH to avoid pressure, not B2. I'm just using B2 as a means to counter once BAck dash gets me out.
 
You should add Ice Clone to Sub-Zero, why? because even when the clone doesn't work, you get away of the pressure.
 
Fox17 said:
You should add Ice Clone to Sub-Zero, why? because even when the clone doesn't work, you get away of the pressure.
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Man I swear sometimes though if they call it out, They can just start dashing in then they are already on you again lol. It's happened to me a few times where I used it just to get out but they kept coming in at me knowing the ice clone wouldn't register I guess.

I think if the opponent knows the distance well enough they can still stay on you. But ur right that's still an option because if THEY DO start doing that and calling it out, they leave themselves open to your attacks just to be able to dash chase you.

definitely an option to keep under your belt.
 
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